Tampa City Council - meeting transcription detail (2024)

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JUNE 20, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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9:01:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:01:39AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
9:01:41AM ORDER.
9:01:41AM AT THIS TIME, WE'LL STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED
9:01:45AM BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:01:46AM [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
9:02:06AM THANK YOU FOR THE MOMENT OF SILENCE.
9:02:08AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:02:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:02:21AM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:02:26AM >> CARLSON?
9:02:27AM HURTAK?
9:02:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:02:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
9:02:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
9:02:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:02:37AM >> MIRANDA?
9:02:38AM MANISCALCO?

9:02:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:02:41AM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:02:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:02:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:02:43AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 6, 2024
9:02:46AM AND THE EVENING SESSION OF JUNE 13, 2024.
9:02:49AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:02:51AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:02:52AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:02:53AM AYE.
9:02:54AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY SHELBY.
9:03:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:03:01AM GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
9:03:04AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:03:07AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED A REASONABLE
9:03:10AM OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS THIS MORNING TO ADDRESS
9:03:13AM ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR OFF THE AGENDA BEFORE THE CITY
9:03:16AM COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON AN ITEM.
9:03:19AM CITY COUNCIL HAS AMENDED AND RESTATED ITS RULES OF PROCEDURE
9:03:25AM AND THERE ARE SOME CHANGES WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT
9:03:27AM WHICH YOU PROBABLY SAW THIS MORNING WHEN YOU CAME IN.
9:03:30AM I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT IT, THE
9:03:33AM REST OF THE PUBLIC WATCHING ON HOME OR REPLAY WILL BE ABLE
9:03:35AM TO KNOW ABOUT THIS.
9:03:37AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S

9:03:41AM THE PART OF THE MEETING ON REGULAR AGENDAS SUCH AS TODAY,
9:03:45AM WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ON AGENDA OR
9:03:48AM OFF-AGENDA ITEMS, YOU CAN FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACE
9:03:52AM IT IN THE BOX THAT'S OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
9:03:54AM ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
9:03:56AM AND YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT YOUR NAME AND ALSO TO CHECK YES IF
9:04:02AM IT IS ON AGENDA OR OFF AGENDA.
9:04:04AM THE CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
9:04:07AM COMMENT.
9:04:07AM SO, FOR INSTANCE, THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME IN NOW STILL HAVE AN
9:04:10AM OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THEIR NAME IN THE BOX FOR GENERAL PUBLIC
9:04:16AM COMMENT.
9:04:17AM IF YOU DO NOT SUBMIT A CARD BEFORE GENERAL COMMENT, YOUR
9:04:21AM NAME WILL NOT BE CALLED AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
9:04:23AM TO SPEAK.
9:04:24AM NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED, SO IF IT IS
9:04:29AM NOT LEGIBLE, PLEASE, IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, PLEASE SEE CITY
9:04:32AM STAFF.
9:04:33AM THE THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES, BUT IF YOU'RE HERE TO
9:04:37AM SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC
9:04:40AM HEARING ON THE AGENDA, YOU DO NOT NEED A SPEAKER CARD.
9:04:43AM YOU JUST FILL IN THE SIGN-IN SHEET WHICH IS FOR PUBLIC
9:04:46AM HEARINGS ONLY, JUST AS YOU NORMALLY USED TO DO FOR
9:04:49AM EVERYTHING.
9:04:49AM SO, THAT BEING SAID, SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE

9:04:52AM ALSO REMINDED THAT THEY ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE
9:04:56AM BEHAVIOR INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR
9:04:58AM MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING
9:05:03AM SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
9:05:04AM SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO REFRAINING FROM MAKING PERSONAL
9:05:07AM ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF
9:05:10AM THE PUBLIC.
9:05:10AM THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING
9:05:13AM RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE
9:05:16AM THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
9:05:18AM NOW, WITH REGARD TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, EACH PERSON
9:05:23AM SUBMITTING CARDS WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME AND APPROACHED
9:05:27AM TO SPEAK.
9:05:28AM MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN, WHEN YOU CALL OUT THE NEXT
9:05:30AM SPEAKER, IF YOU COULD CALL OUT THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO
9:05:33AM FOLLOWS.
9:05:33AM THAT WAY IT'S ALMOST BEING ON DECK FOR THE NEXT SPEAKER AND
9:05:38AM THAT'S HOW IT WILL PROGRESS.
9:05:40AM PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH COUNCIL RULES MAY BE RULED
9:05:43AM OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
9:05:45AM REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
9:05:48AM MEETING.
9:05:48AM AGAIN, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM SET FOR A PUBLIC
9:05:51AM HEARING, THE SIGN-IN SHEET IS OUTSIDE, AND YOU WILL HAVE THE
9:05:54AM OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE ITEM IS HEARD LATER IN THE AGENDA.

9:05:56AM NO PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN DURING STAFF REPORTS.
9:06:00AM THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS AND ITEMS ON THE CONSENT
9:06:02AM AGENDA WILL BE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:06:06AM FINALLY, PLEASE, CITY COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD REFRAIN FROM
9:06:09AM ENGAGING A SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:06:11AM PLEASE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BE AWARE THAT THE CITY
9:06:14AM COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH YOU
9:06:16AM DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:06:18AM THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
9:06:21AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:06:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:06:23AM ALL RIGHT.
9:06:24AM AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE HOUSEKEEPING.
9:06:26AM WE'LL GO OVER THE AGENDA.
9:06:27AM THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM.
9:06:30AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAD REQUESTED TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER
9:06:34AM 3, IS THAT CORRECT?
9:06:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
9:06:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS IT TO CONTINUE TO A FUTURE DATE?
9:06:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR, IF I MAY, TO AUGUST 22 OF 2024.
9:06:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEM 3 TO AUGUST 22 UNDER
9:06:47AM CEREMONIAL.
9:06:48AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA WITH THE MOTION, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
9:06:50AM MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:06:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?

9:06:51AM AYE.
9:06:52AM ALL RIGHT.
9:06:52AM ITEM NUMBER 1, NO STAFF WILL BE PRESENT.
9:06:55AM CAN WE GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
9:06:59AM ALL RIGHT.
9:07:00AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:07:00AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WITH A MOTION.
9:07:02AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:07:05AM WE RECEIVED A MEMO THAT THIS WILL BE COMING UP IN AUGUST, IS
9:07:08AM THAT CORRECT?
9:07:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT
9:07:11AM IT.
9:07:12AM DO IT NOW OR WAIT?
9:07:13AM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK JASON AND HIS BROTHER FOR WORKING
9:07:18AM CLOSELY WITH STAFF.
9:07:20AM UNFORTUNATELY, ALIS IS LEAVING.
9:07:22AM ALIS HAS BEEN MANAGING THIS AND LEADING THIS.
9:07:24AM IT LOOKS LIKE AGREEMENT IS IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW FOR THE
9:07:30AM HISTORY CENTER AND USF TO ACTUALLY HELP US RENOVATE THIS
9:07:35AM BUILDING.
9:07:35AM SO LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING AN UPDATE.
9:07:37AM I KNOW MORRIS IS WORKING ON THE AGREEMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD
9:07:41AM TO SEEING THOSE WHEN THEY COME BACK.
9:07:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:07:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

9:07:44AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THAT AND A SECOND.
9:07:47AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:47AM AYE.
9:07:48AM ALL RIGHT.
9:07:49AM ITEM NUMBER 69 WILL NOT BE HEARD.
9:07:51AM IT WAS MISNOTICED.
9:07:53AM SO IF WE CAN GET A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA.
9:07:56AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WITH THE MOTION.
9:07:57AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:07:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:00AM AYE.
9:08:00AM AND THEN ITEM 74 WILL NOT BE HEARD.
9:08:04AM IT WAS ALSO A MISNOTICE.
9:08:05AM CAN WE GET A MOTION TO REMOVE?
9:08:07AM ALL RIGHT.
9:08:08AM ITEM -- MOTION TO REMOVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN,
9:08:11AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:08:13AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:13AM AYE.
9:08:14AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:14AM IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
9:08:16AM YES, MA'AM.
9:08:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING
9:08:23AM BACK FOR RECONSIDERATION THE SHOTSPOTTER PROGRAM THAT WAS
9:08:27AM PRESENTED TO US LAST WEEK.

9:08:29AM HOPEFULLY I CAN GET A SECOND SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
9:08:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
9:08:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT IT TO BE TIME CERTAIN AT 11:30
9:08:38AM BECAUSE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SOMETHING TO DO LATER ON
9:08:41AM IN THE DAY AND THEY MAY MISS THE STAFF.
9:08:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
9:08:45AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON --
9:08:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: OUR PROTOCOL IS WE DISCUSS NEW BUSINESS TO
9:08:51AM BRING SOMETHING BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY AND SCHEDULE IT
9:08:53AM FOR A NOTICED MEETING SO THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW ABOUT IT.
9:08:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, IF WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT'S NOT ON
9:08:58AM THE AGENDA, IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO THE NEXT AGENDA.
9:09:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WOULD BE JULY 18.
9:09:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:09:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WAS A SECOND TO THE MOTION BY
9:09:05AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:09:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO WHEN WE MAKE A MOTION, RECONSIDERATION,
9:09:12AM IT CAN STILL BE PRESENTED, CORRECT?
9:09:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO ENTERTAIN A
9:09:18AM MOTION TO RECONSIDER IT DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA,
9:09:21AM IT MAY BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA TODAY SO LONG AS PUBLIC
9:09:26AM COMMENT, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC HAS THE ABILITY TO
9:09:29AM SPEAK.
9:09:30AM THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS IT CANNOT BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA.
9:09:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THAT MEANS THAT I COULD BRING BACK

9:09:38AM SOMETHING AND HAVE US SPEND $30 MILLION ON SOMETHING?
9:09:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IF YOU GET A SECOND AND DISCUSSION AND
9:09:44AM VOTE FOR IT.
9:09:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT SEEMS REALLY LIKE NOT LETTING THE PUBLIC
9:09:52AM KNOW ABOUT THIS.
9:09:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND COUNCIL
9:09:56AM MEMBER VIERA.
9:09:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST THE END OF MY STATEMENT FROM A MINUTE
9:09:59AM AGO IS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT'S ON THE
9:10:03AM AGENDA.
9:10:03AM I OBJECT TO THINGS PUT ON THE AGENDA LAST, WHETHER FOR THEM
9:10:07AM OR AGAINST THEM AND THE LAST SECOND.
9:10:09AM THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SCHEDULED ITEM.
9:10:11AM THIS IS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT.
9:10:13AM OF COURSE, I VOTED AGAINST IT.
9:10:14AM IF COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON IS CHANGING HER VOTE, PROBABLY
9:10:18AM HAVE THE VOTES FOR IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE PUBLIC
9:10:21AM DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO WEIGH IN AND KNOW THE DISCUSSION IS
9:10:26AM COMING.
9:10:27AM -- [NO MICROPHONE]
9:10:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:10:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:10:33AM BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE CAN ASK MR. SHELBY TO LOOK AND SEE
9:10:36AM IF THERE ARE ANY LEGAL ISSUES WITH THIS AT ALL, UNLESS YOU
9:10:39AM CAN SAY RIGHT NOW.

9:10:40AM IF WE VOTE ON IT TODAY, ARE THERE ANY LEGAL ISSUES THAT
9:10:43AM WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM DOING SO OR IF YOU NEED MORE TIME FOR
9:10:47AM THAT TODAY?
9:10:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS OF NOW, I SEE NONE.
9:10:51AM LET ME READ THE RULE.
9:10:53AM THIS IS FOR A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A CONTRACT, IF I RECALL
9:10:56AM CORRECTLY.
9:10:57AM SO, YES.
9:11:02AM ORIGINALLY IT WAS ON THE CONSENT DOCKET OR WAS IT A STAFF
9:11:05AM REPORT?
9:11:05AM IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE CONSENT DOCKET.
9:11:09AM RULE 4E, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ACTION OF COUNCIL SHALL
9:11:13AM BE MADE ONLY BY A MEMBER WHO PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON THE
9:11:15AM PREVAILING SIDE AND SHALL BE MADE AT THE SAME MEETING OR THE
9:11:19AM FIRST SUBSEQUENT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH IS TODAY, A SECOND
9:11:22AM TO THE MOTION MAY BE MADE BY ANY MEMBER.
9:11:26AM THIS IS A TWO-PART PROCESS.
9:11:27AM YOU CAN DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA DETERMINE WHETHER
9:11:31AM YOU WANT TO ADD IT TO AN AGENDA, EITHER TODAY AT 11:30 AS
9:11:35AM PART OF YOUR MOTION, WHICH IS PART OF YOUR MOTION NOW OR FOR
9:11:39AM ANOTHER DAY IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, BUT
9:11:45AM PASSING THAT MOTION TO RECONSIDER DOES NOT PASS THE ITEM.
9:11:51AM SHOTSPOTTER CONTRACT.
9:11:52AM IT ACTUALLY PLACES IT BACK ON THE AGENDA IN THE SAME POSTURE
9:11:55AM IT ORIGINALLY WAS, AND THEN YOU GET TO TAKE IT UP DURING

9:11:59AM YOUR AGENDA, WHETHER IT IS THIS AGENDA OR A FUTURE AGENDA,
9:12:02AM BUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW IS TO DO IT FOR A TIME
9:12:05AM CERTAIN TODAY AT 11:30.
9:12:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCIL
9:12:08AM MEMBER HURTAK.
9:12:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SAY, IT WAS SAID, IF IT IS
9:12:13AM SECOND THAT SHE HAS FOUR VOTES, NEVER TALK TO HER ABOUT IT
9:12:17AM AND I SECONDED IT.
9:12:18AM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
9:12:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:12:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS,
9:12:25AM THE FACT THAT WE CAN JUST PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND
9:12:29AM PASS IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNCONSCIONABLE BECAUSE I COULD BRING
9:12:35AM BACK ANYTHING.
9:12:36AM AND IF I HAD FOUR VOTES TO SPEND $10 MILLION ON -- I DON'T
9:12:42AM KNOW, PUTTING A WHIRLY GIG ON TOP OF CITY HALL, I COULD DO
9:12:47AM THAT.
9:12:47AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:12:50AM QUICKLY THIS RULING APPLIES TO ITEMS, LEGISLATIVE ITEMS THAT
9:12:53AM YOU ALL REJECTED.
9:12:55AM THE IMMEDIATE PRIOR AGENDA, DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING.
9:13:00AM IT'S ALREADY BEEN ON THE AGENDA --
9:13:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MASSEY, THOUGH, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
9:13:04AM THE ISSUE IS, IF I BRING SOMETHING BACK THAT WE DENIED, WE
9:13:09AM ARE NOT ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD ON THAT.

9:13:15AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YOU ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT
9:13:18AM BEFORE THE ITEM IS CONSIDERED.
9:13:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
9:13:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE PUBLIC DIDN'T KNOW TO COME TODAY.
9:13:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PUBLIC HAD NO IDEA, IF THEY COULDN'T BE
9:13:28AM HERE, THEY MISSED THE 24-HOUR NOTICE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK
9:13:33AM REMOTELY.
9:13:37AM SO THIS WAS NOT KNOWN.
9:13:39AM >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PUBLIC HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
9:13:42AM ON JUNE 6 WHEN IT WAS PROPERLY ON CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA AND
9:13:46AM CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERED IT.
9:13:47AM THIS IS A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION UNDER THE NEW RULES
9:13:50AM THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT A TIME FRAME AS
9:13:56AM TO WHEN TO BE RECONSIDERED.
9:13:58AM SO THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
9:14:00AM IT'S BEING BROUGHT UP NOW SO THAT THERE IS STILL PUBLIC
9:14:02AM COMMENT TO BE HEARD TODAY, ANYONE THAT IS PRESENT AND/OR
9:14:06AM WATCHING HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.
9:14:08AM SO IT WAS PROPERLY ON YOUR-ALL'S AGENDA ON JUNE 6.
9:14:12AM AND ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAD THE PROPER NOTICE AND PLENTY OF
9:14:15AM TIME TO COME AND MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS.
9:14:17AM THIS IS TO RECONSIDER, SO COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED THIS.
9:14:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.
9:14:24AM MY QUESTION THEN, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, COUNCILWOMAN
9:14:26AM HENDERSON YOU VOTED AGAINST THIS TWO WEEKS AGO.

9:14:29AM WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND AGAIN TO SADDLE TAXPAYERS WITH THIS
9:14:32AM EXPENSE?
9:14:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION WE CAN HAVE
9:14:35AM UNDER DISCUSSION WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO --
9:14:38AM >> I CALL THE QUESTION.
9:14:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
9:14:42AM AND A SECOND.
9:14:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE'S NO SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
9:14:48AM >> YES, THERE IS.
9:14:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
9:14:50AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:14:52AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:14:54AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:14:55AM AYE.
9:14:55AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:14:57AM >> NAY.
9:14:58AM >> NAY.
9:14:58AM >> NAY.
9:14:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:15:00AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED CARLSON, HURTAK AND MANISCALCO
9:15:04AM VOTING NO.
9:15:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION PASSED ON 4-3 VOTE TO CALL THE
9:15:12AM QUESTION.
9:15:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS THE ACTUAL VOTE.
9:15:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, ONE THING CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A NEW

9:15:18AM RULE.
9:15:18AM THIS IS AN OLD RULE.
9:15:19AM AND WHAT IT SAYS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, TWO POINTS I WOULD LIKE
9:15:22AM TO MAKE, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ACTION OF COUNCIL, AS I
9:15:25AM READ BEFORE, IT SHALL BE MADE ONLY AT THE SAME MEETING, SO
9:15:30AM EVEN IF WHAT HAPPENS IS, IF IT'S VOTED AND YOU WANT TO
9:15:34AM RECONSIDER IT AND YOU WERE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE, EVEN
9:15:38AM AFTER THE PUBLIC LEAVES THE ROOM, YOU CAN VOTE TO RECONSIDER
9:15:41AM IT UNDER NEW BUSINESS OR WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE FLOOR TO BE
9:15:43AM ABLE TO DO THAT, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS IN ORDER.
9:15:45AM THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THAT IS THAT THE CASE
9:15:52AM LAW, IF YOUR RULES DO NOT PRECLUDE IT, THE CASE LAW GIVES
9:15:57AM GREAT LATITUDE TO A CITY COUNCIL CONTROLLING ITS AGENDA WITH
9:16:01AM REGARD TO NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD ON THE
9:16:03AM LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
9:16:07AM IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO BRING UP AN ITEM PERHAPS UNDER NEW
9:16:11AM BUSINESS, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.
9:16:12AM A MOTION TO RECONSIDER CERTAINLY CAN BE DONE AT THE SAME
9:16:15AM MEETING, COULD BE DONE AT THIS MEETING.
9:16:15AM IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT IS -- IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHAT IS
9:16:20AM BEING RAISED IS A VALID REASON TO EITHER SUPPORT OR NOT
9:16:24AM SUPPORT THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
9:16:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAIR ENOUGH.
9:16:29AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, SECOND FROM
9:16:31AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

9:16:31AM PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION FOR THE 11:30.
9:16:36AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, TO BRING BACK THE SHOTSPOTTER PROGRAM
9:16:42AM DISCUSSION AND VOTE FOR 11:30 -- TIME CERTAIN AT 11:30, ONLY
9:16:50AM BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SOMETHING TO DO AND THEY
9:16:53AM MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE DURING STAFF REPORTS.
9:16:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, SECOND FROM
9:16:56AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:16:57AM CALL THE QUESTION. YOU'VE CALLED THE QUESTION.
9:17:03AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:17:05AM LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:17:07AM THIS IS TO BRING IT BACK FOR 11:30.
9:17:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
9:17:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
9:17:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
9:17:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
9:17:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
9:17:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
9:17:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
9:17:21AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK, CARLSON AND
9:17:23AM MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
9:17:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET -- WE'LL GO THROUGH STAFF
9:17:27AM REPORTS REAL QUICK.
9:17:28AM IS THERE AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, CHIEF BENNETT?
9:17:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT JUST FOR THE
9:17:34AM PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC AT HOME KNOWING WHAT JUST HAPPENED.

9:17:37AM WHAT PASSED WAS A MOTION TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA FOR
9:17:40AM CONSIDERATION AT 11:30 TIME CERTAIN.
9:17:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
9:17:43AM CHIEF BENNETT.
9:17:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
9:17:47AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
9:17:49AM YES, ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
9:17:50AM JC HUDGISON FROM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT WILL
9:17:54AM SPEND A FEW MINUTES EXPLAINING TO THE PUBLIC THE BENEFITS OF
9:17:58AM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS AND HOW THEY ARE WORKING WELL
9:18:01AM TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
9:18:02AM IT WILL BE A FIVE-MINUTE PRESENTATION.
9:18:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:18:04AM ALL RIGHT.
9:18:05AM ITEM NUMBER 78 AND 80 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
9:18:09AM 79 WILL BE ALONE.
9:18:10AM BUT VIK -- MR. BHIDE AND MR. ROGERO WILL BE PRESENT.
9:18:15AM SO WE HAVE 78, 79 AND 80.
9:18:17AM THEY WILL BE PRESENT.
9:18:18AM WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE HERE.
9:18:20AM ITEM NUMBER 81, WE HAVE A -- CHIEF TRIPP.
9:18:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION TO CONTINUE -- I'D LIKE TO MAKE A
9:18:31AM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE REPORT BUT ALSO CONTINUE THIS
9:18:34AM ITEM TO 2025.
9:18:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU CAN MAKE A LATER MOTION FOR THAT.

9:18:42AM WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE THIS.
9:18:43AM IF YOU WANT TO BRING UP A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION
9:18:46AM JUST SO IT'S CLEAR.
9:18:48AM IT DOESN'T MAKE IT GO AWAY --
9:18:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY
9:18:52AM 6, 2025?
9:18:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAIR ENOUGH.
9:18:55AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR 81.
9:18:57AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:18:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:19:00AM AYE.
9:19:00AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:19:01AM ITEM NUMBER 82 WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT.
9:19:05AM DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT?
9:19:07AM ANYBODY?
9:19:10AM NO.
9:19:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THIS WAS ABOUT NOISE.
9:19:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT STAFF PRESENT?
9:19:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: STAFF TOLD ME THAT NOISE IS ACTUALLY THROUGH
9:19:24AM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
9:19:25AM SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS DOING ABOUT
9:19:29AM NOISE.
9:19:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF -- SOMEBODY PRESENT
9:19:32AM TO DISCUSS 82?
9:19:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW THAT TODAY IS THE DAY FOR THAT.

9:19:36AM I'LL PROBABLY BRING IT UP IN NEW BUSINESS.
9:19:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:19:39AM WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM NUMBER 82.
9:19:41AM MOTION?
9:19:41AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:19:43AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:19:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:19:44AM AYE.
9:19:45AM AND THEN UNDER NEW BUSINESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
9:19:47AM ITEM NUMBER 83, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO
9:19:51AM AUGUST 1st.
9:19:52AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:19:54AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:19:55AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:19:55AM AYE.
9:19:56AM ITEM NUMBER 84, THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERBAL REPORT, SO WE
9:20:02AM WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOMEONE FOR 84 HERE.
9:20:04AM ITEM NUMBER 85 IS A VERBAL REPORT AS WELL, SO WE'LL HAVE
9:20:09AM SOMEBODY HERE.
9:20:10AM ITEM NUMBER 86, THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
9:20:13AM DO WE NEED ANYBODY HERE?
9:20:14AM NO.
9:20:15AM MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE 86.
9:20:17AM IS THERE A SECOND?
9:20:18AM SECOND FROM -- PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE.

9:20:23AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WITH THE SECOND.
9:20:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:20:26AM AYE.
9:20:26AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:20:29AM ITEM NUMBER 87 IS A VERBAL REPORT SO SOMEBODY WILL BE HERE.
9:20:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY FOR THAT, I MEAN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT
9:20:36AM BE.
9:20:36AM I'M TRYING TO SPEAK TO SOME STAFF ABOUT 87 BEFORE JUST TO
9:20:41AM SAVE COUNCIL'S TIME.
9:20:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL HOLD IT TILL LUNCH.
9:20:46AM I'LL PUT PENDING.
9:20:47AM ITEM NUMBER 88, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO
9:20:51AM SEPTEMBER 19.
9:20:52AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:20:53AM IS THERE A SECOND?
9:20:54AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:20:55AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:20:56AM AYE.
9:20:56AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:20:57AM ITEM NUMBER 89, MOTION TO CONTINUE TO JULY 18.
9:21:01AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA TO CONTINUE.
9:21:04AM IS THERE A SECOND?
9:21:04AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:21:06AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:21:06AM AYE.

9:21:07AM ITEM NUMBER 90, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO JULY
9:21:11AM 18.
9:21:12AM IS THERE A MOTION?
9:21:13AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
9:21:15AM MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:21:16AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:21:16AM I SAID JULY 18, 2024.
9:21:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T HAVE ROOM ON THAT AGENDA.
9:21:23AM WE DO NOT HAVE ROOM ON THAT AGENDA.
9:21:26AM ALREADY 18 ITEMS AND THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION.
9:21:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I GUESS MY POINT IS, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE
9:21:32AM ALSO MADE A MOTION IN AUGUST TO, AND I SUSPECT THAT WHAT'S
9:21:35AM GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHEN THE STAFF REQUESTS A DATE, THEY MAY
9:21:39AM NEED TO CLEAR THAT ON THEIR AGENDA, ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA
9:21:43AM AS WELL.
9:21:44AM I COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OFF-LINE WITH THE CHIEF OF
9:21:46AM STAFF.
9:21:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT AUGUST 22?
9:21:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, LET'S MOVE TO AUGUST 22.
9:22:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE TO CONTINUE 90 TO AUGUST 22.
9:22:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 90 IS GOING TO BE AUGUST 22.
9:22:08AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:22:10AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:22:11AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:22:12AM AYE.

9:22:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD GO BACK TO ITEM 89, MR.
9:22:16AM CHAIRMAN.
9:22:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IT IS A TIME SENSITIVE ITEM.
9:22:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, IT IS A TIME-SENSITIVE ITEM.
9:22:22AM ALSO, IT WAS SET TO JULY 18.
9:22:24AM I SUSPECT -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE
9:22:26AM MAKING APPOINTMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT
9:22:29AM COMMITTEE.
9:22:31AM AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT, AND WE HAVE A NEW PLACE ON YOUR AGENDA
9:22:34AM FOR THAT CALLED BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION APPOINTMENTS.
9:22:37AM PERHAPS IT'S BEST THAT THAT BE PLACED UNDER THAT PARTICULAR
9:22:40AM PLACE SO THAT THOSE -- IS IT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO ALLOW THE
9:22:43AM PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO COUNCIL AND
9:22:47AM ADDRESS YOU OR YOU WANT TO JUST RELY ON THE WRITTEN
9:22:49AM APPLICATIONS?
9:22:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
9:22:54AM TURN ON YOUR MIKE.
9:22:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING -- WE
9:23:00AM ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND ADDRESS FOR INTERVIEWS.
9:23:02AM ANY POSITIONS WE FILL WITHOUT INTERVIEWS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
9:23:06AM TO COME IN.
9:23:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T COME IN.
9:23:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ALWAYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
9:23:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THE
9:23:13AM OPPORTUNITY.

9:23:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THIS IS SOMETHING -- THIS IS A CASE OF
9:23:18AM FIRST IMPRESSION.
9:23:18AM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS IS APPEARING ON YOUR AGENDA, SO
9:23:21AM YOU WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER YOU DO.
9:23:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK FOR CONSISTENCY WE SHOULD HAVE AN
9:23:25AM OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME IN.
9:23:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:23:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
9:23:29AM MAYOR COMING AND MAKING A PRESENTATION FOR THE BUDGET ON
9:23:31AM JULY 18.
9:23:32AM AND COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK IS RIGHT.
9:23:34AM I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
9:23:36AM BUT IF I MAY ASK NOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW WHEN IT'S COMING
9:23:39AM AND THE PUBLIC IS HERE, THEY CAN LISTEN TO IT ALSO.
9:23:41AM I MOVE TO HAVE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR 2025
9:23:46AM BUDGET ON JULY 18, 2024, FOR THE FIRST APPLICATION --
9:23:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
9:23:52AM MIRANDA.
9:23:52AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:23:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:23:54AM AYE.
9:23:56AM MR. SHELBY.
9:23:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO CONFIRM, MR. MIRANDA, THAT'S
9:23:59AM GOING TO BE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA?
9:24:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT FIRST ITEM, IF I

9:24:04AM MAY, THAT WAY WE CAN GET THE ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE
9:24:06AM STAFF BACK TO WORK.
9:24:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE OFFICER OF THE
9:24:09AM MONTH AND THE OTHER COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.
9:24:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:24:12AM THANKS.
9:24:13AM ITEM 91, WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT FOR SAID AGENDA.
9:24:17AM 91 AND 92 SHOULD BE RECEIVED AND FILED.
9:24:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
9:24:22AM STAFF IS AWARE FOR 92 -- SORRY, CHAIR.
9:24:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 91, DO WE NEED SOMEONE
9:24:28AM PRESENT OR IS THE COUNCIL FINE WITH THE WRITTEN REPORT?
9:24:34AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 91.
9:24:37AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:24:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:24:39AM AYE.
9:24:39AM FOR 92, YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF PRESENT?
9:24:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
9:24:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 92 WE WOULD LIKE SOMEONE PRESENT.
9:24:45AM ITEM NUMBER 93, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO --
9:24:50AM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
9:24:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: -- JULY 18.
9:24:52AM AGAIN, THIS IS A FULL COUNCIL.
9:24:54AM IS THERE A REQUEST TO MAYBE PUSH THAT TO AUGUST 1st?
9:24:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.

9:24:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
9:25:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THESE WERE SPECIFICALLY, ITEMS 91 AND 92
9:25:04AM AND 93 WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED TO BE WRITTEN STAFF
9:25:08AM REPORTS.
9:25:08AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEADING ON YOUR AGENDA, UNDER YOUR RULES
9:25:13AM MOVING FORWARD -- AND IT COULD BEGIN TODAY AS IT WAS SET
9:25:15AM FORTH ON YOUR AGENDA -- WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS ARE TO BE
9:25:18AM RECEIVED AND FILED WITHOUT DISCUSSION.
9:25:19AM AGAIN, ITEMS 91 THROUGH 93.
9:25:22AM JUST SO YOU KNOW IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU DESIGNATE SOMETHING
9:25:25AM WRITTEN, IT WILL APPEAR SEPARATELY ON THE AGENDA.
9:25:27AM IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY, AFTER READING THE MEMO, COME
9:25:29AM BACK TO SPEAK, THEN YOU HAVE TO PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA
9:25:32AM TO GIVE STAFF NOTICE, AN OPPORTUNITY PREPARE FOR THE
9:25:35AM DISCUSSION.
9:25:35AM IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT IT, PLEASE TALK WITH ME
9:25:39AM AFTERWARDS.
9:25:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I KNOW THAT THERE IS PUBLIC HERE TO TALK
9:25:42AM ON THIS ITEM.
9:25:44AM ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS FIELD SO THERE PROBABLY ARE A FEW
9:25:48AM PEOPLE THAT WANT TO CHIME IN ON THAT FOR US TO HEAR ABOUT
9:25:50AM IT.
9:25:51AM REALLY MY INTENTION WAS FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THE ACTUAL
9:25:56AM FACTS RATHER THAN IT BEING IN A MEMO, SAY IT PUBLICLY SO
9:26:00AM THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON IT AND THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR

9:26:04AM IT.
9:26:04AM I DID ASK FOR STAFF REPORT AND THAT IS A NEOPHYTE MISTAKE.
9:26:09AM THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
9:26:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I SUGGEST FOLLOWING THE RULES
9:26:14AM THAT HE JUST SAID, I THINK THAT COUNCILPERSON HENDERSON
9:26:18AM SHOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THAT STAFF COME.
9:26:21AM IF THEY CAN'T, THEN THEY CAN TELL US.
9:26:24AM TO FOLLOW PROTOCOL, IT IS A NEW REQUEST AND I DON'T MIND
9:26:27AM SECONDING THAT.
9:26:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION THAT STAFF BE PRESENT FOR ITEM
9:26:30AM NUMBER 92.
9:26:30AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, I MOVE THAT STAFF BE PRESENT FOR ITEM
9:26:33AM NUMBER 92.
9:26:34AM THANK YOU.
9:26:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON,
9:26:38AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:26:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER.
9:26:40AM IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW RULES, I THINK THE MOTION
9:26:43AM SHOULD BE TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THIS FROM WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS
9:26:46AM BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
9:26:47AM WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS TO
9:26:51AM STAFF REPORTS SO THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE RULES.
9:26:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:26:54AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND THAT THEY COME IN PERSON.
9:26:57AM WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

9:26:58AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:26:58AM AYE.
9:26:59AM AND THEN CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO IN PERSON?
9:27:02AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:27:04AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:27:06AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:27:06AM AYE.
9:27:07AM ALL RIGHT.
9:27:08AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:27:08AM THEN ITEM 93, WE DID CONTINUE -- IS JULY 18 GOOD, COUNCIL
9:27:13AM MEMBER VIERA?
9:27:14AM OR AUGUST 1?
9:27:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: --
9:27:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: SEPTEMBER 5 IS WIDE OPEN, TOO.
9:27:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE A TIME CERTAIN?
9:27:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
9:27:24AM EITHER EARLY AUGUST, LATE JULY.
9:27:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO AUGUST 5.
9:27:28AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 93 TO AUGUST 5.
9:27:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:27:32AM >> MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:27:33AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:27:35AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:27:35AM AYE.
9:27:36AM LET ME MAKE SURE THAT IS EVERYTHING.

9:27:40AM WE'LL BE BREAKING FOR LUNCH AT NOON AND COMING BACK AT 1:30.
9:27:45AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM?
9:27:48AM MOTION FROM CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM VIERA.
9:27:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:27:50AM I'M SORRY.
9:27:52AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON WITH THE SECOND.
9:27:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:27:54AM AYE.
9:27:56AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, ITEM NUMBER 2.
9:28:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:28:10AM I ASK FOR EVERYBODY FROM ULTIMATE MEDICAL ACADEMY TO COME ON
9:28:14AM UP.
9:28:14AM I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE.
9:28:16AM IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE TO BE HERE, SIR, WITH OUR FRIENDS FROM
9:28:28AM ULTIMATE MEDICAL ACADEMY TO CELEBRATE THEIR 30th
9:28:31AM ANNIVERSARY.
9:28:31AM WE HAVE HERE A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE.
9:28:34AM I'M NOT GOING TO NAME EVERYBODY BY NAME, BUT WE HAVE MR. TOM
9:28:37AM RAMETTA, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF ULTIMATE MEDICAL ACADEMY,
9:28:40AM THAT AGAIN IS CELEBRATING 30 YEARS.
9:28:42AM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES
9:28:45AM HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA AND IN THE
9:28:47AM TAMPA BAY AREA.
9:28:48AM WE ARE A GROWING STATE, AS YOU'VE KNOWN IN THE NEWS --
9:28:52AM [ENCODER DISCONNECT]

9:29:01AM -- THEY ARE A NONPROFIT ACCREDITED HIGHER EDUCATION
9:29:19AM INSTITUTION WITH THE MISSION OF EQUIPPING AND EMPOWERING
9:29:23AM LEARNERS TO EXCEL IN HEALTH CARE CAREERS.
9:29:25AM THIS YEAR IN 2024, THIS TAMPA BAY AREA INSTITUTION
9:29:29AM CELEBRATES 30 YEARS OF GIVING BACK TO THE PUBLIC BY
9:29:32AM PRODUCING EMTs, NURSES AND OTHER HEALTH CARE NURSES HERE
9:29:35AM IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
9:29:36AM THEY HAVE SERVED MORE THAN 18,000 STUDENTS HERE IN THE TAMPA
9:29:40AM BAY AREA, AND IN TAMPA BAY ALONE, THEY HAVE PREPARED 13,000
9:29:46AM HEALTH CARE GRADUATES DURING ITS THREE DECADES OF OPERATIONS
9:29:49AM AND THEY ARE SERVING IN ALL OF OUR LOCAL MEDICAL
9:29:51AM INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, BAY CARE,
9:29:54AM BAYFRONT HEALTH AND THE CRISIS CENTER OF TAMPA BAY.
9:29:59AM THESE ARE INSTITUTIONS THAT DO SO MUCH TO GIVE BACK, BUT,
9:30:03AM AGAIN, WE NEED INSTITUTIONS LIKE ULTIMATE MEDICAL ACADEMY TO
9:30:06AM BE ABLE TO PREPARE OUR WORKFORCE.
9:30:09AM OBVIOUSLY, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
9:30:11AM ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:30:14AM ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL CITY FOR 30 YEARS OF HARD WORK, IT
9:30:17AM IS MY GREAT PLEASURE AND OUR GREAT PLEASURE AS TAMPA CITY
9:30:19AM COUNCIL TO GIVE ULTIMATE MEDICAL ACADEMY THIS TAMPA CITY
9:30:23AM COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:30:24AM HERE YOU GO, SIR.
9:30:25AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:30:31AM >> THANK YOU.

9:30:32AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY
9:30:35AM COUNCIL.
9:30:35AM ME AND ALL OF MY TEAM MEMBERS, A THOUSAND LIVING IN THE
9:30:40AM COMMUNITY, AS YOU SEE, MANY OF THEM HERE TODAY, ARE
9:30:43AM ABSOLUTELY HONORED FOR THIS RECOGNITION.
9:30:45AM AND WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR MISSION TO EQUIP AND EMPOWER
9:30:49AM OUR STUDENTS TO EXCEL IN HEALTH CARE CAREERS.
9:30:52AM THE HEALTH CARE TALENT DEFICIT IS A GROWING CRISIS.
9:30:59AM NOT ENOUGH ENTERING THE PROFESSION AND NOT ENOUGH STAYING IN
9:31:01AM THE PROFESSION.
9:31:02AM THERE IS A DEEP TALENT SHORTAGE IN THE ALLIED HEALTH CARE
9:31:04AM FIELDS.
9:31:05AM THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL ROLES THAT FILL PRESCRIPTIONS THAT
9:31:09AM PREPARE YOUR MEDICATIONS, THAT TAKE YOUR VITAL SIGNS.
9:31:11AM WHEN YOU CALL FOR AN AMBULANCE, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT
9:31:14AM COME AND THESE ARE THE ROLES THAT UMA SPECIALIZES IN.
9:31:18AM PROUD TO PARTNER WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE TAMPA GENERAL AND
9:31:21AM CRISIS CENTER OF TAMPA BAY.
9:31:22AM WE HAVE MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HERE TODAY TO DEVELOP PROGRAMS
9:31:25AM THAT MEET THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH CARE TALENT NEEDS.
9:31:28AM LAST YEAR, TO OUR -- THROUGH OUR WORK WITH THE CRISIS
9:31:31AM CENTER, WE PUT 50 NEW EMTs ON THE ROAD IN TAMPA.
9:31:35AM SOME OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY.
9:31:37AM RAISE YOUR HANDS.
9:31:37AM [ APPLAUSE ]

9:31:38AM I'M PLEASED TO SAY WE'RE ON PACE TO PUT ANOTHER 100 EMTs
9:31:46AM IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY THIS YEAR.
9:31:48AM AND THROUGH OTHER PARTNERSHIPS, WE ARE PREPARING FOR NURSING
9:31:51AM ASSISTANTS, X-RAY TECHS, MEDICAL ASSISTANTS AND MORE TO
9:31:55AM PROVIDE CARE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
9:31:56AM AND OUR STUDENTS, MOST OF THEM ARE ADULT LEARNERS AND MANY
9:32:01AM ARE PURSUING THEIR HEALTH CARE CAREERS WHILE THEY ARE
9:32:03AM WORKING FULL-TIME, MANAGING FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES AND
9:32:06AM JUGGLING ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF AN ADULT LIFE.
9:32:09AM SO AT UMA, IN ADDITION TO OFFERING HEALTH CARE TRAINING, WE
9:32:13AM PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SUPPORT TO GIVE THESE UNIQUE LEARNERS A
9:32:16AM CHANCE TO SUCCEED.
9:32:17AM WE ARE EXCITED TO BE CELEBRATING 30 YEARS AS AN INSTITUTION
9:32:21AM IN THIS COMMUNITY.
9:32:22AM AND WE BELIEVE THAT OUR IMPACT HAS JUST BEGUN.
9:32:25AM SO THANK YOU.
9:32:26AM WE APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION AND SUPPORT.
9:32:28AM THANK YOU.
9:32:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:32:29AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:29AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:32:35AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:32:37AM WE'LL WAIT A MOMENT.
9:32:48AM NEXT UP, WE HAVE THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
9:33:03AM THEY ARE HERE TO DO A TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.

9:33:06AM I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS THAT SERVE ON THIS BOARD.
9:33:10AM IT IS A VOLUNTEER BOARD, BUT THEY WORK VERY, VERY HARD, AND
9:33:13AM THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB.
9:33:14AM DR. NEWMAN, WILL YOU BE LEADING THE GROUP TODAY?
9:33:19AM >> YES, AND ANDY SCAGLIONE WILL BE JOINING ME WITH COMMENTS
9:33:23AM AS WELL.
9:33:23AM IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY, CITY COUNCIL.
9:33:27AM I'M CRAIG NEWMAN.
9:33:29AM I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
9:33:32AM ANDY SCAGLIONE IS MY CO-CHAIR.
9:33:34AM OR VICE-CHAIR.
9:33:37AM BEFORE I GET INTO THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD'S
9:33:43AM RECOMMENDATIONS, I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK THE BOARD
9:33:48AM MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
9:33:50AM THEY WORK HARD.
9:33:51AM THEY ARE DEDICATED, ENGAGED TO THEIR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS
9:33:55AM THE CITY.
9:33:55AM I APPRECIATE THE COMMITMENT TO THE CITY GIVING OF THEIR TIME
9:34:02AM TO HELP MAKE THIS CITY AND THEIR COMMUNITY ALL IT CAN BE.
9:34:06AM I THINK THAT SOME OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WORK ON THESE
9:34:10AM DIFFERENT THINGS, BETWEEN THIS, THE DIFFERENT VARIANCE
9:34:14AM REVIEW BOARDS, DIFFERENT BOARDS, ARE SOMETIMES -- IT'S
9:34:20AM FORGOTTEN THAT THESE ARE VOLUNTEER JOBS.
9:34:22AM WE SPEND BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF AND THREE HOURS WORKING
9:34:26AM MONTHLY AND NOW EVERY MONTH OF THE YEAR TO MAKE THIS A

9:34:30AM BETTER CITY AND SPEND WISELY.
9:34:35AM I WANT TO RECOMMEND OR SAY I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THEY DO
9:34:41AM AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DO AS WELL.
9:34:42AM I ALSO WANT TO THANK, SINCE I'M UP HERE, THANK MIKE PERRY,
9:34:48AM MARTY SHELBY, JUSTIN VASKE.
9:34:55AM OUR NEW PERSON, HAGAR KOPESKY, THE BUDGET ANALYST.
9:35:02AM SHE'S ONLY BEEN WITH US A VERY SHORT TIME AND MADE AN IMPACT
9:35:07AM HELPING US PUT THE BUDGET INFORMATION TOGETHER.
9:35:13AM I CAN'T FORGET CORENCIA.
9:35:17AM WITHOUT CORENCIA, THINGS WOULDN'T GO AS SMOOTHLY AS THEY GO.
9:35:21AM ALL RIGHT.
9:35:22AM MOVING ON.
9:35:23AM CITIZEN BUDGET COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF JONATHAN BRILL, SANDY
9:35:27AM SANCHEZ, STEPHANIE POYNOR, MEREDITH FREEMAN, JOE FARRELL, OF
9:35:32AM COURSE, ANDY SCAGLIONE AND MYSELF.
9:35:35AM WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.
9:35:43AM WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS.
9:35:44AM AND DURING THE DEPARTMENT -- DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE
9:35:50AM INFORMATION, JOHN?
9:35:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD,
9:35:59AM THEY'LL ACTIVATE IT AND WE'LL ALL SEE IT.
9:36:02AM >> MONTHLY MEETINGS, MEET WITH HEADS AND ADMINISTRATORS OF
9:36:04AM THE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
9:36:06AM I CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST OF EVERYBODY WE HAVE ON THIS
9:36:11AM SHEET.

9:36:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRING UP THE PRESENTATION.
9:36:17AM THERE IS A PowerPoint.
9:36:18AM GIVE IT A MOMENT.
9:36:22AM IT WILL COME UP.
9:36:25AM >> I THINK WE ARE ON MET MONTHLY WITH DEPARTMENT
9:36:28AM ADMINISTRATORS.
9:36:29AM THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD PAGE.
9:36:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SUBMITTED A PowerPoint, CORRECT?
9:36:38AM >> YES.
9:36:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF T AND I CAN BRING IT UP.
9:36:41AM THEY ARE WORKING ON IT.
9:36:47AM >> I'LL JUST READ IT OFF FOR RIGHT NOW.
9:36:50AM MEET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
9:36:53AM MOBILITY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, SOLID
9:36:56AM WASTE, WATER, AND WATER WASTE.
9:36:59AM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, HOUSING AND LAND USE,
9:37:04AM NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT, PARKS AND RECREATION AND
9:37:06AM PURCHASING.
9:37:06AM AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS BUT WERE NOT INCLUDED.
9:37:10AM GOING TO THE NEXT PAGE, PRIORITIES FOR 2024.
9:37:15AM WE HAVE MOBILITY, TRANSPORTATION, PARKS AND RECREATION,
9:37:21AM PUBLIC SAFETY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ATTAINABLE HOUSING, RATES
9:37:25AM AND FEES AND MISCELLANEOUS.
9:37:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD?
9:37:32AM IT SEEMS THERE IS A LAG WITH THE PowerPoint.

9:37:35AM THERE WE GO.
9:37:37AM THEY'LL BRING THAT UP ON THE MAIN SCREEN.
9:37:39AM THERE WE GO.
9:37:40AM >> SHOULD HAVE DID THAT BEFORE.
9:37:41AM BUT THOSE -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE PRIORITIES, THESE ARE
9:37:46AM VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS THE
9:37:50AM MOST IMPORTANT THING WE COULD DO IS CONTINUE AND GET BETWEEN
9:37:55AM MOBILITY, PARKS, RECREATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY, AFFORDABLE
9:37:58AM HOUSING RATES AND FEE STUDIES, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO
9:38:02AM BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US TO MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL, BUT WE DID
9:38:06AM NOT COMPLETE THE JOB AND I'M SURE IT WON'T GET COMPLETED
9:38:10AM NEXT YEAR.
9:38:11AM IT'S A BATTLE.
9:38:12AM THESE ARE THINGS WE RECOMMEND GOING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITIES
9:38:14AM AND WE THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL THAT YOU KNOW ARE WHAT WE ARE
9:38:18AM LOOKING AT.
9:38:19AM MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION.
9:38:31AM OUR TOP PRIORITY FOR THE CITY MUST BE TO PROTECT OUR
9:38:35AM PEDESTRIANS AND OUR CYCLISTS.
9:38:37AM THE BAY AREA RANKS THIS YEAR 8th WORST IN THE NATION.
9:38:43AM LAST YEAR WAS 4th WORST IN THE NATION.
9:38:47AM AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS NUMBER ONE IN THE NATION.
9:38:50AM AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE 8th IN THE NATION IS
9:38:54AM BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL OTHER METROPOLITAN AREAS THAT
9:38:57AM WERE WORSE THAN WE WERE.

9:38:59AM IT'S NOT LIKE WE SAVE MORE LIVES.
9:39:01AM BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE BAY AREA, WE JUST HAD OTHER
9:39:05AM CITIES HAVE LOST MORE LIVES.
9:39:07AM SO THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
9:39:08AM THAT'S GOT TO CHANGE.
9:39:10AM I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I NOTICED YESTERDAY IS I WAS ON CASS
9:39:14AM STREET.
9:39:15AM AND CASS STREET AND NEWPORT.
9:39:18AM AND THEY HAVE DIVIDERS IN THERE GOING EAST AND WEST, ONE
9:39:23AM LANE GOING WEST.
9:39:24AM ONE LANE GOING EAST.
9:39:25AM AND THEN YOU HAD A CURB HIGH ENOUGH IN THERE WITH MARKERS
9:39:31AM THAT THE CARS CAN'T GET OVER THAT AREA.
9:39:33AM THESE PEOPLE ARE PROTECTED.
9:39:35AM I WAS ON MY ELECTRIC BIKE.
9:39:38AM I DROVE IT AS FAR DOWN AS I COULD BECAUSE IT MADE IT SAFER.
9:39:43AM CASS IS NOT A VERY BUSY STREET, BUT THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF
9:39:49AM WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE CITY.
9:39:51AM STREETCAR AND WEST RIVER WALK ARE A HIGH PRIORITY ON OUR
9:39:55AM LIST.
9:39:55AM EXPANDING THE STREETCAR WILL COST ABOUT $185 MILLION.
9:39:59AM THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS $67 MILLION GRANT TO SUPPORT THIS
9:40:06AM EFFORT WHICH WILL EXPIRE IN 2025.
9:40:08AM SO WE'VE GOT TO EITHER USE IT OR LOSE IT.
9:40:12AM THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION THAT COMES FROM THE

9:40:14AM CRAs FOR THIS EXPANSION.
9:40:16AM THE WEST RIVER WALK IS AN ESTIMATED COST OF $57 MILLION.
9:40:23AM FORTUNATELY, THERE IS A FEDERAL GRANT TO GIVE US
9:40:26AM APPROXIMATELY $24 MILLION.
9:40:27AM I WOULD SAY FROM WHAT VIK HAS TOLD US, THAT THIS RIVERWALK
9:40:36AM AND THE EXPANSION OF THE STREETCARS WAS A GAME-CHANGER FOR
9:40:41AM THE CITY.
9:40:42AM HE'S PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND SO WERE WE.
9:40:46AM OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS IS THE
9:40:54AM TRANSPORTATION UNFUNDED NEEDS OR I COULD SAY INSTEAD OF
9:40:58AM UNFUNDED NEEDS, MAYBE UNDERFUNDED NEEDS.
9:41:02AM THE PAVING, $42 MILLION A YEAR NEEDED TO INCREASE AVERAGE
9:41:08AM CITYWIDE PCI.
9:41:10AM I WROTE DOWN WHAT PCI MEANS FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I HAD TO
9:41:14AM LOOK IT UP.
9:41:15AM I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANT.
9:41:16AM IT'S PAVING CONDITIONS INDEX, SATISFACTORY LEVEL.
9:41:23AM RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT AT A SATISFACTORY LEVEL.
9:41:27AM UTILIZING IN-HOUSE PAVING RESOURCES THIS WILL RESULT IN
9:41:29AM LOWER COSTS PER MILE, WHICH IS ACCREDITED BY DOING THAT,
9:41:33AM TAKING THAT STEP.
9:41:35AM SIDEWALKS.
9:41:36AM OUR CURRENT ANNUAL BUDGET PAYS LESS THAN HALF A MILE PER
9:41:43AM YEAR.
9:41:44AM 1300 MILES OF SIDEWALK GAPS ARE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

9:41:49AM THAT IS AT A COST OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ONE MILE.
9:41:52AM I HOPE I'M AROUND STILL WHEN THEY HAVE FINISHED DOING THE
9:41:57AM SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:41:58AM THAT'S HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING
9:42:02AM CURRENTLY.
9:42:02AM ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS PAVED TRAILS OVER SIDEWALKS IN
9:42:08AM HAD APPROPRIATE AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHICH MAY ACHIEVE
9:42:12AM A COST SAVINGS.
9:42:13AM OUR BRIDGES ARE IN DISREPAIR.
9:42:16AM $32 MILLION TO BRING THE CITY-OWNED BRIDGES TO A GOOD
9:42:21AM CONDITION.
9:42:22AM SEAWALLS, THE BERMUDA BOULEVARD SEAWALL IS $20 MILLION IT
9:42:30AM NEEDS IN MAINTENANCE WORK DONE.
9:42:31AM WE'RE BACKLOGGED ALREADY $3.6 MILLION.
9:42:34AM ADA IMPROVEMENTS CITYWIDE CURB RAMPS ARE NEEDED AND MOVE AT
9:42:43AM A FASTER SPACE.
9:42:45AM PARKS AND RECREATION, NEXT TOPIC.
9:42:52AM NEEDED FACILITY MAINTENANCE.
9:42:57AM ATHLETIC FIELDS, ADA IMPROVEMENTS, POOLS, SMALL PARKS,
9:43:01AM ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, FLEET -- GOOD, THANK YOU.
9:43:06AM THE VEHICLES FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
9:43:10AM THEY HAVE 124 VEHICLES THAT ARE OVER 15 YEARS OLD.
9:43:16AM THIS WAS ALSO A BIG PRIORITY LAST YEAR I BROUGHT TO
9:43:19AM ATTENTION THROUGH THE COMMITTEE.
9:43:21AM PRIORITIZE HOUSING -- SORRY -- PRIORITIZE HIRING OF MORE

9:43:26AM TEENAGERS TO HELP IN THE SUMMER AND AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS,
9:43:29AM COOPERATION WITH YOUTH PROGRAMS.
9:43:30AM PROVIDE -- ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION,
9:43:39AM PROVIDE AN AREA ON THE WEBSITE FOR DONATIONS SO PEOPLE, THEY
9:43:43AM ARE SIGNING UP THEIR CHILD AND THEY SAY, LOOK, I WANT TO
9:43:46AM HAVE A CHILD DONATE MONEY, IT'S ONLY $80 FOR THE SUMMER,
9:43:50AM DONATE MONEY TO PUT ANOTHER CHILD OUT THERE OR SOMEONE WHO
9:43:53AM CAN WELL AFFORD TO DO THAT.
9:43:55AM YOU MAY EVEN GET CORPORATIONS GET INVOLVED IN IT.
9:43:58AM BUT IF YOU HAVE IT ON THERE, THEY MAY USE IT.
9:44:01AM DON'T HAVE IT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT.
9:44:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE, SIR?
9:44:09AM >> I WOULD HAVE ABOUT FIVE MORE, SIX MORE.
9:44:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:14AM GO AHEAD.
9:44:14AM >> DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK FASTER?
9:44:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:44:18AM >> YOU-ALL HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED FOR
9:44:21AM YOU.
9:44:21AM SOME OF THIS INFORMATION YOU'VE HAD, YOU'VE SEEN IT WHEN THE
9:44:25AM DEPARTMENTS COME IN FRONT OF YOU.
9:44:26AM I'LL MOVE QUICKLY ON THIS.
9:44:28AM PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE DEPARTMENT RESCUE, FIREFIGHTERS RESCUE,
9:44:34AM NEEDS APPROXIMATELY 30 FIREFIGHTERS.
9:44:36AM 54 FIGHTERS WHO ARE IN THE DROP PROGRAM.

9:44:41AM FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD, THEY ARE CONSTANTLY INTERVIEWING FOR
9:44:44AM MORE STAFF.
9:44:45AM E.M.S. --
9:44:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ADD THAT TO THE --
9:44:48AM >> I'M SORRY.
9:44:49AM THERE IS MY LITTLE CHEAT SHEET I PUT ON THERE.
9:45:00AM ALL RIGHT.
9:45:00AM THEY ARE CONSTANTLY INTERVIEWING FOR MORE STAFF.
9:45:05AM E.M.S. CALLS ARE 85% OF THE CALLS THAT COME IN THROUGH THE
9:45:10AM FIRE RESCUE.
9:45:11AM THEY HAVE ORDERED 17 NEW RESCUE CARS LAST YEAR AND 5
9:45:17AM ENGINES, BUT THERE IS A BACKLOG ON THE ENGINES, AND THEY ARE
9:45:20AM QUITE COSTLY AND THERE IS A LOT OF CUSTOMIZATION.
9:45:25AM CHIEF TRIPP WISHED TO HAVE ON THESE VEHICLES.
9:45:27AM WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A STRONG CPI PROGRAM.
9:45:34AM FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, I HAD TO LOOK ALL THIS STUFF UP
9:45:37AM BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE TO ME.
9:45:39AM CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION.
9:45:40AM BASICALLY WE'RE ENCOURAGING IMPLEMENTATION OF A COMPONENT OF
9:45:43AM AN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN AND ACTION STEPS, THUS
9:45:47AM IMPROVING OUR RESPONSE TIME.
9:45:49AM WE ALSO NEED TO UPDATE TECHNOLOGY AND SUPPORT FOR IMPROVED
9:45:54AM SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS.
9:45:57AM AMONG TPD, THEY ARE ALSO HIRING MORE OFFICERS.
9:46:02AM LAST YEAR, THEY DID 30 NEW OFFICERS AND PROJECTED THEY HIRE

9:46:06AM ANOTHER 30 OFFICERS THIS YEAR.
9:46:08AM AGAIN, 50 OFFICERS IN THE DROP PROGRAM.
9:46:12AM THEY NEED CELLULAR PHONES, PLATE READERS, CAMERAS, IN
9:46:18AM CRITICAL NEED AREAS.
9:46:19AM VEHICLE MODERNIZATION AND LARGER MENTAL HEALTH TEAM TO
9:46:24AM ACCOMPANY TPD WITH NONUNIFORM ENFORCEMENT TEAMS.
9:46:30AM WHEN IT COMES TO CITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M GOING TO HAVE
9:46:35AM ANDY SCAGLIONE SPEAK.
9:46:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:46:41AM WE WANT TO BE LASER FOCUSED ON THE NINE CRAs THAT MANDATE
9:46:47AM 30% OF THE REVENUES TO GO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS
9:46:52AM APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $20 MILLION PER YEAR, WHICH IS
9:46:55AM REOCCURRING.
9:46:57AM IN ADDITION TO THE RESTRICTED BALANCES THAT WE HAVE IN THE
9:47:00AM ACCOUNT CURRENTLY THAT WE'RE NOT USING, THAT HAVE NOT GOT
9:47:03AM USED.
9:47:03AM THESE ARE COUPONS THAT ARE EXPIRING, AND THESE AREN'T PUBLIC
9:47:11AM COUPONS OF TWO DOLLARS.
9:47:12AM THESE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT
9:47:14AM IN NINE YEARS, MOST IF WE DON'T USE WILL BE GIVEN HALF BACK.
9:47:20AM WITH THE LOSS OF THREE -- WE FEEL THAT THE FUTURE BUDGET
9:47:29AM SHOULD NOT BE FUNDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH GENERAL
9:47:31AM REVENUE.
9:47:32AM AND WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED ON CRAs WHERE THE MONEY,
9:47:35AM AGAIN, THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO AWAY.

9:47:38AM THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE AGGRESSIVE TO COMPETE
9:47:41AM AGAINST THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
9:47:43AM THERE'S ONLY 4% LAND LEFT IN THE CITY, WE'RE USING
9:47:49AM APPRAISALS, USING COMPARABLES OF FOUR YEARS AGO.
9:47:58AM TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
9:47:59AM WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BUY A PIECE OF DIRT BY DOING THAT,
9:48:03AM OKAY?
9:48:03AM AS MR. CARLSON HAS SAID, UP IN AUSTIN, ONLY REGRET WAS THEY
9:48:08AM DIDN'T BUY THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF LAND WHEN THEY HAD THE
9:48:11AM OPPORTUNITY.
9:48:11AM AS MR. MIRANDA, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS SAID, YOU HAVE NO
9:48:15AM PLAN WITHOUT THE LAND.
9:48:16AM AND THAT IS SO TRUE BEING IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR 38
9:48:21AM YEARS.
9:48:21AM WE HAVE THE TA TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
9:48:27AM WE HAVE CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND WE HAVE THE STATE WHICH IS
9:48:29AM $711 MILLION PLUS THE VERY SUCCESSFUL 100 MILLION HOMETOWN
9:48:34AM HEROES, WHICH IS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM.
9:48:39AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT WE NEED
9:48:42AM TO -- WE CAN GO OUTSIDE THE CRAs.
9:48:45AM AGAIN, POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING, PUTTING $15 MILLION IN OUT
9:48:51AM OF GENERAL REVENUE IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE A $1.78 BILLION
9:48:56AM PROBLEM.
9:48:57AM WE'RE MISLEADING THE PUBLIC BY DOING THAT.
9:49:00AM LET'S UNDERPROMISE AND OVER-DELIVER WHEN IT COMES TO

9:49:04AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
9:49:04AM THANK YOU.
9:49:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:49:10AM >> ALL RIGHT.
9:49:10AM COMING AROUND THE BEND.
9:49:12AM FEES -- RATE FEES.
9:49:16AM WE WERE ASKED BY CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO THE FEES THAT WE
9:49:21AM HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.
9:49:22AM WE HAVE FOUND THAT MOST DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALREADY STARTED
9:49:30AM WITH A FEE STUDY OR HAVE COMPLETED THEIR FEE STUDY.
9:49:33AM BUT ALL DEPARTMENTS AGREE THEY CAN RAISE -- WHEN RAISING
9:49:38AM FEES INCREMENTAL AS OPPOSED TO ALL AT ONCE.
9:49:41AM I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES SO YOU WILL SEE THE
9:49:47AM IMPACT THIS HAS.
9:49:49AM WE HAVE THE BLC CASE ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION 2400-SQUARE-FOOT
9:49:56AM STRUCTURE ON AN EMPTY LOT.
9:49:58AM CUSTOMER COST, APPLICATION FEE, $275.
9:50:01AM COST OF SERVICE TO THE CITY, $1,524.
9:50:05AM LAST YEAR, 68 CASES LAST YEAR, TOTAL LOSS OF REVENUES WAS
9:50:10AM $84,000.
9:50:11AM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD CASE, CUSTOMER COST FOR APPLICATION
9:50:16AM FEE, $416.50.
9:50:19AM COST TO THE CITY, $1,172.
9:50:24AM 109 CASES LAST YEAR WITH ESTIMATED LOSS OF $80,000.
9:50:29AM NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT BUSINESS TAX HANDLING FEE.

9:50:33AM CUSTOMER COST, APPLICATION FEE WHOPPING $10.
9:50:36AM COST OF CITY SERVICE, $23.98.
9:50:43AM 34,000 CASES LAST YEAR WITH AN ESTIMATED LOSS OF $476,000.
9:50:52AM THAT'S THREE EXAMPLES.
9:50:55AM THREE EXAMPLES THAT'S GOING ON.
9:50:59AM WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS MAKING INCREMENTAL CHANGES,
9:51:03AM FIVE-YEAR BASIS, WHICH IS GOOD, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS
9:51:06AM AND CONTINUE THIS AND MAKE THESE CHANGES.
9:51:08AM SO -- WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO
9:51:13AM LOSE MONEY EITHER.
9:51:14AM NEXT AND LAST SLIDE.
9:51:19AM UNDER MISCELLANEOUS, WE NEED ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD
9:51:24AM ENHANCEMENT STAFF TO FOCUS ON THE COVERAGE IN OUR CITY IN
9:51:28AM THE EVENING.
9:51:30AM ALSO, SEE HERE ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2023, THE TREE TRUST FUND
9:51:36AM BALANCES.
9:51:39AM ALL THOSE BALANCES ADD UP TO $3.9 MILLION, MONEY JUST
9:51:46AM SITTING THERE FOR TREES.
9:51:48AM WE NEED TO FIND WAYS OF UTILIZING THAT MONEY.
9:51:51AM I'M NOT SURE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
9:51:54AM IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT, BUT I THINK JUST HAVING
9:51:58AM MONEY SITTING THERE DOING NOTHING AND TREES AREN'T GETTING
9:52:01AM PUT INTO THE GROUND, SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE.
9:52:05AM THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT.
9:52:09AM ANY QUESTIONS?

9:52:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:52:11AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:52:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
9:52:14AM ONE, I'M GLAD YOU HIGHLIGHTED THE NEED FOR THE ROAD
9:52:17AM INFRASTRUCTURE.
9:52:18AM AS YOU PROBABLY SAW IN PREVIOUS MEETING, I'VE REQUESTED
9:52:21AM TRIPLE THE BUDGET LAST YEAR FOR '24 AND NEXT YEAR LOOKING AT
9:52:25AM -- I'VE ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR TO INCLUDE 45
9:52:29AM MILLION.
9:52:29AM SO YOU GUYS IDENTIFIED A NEED OF 42.
9:52:32AM I'VE ASKED FOR 45 MILLION IN THE '25 BUDGET.
9:52:35AM HOPEFULLY THE MAYOR WILL COME THROUGH IN THAT BUDGET TO
9:52:37AM FULFILL THAT NEED.
9:52:39AM I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH.
9:52:41AM I'VE ASKED ABOUT OUR BRIDGES NUMEROUS TIMES, AND I'VE BEEN
9:52:45AM TOLD BY STAFF THAT ALL OF OUR BRIDGES ARE RATED AS IN GOOD
9:52:50AM CONDITION.
9:52:50AM WHAT DID YOU FIND?
9:52:51AM YOU HIGHLIGHTED IT.
9:52:54AM >> THIS IS WHEN WE HAD, I BELIEVE IT WAS VIK CAME TO SPEAK
9:52:59AM WITH US.
9:53:01AM IN HIS PRESENTATION HE PRESENTED.
9:53:02AM THESE ARE THE THINGS UNDERFUNDED AND WE'RE HAVING ISSUES
9:53:06AM WITH THIS.
9:53:06AM THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD WE NEED IS A BRIDGE TO FALL.

9:53:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, I'VE SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT THAT.
9:53:12AM I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH STAFF TO FIND OUT WHERE THE
9:53:15AM DISCREPANCY IS BETWEEN WHAT I'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN TOLD.
9:53:17AM MAYBE THEY HAVE BECOME AWARE OF SOMETHING SINCE THE BRIEFING
9:53:20AM I HAD GOTTEN.
9:53:21AM I SPECIFICALLY CALLED THAT OUT.
9:53:23AM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
9:53:25AM ONLY OTHER THING, GREAT REPORT, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO
9:53:27AM COMPREHENSIVE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ON THOSE FEES,
9:53:30AM IT'S NOT A LOSS OF REVENUE.
9:53:31AM IT'S A COST TO OUR TAXPAYERS.
9:53:33AM >> THAT'S TRUE.
9:53:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PERSON WHO OWNS HOMES IN THE SOUTH,
9:53:37AM ARE SUBSIDIZING THE COST OF PROVIDING THAT SERVICE FOR OTHER
9:53:40AM PEOPLE.
9:53:41AM SUBSIDIZING BUILDERS, SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE THAT ARE REQUESTING
9:53:44AM FROM THE CITY.
9:53:45AM I THINK THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE, RECOUPING THOSE
9:53:48AM FEES.
9:53:48AM AGAIN, NOT A LOSS OF REVENUE.
9:53:50AM IT'S A SUBSIDY THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING BECAUSE IT COSTS US
9:53:53AM MORE THAN THE SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING.
9:53:55AM >> THANK YOU.
9:53:56AM WELL PUT.
9:53:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

9:53:57AM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:53:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
9:54:01AM I WANTED TO THANK ALL OF YOU ALL FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT
9:54:03AM YOU DO.
9:54:04AM SHOUT-OUT TO MY APPOINTEE, JOE FARRELL WHO HAS BEEN ON THERE
9:54:10AM SEVEN YEARS AND ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB.
9:54:13AM JOE IS A GREAT GUY.
9:54:16AM GREAT JOB.
9:54:17AM ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT YOU MENTIONED
9:54:19AM IS GRANTS, FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, SOMETHING THAT IS --
9:54:22AM YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS THINK ABOUT EITHER BUDGET CUTS OR TAX
9:54:26AM INCREASES, BUT WE HAVE OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT WE SPEND THROUGH
9:54:29AM INCOME TAXES AND DIFFERENT TAXES ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
9:54:32AM I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GREAT FRIEND THROUGH THE CITY OF
9:54:37AM TAMPA, CONGRESS WOMAN KATHY CASTOR.
9:54:40AM NORTH SIDE OF TAMPA, LAUREL LEE.
9:54:43AM I KNOW WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK IN GETTING DOLLARS HERE TO
9:54:46AM TAMPA.
9:54:47AM I SAW THAT CONGRESS WOMAN CASTOR RECENTLY GOT FOR THE TAMPA
9:54:50AM POLICE DEPARTMENT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES
9:54:52AM FOR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
9:54:53AM OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT IS GREAT.
9:54:55AM OUR STATE PARTNERS AS WELL.
9:54:56AM NOW WITH STATE SENATOR COLLINS, STATE REPRESENTATIVE --
9:55:11AM BUT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ISSUE, CRAIG,

9:55:15AM YOU AND I HAD A GOOD LONG DISCUSSION ON THIS LAST WEEK IS
9:55:18AM OBVIOUSLY FIRE AND POLICE.
9:55:19AM YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CORE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE
9:55:22AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:55:25AM YOU KNOW, I -- WE HAVE PUSHING THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN
9:55:29AM TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR DEFICITS ARE IN THE CITY OF
9:55:32AM TAMPA FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE SO WE CAN HAVE A VERY FRANK
9:55:35AM DISCUSSION WITH TAXPAYERS ON WHAT IT IS THEY WANT IN TERMS
9:55:38AM OF SERVICES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO
9:55:42AM PAY FOR THOSE ULTIMATELY THROUGH TAX DOLLARS OR OTHERWISE.
9:55:45AM YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
9:55:48AM I LOOK AT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, AND WE HAVE, IN MY OPINION,
9:55:51AM DEFICITS ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:55:53AM NORTH TAMPA, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
9:55:55AM WEST TAMPA, GROWING WEST TAMPA, STATION 9 HOPEFULLY WE CAN
9:55:59AM GET THE FLEET MAINTENANCE OUT OF THERE.
9:56:01AM EXPAND STATION 9.
9:56:03AM DOWNTOWN, SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, ET CETERA.
9:56:05AM BIG DEFICITS ALL OVER TAMPA.
9:56:07AM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A CITY THAT OVER THE
9:56:10AM LAST FEW YEARS SPOKE VERY, VERY LOUD THAT WE WANT TO FUND
9:56:13AM THE POLICE.
9:56:14AM WE SUPPORT THE POLICE.
9:56:15AM WE SUPPORT OUR COPS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTS
9:56:17AM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE PROPER COVERAGE WHENEVER IT COMES

9:56:21AM TO POLICE OFFICERS.
9:56:23AM BUT, AGAIN, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES BUT WE HAVE TO TALK
9:56:25AM ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND THESE BASIC NEEDS.
9:56:28AM YOU HAVE REVENUE ISSUES.
9:56:30AM YOU TALKED ABOUT FEES.
9:56:31AM OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S PART OF THE SOLUTION.
9:56:32AM GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FEES KEEP UP.
9:56:34AM IMPACT FEES, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, I'M ALL FOR THOSE, BUT I
9:56:37AM DON'T WANT TO OVERSELL THEM.
9:56:39AM AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
9:56:40AM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT, I DON'T MEAN
9:56:42AM ANYBODY UP HERE.
9:56:43AM JUST IN GENERAL, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IMPACT FEES,
9:56:45AM AND THEY DON'T DO QUITE WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE
9:56:48AM GOING TO DO.
9:56:48AM AGAIN, I'M FOR THEM, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE.
9:56:50AM YOU KNOW, THE MILLAGE, OBVIOUSLY, LAST YEAR, I THINK THAT
9:56:53AM THE -- I WON'T GET INTO THAT.
9:56:55AM I THINK THE WELL HAS BEEN KIND OF POISONED THERE IN MY
9:56:58AM OPINION A LITTLE BIT WITH THE MILLAGE RIGHT NOW.
9:57:00AM AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.
9:57:01AM CRAs, TALKING ABOUT CAPPING DOWNTOWN CRA, WE HAD A VOTE ON
9:57:06AM THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
9:57:07AM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT
9:57:09AM IF IT WAS DONE RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE DOWNTOWN CRA NOT

9:57:13AM SPENDING TONS AND TONS OF MONEY AND THEN LOOKING AT CAPPING
9:57:16AM IT, WE COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM THAT.
9:57:17AM NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 2027 I THINK IT IS TO GET A
9:57:21AM BENEFIT FROM THAT.
9:57:21AM SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FRANK TALK WITH THE PUBLIC ON THESE
9:57:24AM REVENUE ISSUES.
9:57:25AM BUT I REALLY WANTED TO THANK ALL OF YOU ALL HERE.
9:57:28AM CRAIG, I SAW SANDY, OBVIOUSLY, ANDY, STEPHANIE, ANY OTHERS
9:57:34AM HERE FROM THE BOARD FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO BECAUSE WE PAY YOU
9:57:36AM GUYS ABOUT $30 AN HOUR.
9:57:38AM JOKING.
9:57:38AM WE DON'T PAY YOU ALL ANYTHING.
9:57:40AM BUT YOU ALL DO A GREAT JOB.
9:57:41AM THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
9:57:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, COUNCIL MEMBER
9:57:43AM MIRANDA, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:57:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU ON THE
9:57:47AM COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO.
9:57:49AM AND FOR THE THOROUGH ANALYSIS.
9:57:53AM JUST TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE SLIDES, YOU SAID TPD IS HIRING
9:58:00AM 30 NEW POSITIONS PLUS 50 PEOPLE ARE IN DROP.
9:58:04AM AND SOMEWHERE A NEW POSITION IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 100, 200
9:58:10AM THOUSAND A YEAR.
9:58:11AM WE NEED MORE TECH.
9:58:12AM WE NEED MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING AND THAT IS JUST A SUMMARY.

9:58:15AM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WE NEED 30 NEW POSITIONS PLUS WE HAVE 54
9:58:18AM PEOPLE IN DROP AND WE KNOW WE NEED TECHNOLOGY TERRIBLY.
9:58:21AM PAVING, YOU SAID WE NEED $42 MILLION A YEAR MINIMUM,
9:58:26AM MOBILITY TOLD US I THINK IN THE PAST WE NEED 2.1 BILLION
9:58:29AM TOTAL.
9:58:30AM I GET MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT PAVING THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
9:58:33AM THE SECOND MAY BE SIDEWALKS.
9:58:36AM ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PEDESTRIANS GET HIT IS WE DON'T HAVE
9:58:39AM SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE
9:58:41AM ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREETS THERE.
9:58:42AM AND YOU SAID WE NEED 1.3 BILLION.
9:58:45AM LAST I LOOKED, THINK SPENDING SIX OR EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND
9:58:50AM A YEAR.
9:58:51AM 20 MILLION FOR SEAWALLS, $32 MILLION FOR BRIDGES, AND THAT'S
9:58:54AM JUST MAYBE PER YEAR.
9:58:55AM WE KNOW FROM LAST YEAR THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT AN AD
9:58:58AM VALOREM TAX INCREASE.
9:59:00AM WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE US BONDING.
9:59:03AM I'M SCARED OF THE BONDING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO NOW.
9:59:06AM A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE CFO TOLD US WE'RE ABOUT 41% OF
9:59:10AM CAPACITY.
9:59:11AM SINCE THEN ADDED SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION IN BONDING.
9:59:14AM MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DO YOU ALL KNOW THE PERCENTAGE THAT
9:59:17AM WE'RE AT NOW?
9:59:17AM HAS ANYBODY TOLD YOU THAT?

9:59:19AM SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY UP AROUND 60, 70 PERCENT OF CAPACITY.
9:59:23AM IF THE CITY WAS ADVISING AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS BUYING A
9:59:25AM HOME, THEY WOULD TELL THEM NOT TO GO INTO THAT MUCH DEBT.
9:59:30AM NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT NEW TAXES AND DON'T
9:59:33AM WANT US TO BOND, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE TRADEOFFS.
9:59:35AM IF YOU ONLY HAVE MONEY FOR TPD, TFR, PAVING, SIDEWALKS,
9:59:40AM SEAWALLS, AND BRIDGES, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND $185 MILLION
9:59:45AM FOR A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE STREETCAR?
9:59:47AM AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND THE PROPOSAL THAT'S ON TODAY'S
9:59:50AM AGENDA, WHICH IS 57 OR SO MILLION FOR THE WEST RIVER WALK?
9:59:56AM THE 57 MILLION YOU HAVE TO MAKE NET OF 24 MILLION FROM THE
10:00:01AM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUT DOESN'T INCLUDE INTEREST WHICH TAKES
10:00:03AM IT UP CLOSE TO 90 MILLION OR SO.
10:00:05AM 80, 90 MILLION.
10:00:07AM HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE NOT FIXING THEIR
10:00:10AM ROADS, WE'RE NOT KEEPING THEM SAFE, WE'RE NOT KEEPING
10:00:13AM PEDESTRIANS SAFE BY BUILDING SIDEWALKS OR CROSSWALKS, BUT WE
10:00:16AM HAVE THE MONEY AND THIS IS NOT CRA MONEY.
10:00:18AM THIS IS GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE
10:00:22AM RIVERWALK THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE AND ALSO A SMALL SEGMENT OF
10:00:25AM THE STREETCAR THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
10:00:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:00:33AM I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS SPOKEN.
10:00:37AM YOU SIT BACK AND WATCH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS CITY.
10:00:40AM THIS CITY IS NOT BRAND-NEW.

10:00:43AM I MEAN, IT HAS SECTIONS THAT ARE NEWER THAN OTHERS.
10:00:46AM NO CITY, INCLUDING THIS ONE THAT I KNOW OF THAT'S DOING WELL
10:00:53AM DOESN'T HAVE MORE NEEDS THAN IT HAS MONEY.
10:00:55AM AND WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THAT AND START TO REALIZE THAT
10:01:01AM IT'S NOT EASY TO DO WHAT YOU DO, NOT EASY FOR THE PUBLIC
10:01:05AM PAYING TAXES AND NOT EASY IN ANY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF.
10:01:09AM YOU TRY TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU HAVE JUST LIKE
10:01:12AM ANY HOUSEHOLD.
10:01:15AM IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO UNDERSTAND THAT TAXES ARE THERE FOR
10:01:18AM A REASON, AND THE -- IS THERE FOR A REASON.
10:01:23AM DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE.
10:01:25AM YOU HAVE TO STOP GIVING THINGS AWAY.
10:01:30AM I'M NOT HERE.
10:01:31AM SOMEBODY CAN ASK FOR SOMETHING AND RECEIVE IT.
10:01:34AM GOD BLESS THEM.
10:01:35AM SO THEN YOU WANT TO CRITICIZE WHAT YOU GAVE AWAY.
10:01:37AM THE PUBLIC DIDN'T GIVE IT AWAY.
10:01:41AM ELECTED OFFICIALS GAVE IT AWAY.
10:01:43AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
10:01:45AM SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PRIORITIES AND YOU'VE DONE A
10:01:48AM PRETTY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT.
10:01:50AM WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT?
10:01:51AM HOWEVER, ALL THAT BEING SAID, HOW DID WE GET HERE TODAY?
10:01:56AM WAS IT BY THE GOVERNMENT WITHOUT THE CRAs.
10:01:59AM I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

10:02:00AM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CRA, THE PROGRESS YOU HAVE IN WEST
10:02:05AM TAMPA, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROGRESS IN DOWNTOWN, PROGRESS
10:02:09AM ON CHANNELSIDE, PROGRESS IN EAST TAMPA.
10:02:11AM ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT.
10:02:13AM THEY ARE GOOD FOR A REASON.
10:02:15AM BUT DURING THAT REASON, YOU HAVE TO HOLD BACK AND SUFFER.
10:02:19AM HOWEVER, NO ONE HAS TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT ONCE IT IS OUT AND
10:02:23AM FINISHED, YOU'LL HAVE A HIGHER BASE BECAUSE THE VALUE WILL
10:02:25AM BE BETTER AND ALL THE CRAs.
10:02:28AM MUCH BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, A MUCH BETTER PLACE TO PLAY, A
10:02:31AM NICER CLINIC, A CITY, A NICER ATMOSPHERE.
10:02:35AM EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE COPACETIC.
10:02:37AM REALLY NICE.
10:02:38AM AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS?
10:02:39AM ALL THAT UP OVER THE BASE GOES WHERE?
10:02:42AM INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
10:02:46AM I KNOW WHAT IT IS NOT TO HAVE MUCH.
10:02:51AM I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO HAVE MUCH MORE THAN I THOUGHT I COULD
10:02:54AM EVER HAVE.
10:02:56AM THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME
10:02:59AM BOAT, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, WHAT INCOME YOU HAVE, WHAT
10:03:02AM COLOR YOU ARE, WHAT RACE YOU ARE, ALL OF US ARE IN THE SAME
10:03:05AM BOAT.
10:03:06AM AND WHEN THAT BOAT STARTS TO SHAKE AND START GETTING HOLES
10:03:10AM IN IT, ALL OF US WILL SINK TOGETHER, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.

10:03:13AM YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AT
10:03:17AM THE TIME YOU'RE DOING IT.
10:03:18AM BONDING IS GOOD BUT ALSO TERRIBLE WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THE
10:03:21AM INTEREST.
10:03:21AM SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACTORS AND YOU HAVE A HARDSHIP, NOW
10:03:26AM WE'RE CHARGING AND YOUR BILL THAT COMES ONCE A MONTH FOR
10:03:30AM WHAT, FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM BECAUSE AS HARD AS IT IS AT $6
10:03:36AM EACH, YOU ARE ACTUALLY BUILDING SOMETHING OF $2.9 BILLION
10:03:41AM WITH 53% OF IT UP FRONT.
10:03:45AM IF YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, AND YOU BORROWED ALL THAT MONEY, YOU
10:03:48AM DON'T GET HALF THE PIPES PROGRAM BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF WAS
10:03:52AM INTEREST AND YOU NEVER HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND INTEREST ON.
10:03:55AM IT'S GOING TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
10:03:57AM WHAT I'M SAYING, JUST TRY TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN NO MATTER
10:04:01AM WHERE YOU ARE AT, WHETHER YOU ARE HERE IN GOVERNMENT OR SOME
10:04:04AM PUBLIC BUSINESS.
10:04:05AM AND TRY TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND
10:04:08AM THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LOT.
10:04:10AM NOW, IN MY OFFICE, I CAN'T CALL SOMEBODY THAT CALLS US AND
10:04:14AM SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO INDIVIDUALS DOING THIS AND
10:04:17AM THIS AND CALLS CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE BY LAW, I'VE GOT TO
10:04:21AM TELL THEM WHO CALLED US.
10:04:24AM YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY?
10:04:25AM I TAKE THE HEAT.
10:04:26AM THE OFFICE OF CHARLIE MIRANDA DID IT.

10:04:28AM SO THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
10:04:31AM WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
10:04:32AM WE'RE DOING WELL.
10:04:33AM JUST HOLD ON BECAUSE WHEN THE BUS GETS TO THE STATION, IT'S
10:04:37AM GOING TO BE FULL OF GOOD SURPRISES.
10:04:39AM THANK YOU.
10:04:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:04:43AM GOOD MORNING.
10:04:44AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE
10:04:45AM WORK THAT YOU DO.
10:04:47AM I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID UP HERE.
10:04:50AM I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU PUT THE INCREASE IN SUMMER YOUTH
10:04:55AM EMPLOYMENT ON THERE.
10:04:56AM THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND EVEN CONSIDERING PARTNERSHIPS.
10:05:00AM I JUST WAS IN A CONSIDERATION WITH SIMMONS, THE CEO OF THE
10:05:06AM TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP ABOUT THAT VERY THING.
10:05:07AM IN ORDER FOR US TO BUILD A STRONG WORKFORCE, WE NEED TO
10:05:10AM PROVIDE OUR YOUTH WITH OPPORTUNITIES AND EXPERIENCES SO THEY
10:05:13AM CAN SEE THAT AND THE CITY CANNOT BE THE SOUL PROVIDER OF
10:05:17AM SUMMER YOUTH EMPLOYMENT.
10:05:18AM WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
10:05:20AM WE CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREASE OF
10:05:22AM STUDENTS HAVING TO WORK TO EVEN HELP TO SUPPORT THEIR
10:05:25AM FAMILIES.
10:05:25AM SO PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES IS VERY IMPORTANT.

10:05:29AM ALSO EXPANDS OPPORTUNITY.
10:05:31AM IT GIVES THEM EXTRA SKILL SETS AND EXPERIENCE.
10:05:35AM ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT COMING OUT OF HIGH
10:05:37AM SCHOOL THEY HAVE TO HAVE WORKFORCE CREDIT EXPERIENCE.
10:05:41AM BEFORE GRADUATING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
10:05:45AM I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY THE COMMITTEE.
10:05:47AM ALSO, THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BONDS.
10:05:51AM AND I WANT TO CHIME IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
10:05:54AM WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF BONDING.
10:05:55AM BONDING IS NOT UNUSUAL IN CITY GOVERNMENT, JUST ACROSS THE
10:05:59AM NATION.
10:06:00AM WE BOND LESS THAN A LOT OF OTHER MAJOR METROPOLITAN CITIES
10:06:03AM OF THE SAME SIZE POPULATION.
10:06:04AM IT IS A PRIMARY SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR MANY PROJECTS THAT
10:06:07AM ALLOW THE CITY TO KEEP PACE WITH EXPANDING POPULATIONS AND
10:06:10AM REPLACING AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENT.
10:06:13AM AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW,
10:06:17AM WHEN IT CAME UP ABOUT FAIR OAKS.
10:06:19AM AND WHAT I WILL SAY, JUST FROM A SIMPLICITY STANDPOINT --
10:06:23AM AND I GOT THIS FROM MY HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, SHOUT-OUT TO MY
10:06:26AM MATHEMATICS TEACHER -- HE SAID THAT HIS SON, AFTER HE
10:06:29AM GRADUATED FROM FLORIDA STATE, HE SAID, DAD, I WANT TO GO
10:06:31AM BACK TO SCHOOL.
10:06:34AM I WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL.
10:06:36AM AND THE RESPONSE WAS THE SCHOLARSHIP FUND HAS ENDED.

10:06:41AM SO MY POINT IS, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOT TO PAY FOR THAT.
10:06:43AM SO IN BONDING, OUR KIDS AND THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF TAMPA
10:06:48AM HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SET IN PLACE
10:06:52AM TODAY.
10:06:52AM THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE
10:06:54AM AND WE DO NEED TO SHARE THAT CROSS DOWN THE GENERATIONAL
10:06:59AM SPAN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THE SAME
10:07:02AM FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURES. THAT IS JUST A TEACHABLE
10:07:05AM MOMENT AND I WANTED TO CHIME IN ON BONDS.
10:07:06AM ALSO, THERE IS NOT THIS HUGE OUTCRY WITH THE PUBLIC BEING
10:07:11AM AGAINST BONDING.
10:07:13AM THERE IS NOT A HUGE OUTCRY.
10:07:15AM I WILL REPEAT THAT, PLEASE DO NOT INTERRUPT ME WHEN I'M
10:07:18AM SPEAKING CHAIR.
10:07:19AM PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF COMMENTS -- THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE
10:07:21AM THAT.
10:07:21AM I THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:07:23AM NEVERTHELESS, IF THERE IS AN OUTCRY, YES, TWO SIDES TO EVERY
10:07:28AM SITUATION, BUT THERE IS NOT THIS MAJOR OUTCRY WHEN IT COMES
10:07:31AM TO BONDING.
10:07:33AM BONDING HELPS US MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD WITH NEW
10:07:35AM INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:07:36AM WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
10:07:38AM IF WE SHOULDER ALL OF THE BURDEN RIGHT NOW, WE WON'T BE ABLE
10:07:42AM TO ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS ACCOMPLISH.

10:07:44AM KEEP THE STAFF.
10:07:46AM BUDGET IS $2 BILLION AND WE DO USE IT.
10:07:48AM WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING NEW, THE FUNDING HAS TO COME FROM
10:07:52AM SOMEWHERE.
10:07:53AM AND IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING
10:07:56AM COMING UP TODAY THAT TALKS ABOUT BONDING, WE'RE GOING TO BE
10:07:58AM SHARING WITH YOU THAT WE'RE NOT BONDING AT ALL.
10:08:00AM WE'RE APPLYING FOR GRANTS.
10:08:02AM WE'RE GETTING HELP FROM OUR CONGRESS WOMAN TO SUPPORT
10:08:04AM BONDING TO AVOID LESS BONDING.
10:08:06AM IT'S NOT THE DO-ALL, END-ALL TO BOND EVERY SINGLE THING AND
10:08:11AM EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO TAKE
10:08:14AM INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAJOR PROJECTS COME BEFORE US.
10:08:17AM AND I WILL DO THAT WHEN I MAKE MY DECISIONS.
10:08:19AM THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR YOUR TIME.
10:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:08:22AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND --
10:08:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION
10:08:28AM AND FOR THE TIME YOU PUT INTO THIS.
10:08:30AM ALL I'M GOING TO ASK IS WHEN THE BUDGET IS PRESENTED ON JULY
10:08:34AM 18, THAT IF YOU OR ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF YOUR COMMITTEE HAVE
10:08:38AM ANYTHING, ANY THOUGHTS ON IT OR ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU
10:08:42AM WOULD LET US KNOW.
10:08:44AM THERE'S ONLY, I KNOW, DURING YOUR RESEARCH, YOU'RE LOOKING
10:08:48AM AT WHAT YOU KNOW OR WHAT YOU ARE BEING GIVEN FROM DIFFERENT

10:08:53AM DEPARTMENTS AND YOUR SUGGESTIONS FOR THE BUDGET.
10:08:55AM SOME OF THOSE MAY LINE UP WITH THE BUDGET AND SOME MAY NOT.
10:08:57AM I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT AREAS YOU WOULD LIKE TO TWEAK IF
10:09:02AM YOU WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY ONCE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE
10:09:04AM THE BUDGET.
10:09:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:09:06AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:09:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TWO THINGS.
10:09:08AM ONE, NOT SURPRISING.
10:09:11AM I GOT A MEMO FROM THE HEAD OF MOBILITY REFERENCE THE BRIDGES
10:09:16AM DISCUSSION.
10:09:16AM FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I
10:09:19AM UNDERSTAND FROM HEAD OF MOBILITY THAT ALL OF THE BRIDGES IN
10:09:22AM THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE CONSIDERED IN GOOD CONDITION.
10:09:25AM STRUCTURALLY, THEY ARE ALL SOUND, THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY
10:09:27AM ARE LOOKING FOR IS ELECTRICAL AND HYDRAULIC, NOT STRUCTURAL
10:09:31AM ISSUES.
10:09:31AM SO NOBODY HAS TO WORRY ABOUT DRIVING ACROSS BRIDGES IN THE
10:09:34AM CITY OF TAMPA.
10:09:34AM SO THEY ARE ALL STRUCTURALLY GOOD.
10:09:36AM SECONDLY, I'M GOING TO CHIME IN ON THE BONDING ISSUE BECAUSE
10:09:40AM I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
10:09:41AM THERE IS APPROPRIATE TIME TO BOND AND NOT APPROPRIATE TIMES
10:09:44AM TO BOND.
10:09:46AM MY OPINION AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE FISCALLY AFFLUENT

10:09:50AM THAN I AM.
10:09:51AM YOU KNOW, THEY CALL IT GENERATION OF FINANCING.
10:09:55AM THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED ACROSS
10:09:57AM MULTIPLE GENERATIONS, AND SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, LIKE OUR
10:10:03AM FIRE STATION ISSUES, SOME OF OUR ROAD.
10:10:05AM OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH PIPES.
10:10:07AM THAT IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR A
10:10:12AM HUNDRED YEARS.
10:10:12AM SO IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BOND THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES AND THEN
10:10:15AM OTHERS THAT ARE NOT.
10:10:16AM THAT'S WHY I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT VERY
10:10:20AM SPECIFIC OF WHAT THE IMPACT IT IS TO THE COMMUNITY TODAY
10:10:24AM VERSUS THE COMMUNITY TOMORROW AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR
10:10:27AM IT.
10:10:27AM ONE OF THE REASONS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAY AS YOU GO AND THE
10:10:29AM MILLAGE INCREASE LAST YEAR, I RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAD FOR THE
10:10:33AM WANTS AND THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, WE HAD A DEFICIT FOR WHAT
10:10:36AM WE NEEDED.
10:10:37AM THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SUPPORTED AND I THINK
10:10:41AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID MANY, MANY TIMES.
10:10:43AM KNOW WE HAVE A DEFICIT IN OUR FIRE STATIONS.
10:10:47AM WE KNOW WE HAVE A NEED OF REPLACING OUR POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
10:10:51AM THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP.
10:10:53AM WE HAVE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
10:10:56AM A LOT OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

10:10:58AM HOPEFULLY WITH THE INTEREST RATES THE WAY THEY ARE, PAY GO
10:11:01AM IS DEFINITELY THE WAY TO GO ON MOST OF THESE THINGS.
10:11:04AM IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TODAY
10:11:07AM COMING UP.
10:11:07AM THE COMMITTEE HAS SUPPORTED THE RIVERWALK EXPANSION AND
10:11:12AM BECAUSE OF COST ESCALATIONS, IT'S GOING TO EXCEED WHAT WE
10:11:15AM HAVE FOR PAY AS YOU GO.
10:11:16AM THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF GAP TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL
10:11:20AM THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN PAY FOR AND WHAT IT'S
10:11:23AM GOING TO COST.
10:11:23AM NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HOW MUCH OF THAT
10:11:28AM WE'RE GOING TO BORROW VERSUS HOW MUCH WE PAY.
10:11:30AM I'M GOING TO PROPOSE DURING THIS DISCUSSION THAT THE CRA
10:11:34AM KICKS IN, THE WEST TAMPA CRA KICKS IN TO PAY FOR A PORTION
10:11:40AM OF THIS AND NOT HAVE TO BOND AS MUCH AS WE HAD.
10:11:43AM REFERENCE TO FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY -- I'LL
10:11:45AM TRY TO DISPLACE SOME OF THAT POTENTIAL BORROWING WITH CRA
10:11:49AM MONEY, WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISCUSSIONS THAT
10:11:52AM YOU GUYS HAVE HAD.
10:11:53AM SO I'M GOING TO KICK THAT OUT AND HAVE THAT FURTHER
10:11:56AM DISCUSSION LATER ON TODAY.
10:11:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:11:59AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:01AM >> TWO THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND AND THEY COME UP
10:12:03AM EVERY MEETING THAT WE SPEAK.

10:12:04AM ONE IS BONDING AND THE OTHER ONE IS CIT.
10:12:07AM THE BONDING WE ARE NOT AGAINST BONDING.
10:12:10AM BUT LESS IS BEST.
10:12:11AM THAT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
10:12:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, I CAN'T HEAR.
10:12:17AM PLEASE, THANK YOU.
10:12:18AM YES, SIR.
10:12:19AM >> THAT'S NUMBER ONE ON BONDING.
10:12:21AM NUMBER TWO, ON THE CIT, IT COMES UP FOR THE LAST YEAR EVERY
10:12:26AM MEETING HOW CRUCIAL THAT IS.
10:12:27AM BUT THE LAST MEETING, SOMETHING CAME UP THAT WE THINK NEEDS
10:12:30AM TO BE TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY AND
10:12:35AM WHAT THEY BRING IN IN REVENUE AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE
10:12:38AM GETTING PROPOSED, WHICH I THINK IS 21.8% IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN
10:12:42AM BASED ON THE PRESENTATION MADE THE OTHER DAY AT 11:00, I
10:12:46AM WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT WE BRING IN MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE --
10:12:50AM EXCUSE ME, WHAT COMES INTO THE CITY COFFERS IS A LOT MORE
10:12:54AM THAN 21.8%.
10:12:57AM SO THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
10:12:59AM NUMBER TWO, I THINK ON THE SCREEN SHOT, 21% GOING TO SPORTS
10:13:03AM TEAMS.
10:13:04AM WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS IN THE CITY.
10:13:07AM AT 21%, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT $200 MILLION A YEAR, THAT'S
10:13:12AM $42 MILLION A YEAR.
10:13:16AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR

10:13:18AM KEEPING UP THE FACILITIES, BUT WE DO HAVE TOURIST TAX MONEY
10:13:23AM THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT, THAT EACH CENT, WE HAVE SIX CENTS,
10:13:26AM AND EACH ONE OF THOSE BRING IN 10 MILLION APIECE.
10:13:28AM ANYWAY, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED THIS BECAUSE WE
10:13:33AM KNOW THAT CIT, IF WE'RE NOT WITHOUT CIT, WE HAVE MAJOR
10:13:39AM PROBLEMS AND THE BONDING ISSUE THAT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
10:13:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:13:45AM ALL RIGHT.
10:13:45AM THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
10:13:46AM >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
10:13:47AM APPRECIATE YOU.
10:13:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:13:48AM WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:13:50AM FIRST SPEAKERS ARE JAMES WRIGHT FOLLOWED BY ALBERT COOK AND
10:13:56AM ELIO MUELLER.
10:13:58AM ELIO LEFT.
10:14:00AM OKAY.
10:14:00AM IS JAMES WRIGHT HERE?
10:14:02AM >> YES, HE'S HERE.
10:14:03AM JAMES WRIGHT, ALBERT COOK AND CYNTHIA MALONEY.
10:14:19AM GOOD MORNING, MR. WRIGHT.
10:14:47AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GO AHEAD.
10:14:50AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:14:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:14:54AM >> MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS --

10:14:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
10:14:59AM >> MY NAME IS JAMES WRIGHT, LONGTIME REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
10:15:04AM YELLOW JACKETS LOCAL LEAGUE.
10:15:07AM I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS MORNING AND
10:15:13AM PLEASE KNOW THAT OUR LEAGUE WAS BORN FROM THE ASHES, 1967
10:15:22AM AND TODAY WE STILL STAND.
10:15:25AM IT IS TRUE THAT WE HAD NO BUILDINGS AND ONE FIELD.
10:15:33AM THE BOYS TEAM USED THE RIVER'S EDGE AS THE TOILET.
10:15:40AM IN THOSE DAYS WE DIDN'T REFER TO THE TOILET AS A RESTROOM AS
10:15:46AM WE DO NOWADAYS.
10:15:47AM THE GIRLS NEVER HAD ANY PLACE THAT THEY CALL A TOILET OR A
10:15:58AM RESTROOM.
10:15:59AM AS FOR THE COACHES AND MYSELF, WE PRAYED TO THE LORD THAT WE
10:16:05AM DIDN'T HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IF WE DID, WE'RE IN DEEP
10:16:12AM TROUBLE.
10:16:12AM BUT IN 1993, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAD TO RELOCATE OUR FIELD.
10:16:25AM AT THAT TIME, WE HAD TWO FIELDS AND PRESENTING TO THE SCHOOL
10:16:30AM BOARD, MR. RANDALL AND DR. SICKLES BOTH FROM THE SCHOOL
10:16:38AM SYSTEM PUT FORTH THEIR PLAN FOR RELOCATING OUR FIELDS.
10:16:49AM THEY STATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT IT WAS IN GOOD FAITH
10:16:58AM THEIR PLAN.
10:17:00AM NOW, WE, AS A LEAGUE TAKE THE WORDS "GOOD FAITH" TO MEAN
10:17:10AM DOING THE RIGHT THING.
10:17:11AM NOW, LATER, THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE OUR LEAGUE'S COMMITMENT TO
10:17:24AM THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR POSITIVE EFFECT THAT IT MADE.

10:17:32AM AND THEY SAID TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND OUR PRESIDENT THAT
10:17:43AM THEY WANTED TO HELP US TO CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS IN THE
10:17:46AM COMMUNITY WITH A FIRST-CLASS BUILDING IN GOOD FAITH.
10:17:51AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND IT IS GOOD FAITH THAT
10:17:57AM I COME HERE.
10:17:58AM THANK YOU.
10:17:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:17:59AM NEXT SPEAKER IS ALBERT COOK FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA MALONEY.
10:18:03AM GOOD MORNING, MR. COOK.
10:18:04AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:18:08AM >> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT SHOTSPOTTER.
10:18:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:18:12AM >> MY NAME IS ALBERT COOK.
10:18:14AM I'M A RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA SINCE 2002.
10:18:18AM OVER THE COURSE OF MY 22-YEAR EAST TAMPA RESIDENCY, I HAVE
10:18:23AM WITNESSED BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT AND SETBACKS.
10:18:25AM THE FLUCTUATION BETWEEN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND DECLINE HAS
10:18:33AM BEEN NOTABLE WITH REAL ESTATE VALUES SOARING AS WELL AS
10:18:36AM EQUITY DIMINISHING ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS.
10:18:39AM WHILE THESE ASPECTS ARE BEYOND OUR DIRECT CONTROL AS PART OF
10:18:43AM THE AMERICAN LIFE CYCLE, ONE CRUCIAL FACTOR THAT WE CAN
10:18:47AM INFLUENCE IS A LEVEL OF CRIME WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:18:50AM IT IS EVIDENT IN BOTH -- THAT BOTH MAJOR AND MINOR CRIMES
10:18:55AM HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN MORE PREVALENT IN EAST TAMPA COMPARED
10:18:58AM TO OTHER AREAS OF OUR CITY.

10:19:00AM SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING OUR OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE.
10:19:05AM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN COMMENDABLE IN THEIR
10:19:09AM EFFORTS TO COMBAT CRIME AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF
10:19:12AM TECHNOLOGIES LIKE SHOTSPOTTER CANNOT BE OVERSTATED IN THEIR
10:19:16AM SUCCESS.
10:19:16AM RESEARCH HAS FOUND THAT SHOTSPOTTER TECHNOLOGY GREATLY
10:19:22AM ENHANCES POLICE EFFICIENCY AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE RESOLUTION
10:19:25AM OF MAJOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
10:19:27AM THE IMPORTANCE OF ENSURING RESIDENT SAFETY TRANSCENDS
10:19:33AM MONETARY VALUE.
10:19:34AM AND GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE TECHNOLOGY FOR QUICKER
10:19:37AM EMERGENCY RESPONSES, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE SEIZE IT.
10:19:41AM LET US LEVERAGE SHOTSPOTTER AS A CONTEMPORARY TECHNOLOGICAL
10:19:48AM TOOL TO BOLSTER THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS.
10:19:50AM CURRENTLY, EAST TAMPA IS EXPERIENCING THE PERIOD OF GROWTH,
10:19:54AM CHARACTERIZED BY INCOMING RESIDENTS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION
10:19:57AM PROJECTS.
10:19:58AM THE INFLUX OF YOUNG FAMILIES INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BRING A
10:20:01AM SENSE OF VITALITY AND PROMISE FOR A BRIGHT FUTURE.
10:20:06AM SUSTAINING THIS POSITIVE MOMENTUM NECESSITATES A CONTINUED
10:20:10AM FOCUS ON CRIME SUPPRESSION AND UTILIZATION OF SHOTSPOTTER
10:20:14AM TECHNOLOGY FOR ITS MAINTENANCE.
10:20:15AM I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT SHOTSPOTTER IS INDISPENSABLE COMPONENT
10:20:20AM OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE DIRECTLY
10:20:23AM INFLUENCING OUR FAVORABLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OVERALL

10:20:27AM WELL-BEING.
10:20:27AM THE PRESERVATION OF A SAFE ENVIRONMENT IN EAST TAMPA IS
10:20:32AM ESSENTIAL, MAKING SHOTSPOTTER A CRUCIAL ELEMENT IN THE
10:20:36AM CREATION OF A PROMISING FUTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
10:20:38AM I IMPLORE THE BOARD TO SAY YES TO SHOTSPOTTER.
10:20:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:20:43AM >> THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
10:20:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:20:45AM NEXT IS CYNTHIA MALONEY FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:20:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MA'AM, I'M SORRY, NO.
10:20:55AM THREE MINUTES ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
10:20:59AM THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS ARE ONLY FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:21:03AM >> I'LL TALK FAST.
10:21:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:05AM >> CYNTHIA MALONEY.
10:21:07AM I AM THE SECRETARY OF THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION
10:21:10AM AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE CAC FOR WEST TAMPA.
10:21:14AM GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
10:21:15AM THANK YOU.
10:21:15AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOME CONCERNS WE HAVE FOR 1500 WEST
10:21:24AM CASS STREET.
10:21:25AM OUR BOARD MET LAST NIGHT AND WE ALL AGREE THAT WE HAVE
10:21:28AM CONCERNS ABOUT THE ITEM, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY TO
10:21:30AM SELL ALCOHOL, BUT TO SELL IT OUTSIDE --
10:21:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.

10:21:34AM THIS IS RELATED TO A PUBLIC HEARING?
10:21:35AM >> YES.
10:21:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT ITEM NUMBER?
10:21:38AM >> WHY DID YOU CALL ME?
10:21:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
10:21:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE YOU FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD
10:21:42AM THAT'S FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:21:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC
10:21:46AM HEARING.
10:21:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE CALLED UP FOR A SECOND
10:21:48AM READING.
10:21:49AM >> SHOULD I SIT DOWN?
10:21:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MA'AM, TAKE THE SPEAKER FORM -- IF YOU CAN,
10:21:55AM TAKE YOUR SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH YOU BECAUSE THEN THAT IS
10:21:59AM USEFUL IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PRESENT.
10:22:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:22:03AM NEXT UP IS STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:22:22AM >> CAN WE RESET THE CLOCK, PLEASE?
10:22:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:22:26AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:22:27AM >> THANK YOU.
10:22:28AM FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BONDING BECAUSE I HAVE A
10:22:34AM PROBLEM WITH DEBT.
10:22:35AM ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BONDING
10:22:37AM DEBT IS THAT CIT THAT BRINGS IN ALL THE MONEY HAS NOT BEEN

10:22:42AM APPROVED.
10:22:43AM WE CANNOT SPEND MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE YET.
10:22:46AM YOU CAN'T GO SPENDING MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
10:22:49AM WE HAVE NO PAYCHECK UNTIL THAT PASSES IN NOVEMBER.
10:22:53AM SO WHEN WE GO BONDING STUFF, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
10:22:57AM DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH.
10:23:01AM THE RIVERWALK.
10:23:02AM LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
10:23:04AM $57 MILLION.
10:23:05AM OH, MY GOODNESS.
10:23:06AM THAT IS $4 MILLION MORE THAN THE MILLAGE INCREASE WOULD HAVE
10:23:10AM BEEN LAST YEAR.
10:23:11AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT BY GOD,
10:23:15AM WE'VE GOT MONEY FOR A FREAKIN' SIDEWALK ON A RIVER.
10:23:18AM LEGACY PROJECT.
10:23:20AM HERE WE GO AGAIN.
10:23:22AM AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $57 MILLION AND BOND PART OF IT
10:23:26AM AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE CIT IS GOING TO BE AROUND.
10:23:30AM WE DO NOT KNOW THAT.
10:23:31AM THE SHOTSPOTTER, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
10:23:36AM NOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT MY COMMUNITY, NOT MY RIGHT TO HAVE
10:23:39AM AN OPINION ABOUT THAT, BUT IT IS MY RIGHT AND MY OPINION
10:23:43AM THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN UP TODAY.
10:23:45AM IT SHOULD BE PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
10:23:47AM ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

10:23:52AM YOU ARE NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE AND TRANSPARENT.
10:23:54AM LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
10:23:56AM WHEN YOU'VE GOT FOLKS IN THE CROWD WHO CAME HERE TODAY TO
10:23:59AM TALK ABOUT SHOTSPOTTER, MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE
10:24:01AM BEEN OUT PUSHING THIS ON THE POSITIVE SIDE AND NONE OF THE
10:24:04AM FOLKS WHO DON'T LIKE IT ARE IN THE KNOW ABOUT IT.
10:24:07AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
10:24:09AM OKAY, THE SOHO STORM PROJECT.
10:24:13AM OH MY LORD HAVE MERCY.
10:24:14AM I THOUGHT, WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT?
10:24:17AM THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THE FLOODING.
10:24:19AM OH, MY GOODNESS.
10:24:20AM THESE PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE DOWN HUNDREDS OF TREES.
10:24:22AM NO PROBLEM PLANTING ALL THE TREES BECAUSE EVERYTHING THEY
10:24:25AM TAKE OUT IN PARKLAND ESTATES WILL HAVE TO BE REMEDIATED.
10:24:29AM WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THAT?
10:24:31AM NUMBER 49, THE REASON WHY I GAVE YOU THIS, NUMBER 49 IS
10:24:35AM REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
10:24:36AM WHY ARE WE SPENDING $88,000 TO STUDY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN
10:24:40AM YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
10:24:44AM BEING BUILT IN THIS CITY?
10:24:46AM I KNOW HOW MANY IS BEING BUILT SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:24:50AM YOU KNOW WHY?
10:24:50AM BECAUSE I DID THE WORK.
10:24:52AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT DID THE WORK.

10:24:53AM WE COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
10:24:55AM BUT NOBODY IN THIS CITY CAN TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN
10:24:59AM PROCESS.
10:24:59AM AND OF THOSE UNITS, WE HAVE THOUSANDS THAT ARE NOT FINISHED
10:25:04AM YET.
10:25:05AM ALMOST 3,000.
10:25:06AM LOOK DOWN THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
10:25:07AM THIS INCOMPLETE PROJECTS, 2851 UNITS SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:25:13AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CARS ARE GOING TO GO.
10:25:15AM AND NONE OF THEM ARE GOING TO MEET MacDILL'S NEEDS.
10:25:18AM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WANT YOU TO PONDER THIS.
10:25:21AM HOW CAN A DEVELOPER FILE LITIGATION AGAINST THIS CITY OF
10:25:25AM TAMPA WHEN THEY HAVE THREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN
10:25:29AM THE QUEUE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA?
10:25:31AM WE DO BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SUE US?
10:25:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:25:34AM NEXT UP IS ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY NOREEN COPELAND MILLER.
10:25:39AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:25:41AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:25:44AM >> SO FUNNY HOW YOU SAY MY NAME.
10:25:46AM ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:25:48AM COUNCIL, I AM HERE TODAY IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 92.
10:25:54AM I SAID BEFORE THAT EVEN IN THE RESOLUTION 568 AND 344 THAT
10:25:59AM THE YELLOW JACKETS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT TO MAKE THEM
10:26:02AM WHOLE AGAIN.

10:26:03AM THE YELLOW JACKETS WAS MOVED FROM WEST TAMPA TO INDIANA
10:26:10AM ACROSS THE STREET FROM A GRAVEYARD AND THAT'S WHAT THE FIELD
10:26:13AM LOOKS LIKE.
10:26:13AM PROMISES WERE MADE.
10:26:17AM THEY WERE PROMISED THEY WERE GOING TO BE MADE WHOLE.
10:26:19AM COACH WRIGHT CAME DOWN HERE.
10:26:22AM I SUPPORT IT.
10:26:24AM THERE SHOULD BE A BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT HE'S --
10:26:29AM THE YELLOW JACKETS HAS BEEN PUTTING IN A TRAILER.
10:26:35AM THE CONCESSION STAND IS NOT WHAT THEY HAD.
10:26:38AM THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH THE FIELD, THE LIGHTS DON'T WORK.
10:26:42AM HE'S TOLD ME THAT HE'S CALLED AND AT ONE TIME -- AND THEY
10:26:51AM STOPPED.
10:26:52AM THIS IS HOW THE CITY TO TREAT A MAN OF HIS STATURE, A
10:26:57AM WELL-RESPECTED MAN.
10:26:58AM HE'S NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO BE MADE WHOLE
10:27:04AM AGAIN, THE FIELD TO BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN.
10:27:07AM I SPOKE WITH LEON -- SORRY, LEROY MOORE.
10:27:12AM LEROY MOORE SAID THAT IT'S HIS RECOLLECTION THAT HE WAS
10:27:19AM SUPPOSED TO GET IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEW FIELDS TO EQUAL OR
10:27:24AM BETTER THE AMENITIES THAT HE HAD IN WEST TAMPA.
10:27:28AM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS A PART OF IT.
10:27:31AM HE SUPPORTS AND REMEMBERS WHAT WAS SAID.
10:27:33AM THE GRAND OPENING WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.
10:27:39AM FIVE YEARS AGO.

10:27:40AM IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE BUDGET.
10:27:46AM I WENT TO THE GRAND OPENING.
10:27:48AM THE SAD THING, WHEN ALL THE MEETINGS WERE HAPPEN OR FEW
10:27:51AM MEETINGS THAT DID HAPPEN, I THOUGHT IN MY SPIRIT THAT ALL
10:27:54AM THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE SAYING WAS NOT GOING TO GO COME
10:27:57AM TRUE AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
10:27:59AM IT IS GOING TO BE RALLYING TO PUSH THIS BECAUSE RIGHT IS
10:28:08AM RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG.
10:28:10AM THEY SHOULD BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN BECAUSE THEY WERE DISPLACED
10:28:14AM FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
10:28:16AM WASN'T SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THE PROJECTS, WEST TAMPA HOUSING
10:28:20AM WAS CLOSED DOWN BECAUSE, GUESS WHAT, ALL THE KIDS DIDN'T
10:28:24AM COME FROM WEST TAMPA HOUSING PROJECTS.
10:28:27AM THEY CAME FROM OTHER AREAS.
10:28:29AM SOME OF THEM LIVED AT HOME.
10:28:30AM SOME OF THEM WALKED TO THE FIELD.
10:28:32AM IN THIS GESTURE, RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG.
10:28:35AM AND WE WANT TO SEE THE YELLOW JACKETS BEING MADE WHOLE
10:28:37AM AGAIN.
10:28:38AM THANK YOU.
10:28:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:28:39AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:28:39AM NEXT IS UP NOREEN COPELAND MILLER FOLLOWED BY KELLA
10:28:44AM McCASKILL.
10:28:46AM GOOD MORNING.

10:28:47AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:28:48AM >> I WANT TO -- I'M GOING TO READ THIS.
10:28:52AM BEEN CELEBRATING JUNETEENTH.
10:28:58AM LIFT EVERY VOICE AND SING TO EARTH AND HEAVEN RING, RING
10:29:03AM WITH THE HARMONY AND LIBERTY.
10:29:07AM LET US REJOICING RISE HIGH AS THE LISTENING SKY.
10:29:11AM LET IT SOUND LOUD AS THE ROLLING SEA.
10:29:13AM I'M HERE THIS MORNING BECAUSE WE GOT TO LIFT OUR VOICE AND
10:29:20AM CONTINUE TO LIFT OUR VOICE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CITY AS A
10:29:26AM BLACK -- AS A PERSON OF COLOR.
10:29:27AM LET ME JUST SAY THAT.
10:29:29AM I'M HERE THIS MORNING BECAUSE I KNOW IMPLEMENTATION AND
10:29:31AM EVERYTHING, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS PUT A LOT INTO THE PROCESS
10:29:36AM TODAY, SIGNING THOSE CARDS AS SOON AS WE GET OFF THE
10:29:40AM ELEVATOR.
10:29:41AM I WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK TODAY WAS NOT THE DAY TO DO THAT.
10:29:44AM AT LEAST GIVE US A WARNING.
10:29:45AM MAYBE YOU DID AND I MISSED IT.
10:29:47AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:29:47AM BUT I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD GETTING OUT, TRYING TO FILL OUT
10:29:50AM THAT CARD AND THEN I'M COMING UP NOW WHEN I WAS NOT PREPARED
10:29:53AM TO COME UP RIGHT NOW, BUT SINCE YOU CALLED ME, IF I WOULD
10:29:56AM HAVE NOT CAME UP I'M WONDERING, WOULD I NOT BE ABLE TO
10:30:00AM SPEAK.
10:30:00AM I SAY GET UP NOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S

10:30:04AM CLEAR -- I KNOW CONTROL IS EVERYTHING AND I KNOW YOU ALL
10:30:07AM WANT TO FINE TUNE THIS PROCESS.
10:30:09AM I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT LET'S DO A BETTER JOB OF
10:30:11AM IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO BE BLINDSIDED.
10:30:14AM AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS DON'T EITHER AND THAT'S HOW I FEEL
10:30:18AM THIS MORNING.
10:30:19AM BUT I'M GOING TO MOVE ON BECAUSE I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I
10:30:22AM WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK MY REPRESENTATIVE.
10:30:27AM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR THE ARTICLE I READ OUT OF THE
10:30:30AM PAPER.
10:30:30AM I JUST FOUND THAT TO BE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE FRIENDS OF
10:30:34AM BELMONT PARKS HEIGHT CEMETERY.
10:30:36AM WE HAVE A COALITION, CEMETERY COALITION THAT BELIEVE IN A
10:30:42AM VOICE FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT SPEAK.
10:30:44AM I KNOW ALL OF US HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WITH
10:30:48AM THAT.
10:30:48AM IT TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR YOU TO
10:30:51AM DO WHAT I READ OUT OF THE PAPER.
10:30:53AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR IT IS THE TRUE, FREE, CONTINUE TO LIFT
10:31:01AM OUR VOICE.
10:31:02AM WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SING THE SONG UNTIL THEY LEARN THE
10:31:05AM WORDS BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR THE WORDS ARE NOT BEING LEARNED.
10:31:08AM THERE IS A LOT GOING ON THAT THE PUBLIC DON'T KNOW ABOUT,
10:31:11AM BUT I THANK GOD OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE KEEPING US INFORMED.
10:31:15AM SOME OF YOU.

10:31:15AM SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
10:31:17AM MY OTHER PART I'M HERE TALKING ABOUT SHOTSPOTTER TECHNOLOGY.
10:31:22AM I AM A SENIOR CITIZEN IN EAST TAMPA.
10:31:24AM I STOOD UP FOR THIS TO BE BUILT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE SAFE
10:31:28AM LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNITY.
10:31:30AM PUBLIC SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
10:31:31AM SO I HOPE YOU ALL SUPPORT THAT SHOTSPOTTER TECHNOLOGY.
10:31:36AM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, YELLOW JACKETS LEAGUE FIELD, WHICH I
10:31:41AM PLAYED SOFTBALL, MY GRANDKIDS PLAYED SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL.
10:31:46AM THE YELLOW JACKETS BEING MOVED OFF OF NORTH BOULEVARD
10:31:51AM CERTAINLY, THAT IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
10:31:54AM THE MERE FACT THAT MR. WRIGHT CAME DOWN HERE TODAY SPEAKS
10:31:57AM VOLUMES.
10:31:58AM SO WE MUST MAKE THEM WHOLE.
10:32:00AM WE MUST DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE OF COLOR.
10:32:03AM BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE ERASING OUR HISTORY.
10:32:06AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:09AM NEXT UP KELLA McCASKILL FOLLOWED BY JIM SHIMBERG.
10:32:12AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:32:19AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:32:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:32:20AM IT IS SO DISAPPOINTING.
10:32:21AM KELLA McCASKILL.
10:32:23AM IT'S SO DISAPPOINTING TO BE HERE AGAIN IN 2024 REGARDING THE

10:32:28AM SAME MATTER.
10:32:29AM BUT I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, CITY COUNCIL, THIS TIME HAVING SO
10:32:32AM MANY PEOPLE LEAVING THE CITY, PARTICULARLY THOSE ADDRESSING
10:32:36AM OUR MAIN CONCERNS HERE IN THE CITY, PARTICULARLY
10:32:38AM MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND TODAY TO FIND OUT KAYON
10:32:42AM HENDERSON IS ADDED TO THE LIST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT'S
10:32:44AM ALREADY LEFT, HOW DISAPPOINTING.
10:32:47AM BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT YOUR FAULT BECAUSE HERE WE ARE AFTER TWO
10:32:50AM YEARS OF A RESET WHEN WE -- I KNOW I DID, ASKED YOU
10:32:54AM SPECIFICALLY, DAMN NEAR BEGGED YOU, TO NOT LISTEN JUST TO
10:32:58AM THOSE EXPERTS THAT YOU BROUGHT IN.
10:32:59AM LISTEN TO THE TAXPAYERS.
10:33:01AM LISTEN TO THE VOTERS.
10:33:03AM LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT'S LIVED PARTICULARLY IN CRA THAT
10:33:06AM LIVED IN THIS AREA, LIVED IN THIS CITY FOR YEARS, BUT YOU
10:33:09AM DIDN'T DO THAT.
10:33:10AM NOW HERE WE ARE BECAUSE OF THAT.
10:33:12AM HIS EXPERTS, THEY GOT UP AND THEY ACTUALLY LEFT.
10:33:15AM AND LONG AFTER THEY LEAVE, WE'RE STILL HERE TRYING TO PICK
10:33:19AM UP THE SCRAPS.
10:33:20AM PICK UP THE PIECES OF WHAT THEY LEFT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO
10:33:25AM MOVE IT ALONG.
10:33:26AM WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE PLAYED BEFORE.
10:33:28AM WE'VE SEEN WHAT IT DOES WHEN THEY LEAVE.
10:33:30AM WE'VE SEEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THEY ARE GONE.

10:33:32AM BUT THIS MOVIE HAS A TWIST TO IT BECAUSE IT KIND OF REMINDS
10:33:36AM ME OF A SITUATION I RECENTLY FACED WERE IT SEEMS LIKE THE
10:33:39AM SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND/OR THE LAW IS MORE
10:33:42AM CONCERNED ON ONE SIDE OF THE EQUATION.
10:33:45AM NEVERTHELESS, BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE, THE SKILLS THEY
10:33:48AM POSSESS, THE PROFESSIONALISM, WHO THEY BELONG TO, WHO THEY
10:33:50AM ARE, THEY CAN STILL BE GOOD PEOPLE, WHOLE PEOPLE AND WALK
10:33:57AM AWAY EVEN FROM A CORRUPT SYSTEM AND STILL STAND TALL ON
10:34:00AM THEIR FEET, SO THEY DID, LIKE ME.
10:34:01AM THANK GOD I DIDN'T HAVE TO COMPROMISE WHO I AM.
10:34:04AM I DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE A PLEA.
10:34:05AM I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT.
10:34:06AM I'M STILL STANDING AND SO ARE THEY.
10:34:09AM I WANT TO THANK THEM PUBLICLY FOR ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE.
10:34:11AM KAYON, ALIS, NICOLE, ERICA, AND EVEN CT HARRIS.
10:34:15AM ALL OF YOU FOR THE COMMITMENT THAT YOU HAD IN THIS CITY AND
10:34:18AM WHAT HAPPENS TO US NEXT CITY COUNCIL IS ON YOU.
10:34:21AM WHAT WE NEED IS SOMEBODY -- THEY ALREADY SET A BAR.
10:34:24AM THEY SET THAT BAR HIGH.
10:34:25AM WHAT WE NEED NOW IS PEOPLE THAT CAN COME IN AND FILL IN
10:34:28AM THOSE SHOES AND CARRY ON.
10:34:30AM PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND BE IN FAVOR OF PROGRESS.
10:34:33AM THOSE PEOPLE SET SOME GREAT THINGS IN PLACE AND I DON'T KNOW
10:34:36AM HOW YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ANY OF THAT, INCLUDING YOUR
10:34:39AM HOUSING OBJECTIVES, ECONOMIC, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN IF WE

10:34:42AM DON'T CONTINUE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN FILL THOSE SHOES.
10:34:45AM SO WHAT HAPPENS TO US NEXT IS ON YOU.
10:34:48AM WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU.
10:34:50AM WE'RE EXPECTING YOU TO BE THE LEADERS THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED
10:34:52AM TO BE.
10:34:53AM DON'T HIRE -- THEY DON'T EXIST IN THE CITY OF TAMPA STAFF.
10:35:00AM HIRE THE RIGHT PEOPLE, THE RIGHT TO CARRY ON FROM THESE
10:35:03AM PEOPLE AND THE BAR THEY SET.
10:35:04AM ONE MORE THING, ALL DUE RESPECT WHEN YOU ADDRESS ME FOR
10:35:07AM SPEAKING IN THE BACK AND YOU DON'T ADDRESS LEGAL AND WHOEVER
10:35:10AM ELSE IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN PUBLIC, WHATEVER THEY ARE
10:35:12AM DOING OVER THERE, MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS THAT SOUND TOO.
10:35:15AM I'M NOT THE ONLY VOICE IN HERE MAKING A SOUND.
10:35:18AM PLEASE BE FAIR AND MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS ALL NOISE WHEN YOU
10:35:21AM HEAR IT, NOT JUST ME.
10:35:22AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:35:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:35:24AM JIM SHIMBERG FOLLOWED BY JOHNNY JOHNSON.
10:35:29AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:35:30AM JIM SHIMBERG.
10:35:33AM HERE ON ITEM 74 WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL NOT BE
10:35:37AM ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND OUR CLIENT IS THE DEVELOPER.
10:35:40AM THE PROJECT WAS APPEALED BY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS,
10:35:43AM SCHEDULED FOR HEARING TODAY.
10:35:44AM THEY MISNOTICED.

10:35:47AM THEY THEN SENT A MEMO IN SAYING PLEASE RESCHEDULE IT WITHOUT
10:35:50AM A DATE.
10:35:51AM I'M ASKING AS A MATTER OF FAIRNESS FOR YOU TO SCHEDULE THAT
10:35:53AM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OUR CLIENT IS TRYING TO PROCEED
10:35:55AM WITH THE PROJECT.
10:35:56AM WE FINALLY GOT EVERYTHING IN COMPLIANCE.
10:35:57AM WE GOT THE BLC APPROVAL.
10:35:59AM WE GOT APPEALED.
10:36:01AM THEY MISNOTICED.
10:36:02AM NOW IT'S GOING TO GET CONTINUOUSLY DELAYED.
10:36:04AM I'M ASKING AS A MATTER OF FAIRNESS FOR YOU TO SCHEDULE THAT
10:36:07AM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:36:07AM I KNOW YOU HAVE A NEW RULE IN PLACE THAT YOU TRY TO LIMIT
10:36:12AM THOSE HEARINGS FOR AGENDA.
10:36:15AM I ASK YOU DO IT EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE AND ASK FOR AUGUST 1
10:36:19AM IF POSSIBLE.
10:36:20AM I WOULD HAVE YOU DISMISS THEIR APPEAL.
10:36:23AM DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT.
10:36:24AM I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESCHEDULE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:36:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:36:27AM WE CAN BRING THAT UP DURING NEW BUSINESS, CORRECT?
10:36:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: -- BRING IT UP AFTER AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:36:35AM ACTUALLY, WHAT WE DID, COUNCIL DID, MADE THE MOTION TO
10:36:37AM REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE RESET.
10:36:41AM DOES HAVE TO COME BACK.

10:36:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:36:43AM >> DO I NEED TO STAY FOR THAT?
10:36:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
10:36:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:36:47AM MR. JOHNNY JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY MR. STEPHEN MICHELINI.
10:36:52AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:36:53AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:36:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:36:55AM JOHNNY JOHNSON.
10:36:56AM I COME TO COUNCIL THIS MORNING FOR TWO THINGS.
10:37:00AM ONE IS TO SPEAK ON THE YELLOW JACKETS.
10:37:04AM I'M FOREVER GRATEFUL TO COACH WRIGHT.
10:37:06AM I STARTED PLAYING YELLOW JACKETS AT NINE YEARS OLD.
10:37:09AM MADE IT ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE SYSTEM RIGHT THERE ON
10:37:13AM SPRUCE STREET WHICH THEY WERE RELOCATED.
10:37:15AM NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE RELOCATION WHEN BRING KIDS INTO THE
10:37:19AM COMMUNITY AND ALREADY HAVE A STABLE PARK THERE THAT WOULD
10:37:21AM HAVE GENERATED OUR PARK LEAGUE TO MATCH OTHER LEAGUES THAT
10:37:25AM CAME UP WATCHING GOING INTO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE PALMA
10:37:27AM CEIA, CITRUS PARK, AND INTERBAY, WHERE IT WAS FULL OF
10:37:31AM PEOPLE.
10:37:33AM TO MOVE THE YELLOW JACKETS NORTH OVER OFF BOULEVARD, OVER BY
10:37:37AM THE GRAVEYARD, THAT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING.
10:37:40AM ANOTHER MOVE, ANOTHER LANDMARK, ANOTHER POINT TO ERASE
10:37:43AM HISTORY.

10:37:44AM I HAVE NOWHERE TO SHOW MY KIDS WHERE I PLAYED BASEBALL FOR
10:37:47AM OVER 12 YEARS, HONING MY SKILLS.
10:37:52AM COACH WRIGHT HAD DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.
10:37:56AM EVERLASTING IMPACT ON MY LIFE, FAMILY LIFE AND A LOT OF
10:37:59AM FRIENDS.
10:38:00AM BROTHERS PLAYED YELLOW JACKETS.
10:38:04AM THEY DID NOT MAKE THE FIELD WHOLE.
10:38:05AM PLAQUE ON SPRUCE STREET WHERE IT SHOWED EVERY TEAM PLAYER ON
10:38:09AM THE TEAM THAT MADE IT.
10:38:11AM I TRAVELED ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO WATCH THEM
10:38:13AM ACHIEVE ALMOST THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL AND IT WAS TO MAKE IT TO
10:38:16AM THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES.
10:38:20AM THE PORTAL OVER THERE AT THE NEW FIELD RELOCATED
10:38:24AM UNACCEPTABLE.
10:38:25AM EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
10:38:27AM DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:38:28AM MAKE IT SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO BE PROUD ABOUT.
10:38:31AM DON'T TOTALLY WIPE US OUT LIKE A TSUNAMI.
10:38:33AM ANOTHER THING, I STAND UP HERE TO SPEAK AS A PARENT AND A
10:38:37AM FAMILY THAT LOST SEVERAL TO GUN VIOLENCE.
10:38:42AM THE SHOTSPOTTER, I TRULY BELIEVE IS ONE THING IN A POSITION
10:38:47AM TO SHOW THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY CARE ABOUT WHAT
10:38:51AM HAPPENS TO ITS CONSTITUENTS AND CITIZENS.
10:38:53AM IT COULD BE A LIFESAVING INCIDENT.
10:38:55AM IMAGINE A SHOOTING GOING ON WHERE I LIVE AT IN EAST TAMPA

10:38:58AM AND HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE SHOT IS COMING FROM OR WHICH
10:39:01AM DIRECTION TO GO TO WHEN PEOPLE ARE FRANTIC AND CALLING AND
10:39:05AM IT'S TERRIBLE.
10:39:06AM I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF THE SHOTSPOTTER TO STAY IN PLACE FOR
10:39:10AM SAFETY REASONS.
10:39:11AM AGAIN, YOU CANNOT PUT A PRICE ON NO ONE'S LIFE AND WE'RE
10:39:15AM SENDING MONEY OVERSEAS TO THE WARS AND STUFF TO SAVE LIVES,
10:39:19AM TRY TO SAVE LIVES HERE AT HOME.
10:39:21AM AGAIN, DO THE RIGHT THING ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS.
10:39:25AM THE YELLOW JACKETS ARE A LEGEND IN THE CITY.
10:39:29AM IT'S COMMUNITY.
10:39:30AM AND IT DESERVES TO BE A CONTINUED STAPLE AND LANDMARK THAT
10:39:34AM WE CAN BE PROUD OF IN THE CITY.
10:39:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:39:36AM STEVE MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY VALERIE BULLOCK.
10:39:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:39:42AM STEVE MICHELINI.
10:39:43AM I SENT A LETTER TO YOU ALL REGARDING THE JACKSON HOUSE AND
10:39:46AM THE ACCARDI PROPERTIES LLC, AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE
10:39:50AM JACKSON HOUSE.
10:39:52AM I WANTED TO STATE IN HERE, THERE'S APPARENTLY SOME
10:39:54AM MISINFORMATION GOING AROUND THAT SOMEHOW THE ACCARDIS ARE
10:39:58AM HOLDING THIS PROJECT UP.
10:40:00AM THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
10:40:01AM THE ACCARDIS HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE

10:40:04AM FOUNDATION TO MOVE FORWARD, AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU BRIEFLY,
10:40:12AM THE ACCARDIS OWN EVERYTHING IN RED AND THE JACKSON HOUSE IS
10:40:15AM THERE.
10:40:15AM SO THEY OWN ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THEY
10:40:19AM AGREED TO PROVIDE ACCESS AND STABILIZATION AS WELL AS
10:40:23AM STAGING FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
10:40:26AM WHATEVER THE HOLDUP IS, WE'RE NOT OBJECTING TO IT, BUT I
10:40:29AM WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GOES ON RECORD THAT THE ACCARDIS ARE
10:40:32AM NOT PART OF THAT PROBLEM.
10:40:33AM SECOND, NEXT WEEK, YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING UP AN ORDINANCE
10:40:37AM REGARDING YBOR CITY PARKING.
10:40:39AM I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL REGARDING THAT.
10:40:43AM IT WOULD SEEM TO ME YOU WOULD WANT DATA AND INFORMATION
10:40:46AM REGARDING SECURITY BEFORE YOU MAKE THE OBLIGATION
10:40:51AM TRANSFERRED OVER TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
10:40:53AM AND THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT REQUESTS FOR MOTIONS.
10:40:57AM ONE WAS THAT TPD COME FORWARD WITH A SAFETY AND SECURITY
10:41:01AM PLAN BEFORE YOU TAKE FINAL ACTION ON THAT PROPOSED
10:41:04AM ORDINANCE.
10:41:04AM THE SECOND WAS TO INVESTIGATE THE ELIGIBILITY OF CRA FUNDS
10:41:08AM TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENSES REGARDING
10:41:12AM SAFETY AND SECURITY AND ACCORDING TO THE CITY ADOPT A PLAN
10:41:17AM FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY BEFORE YOU CAN USE THE CRA MONIES.
10:41:21AM THIRDLY, THIS IS AN AREA-WIDE PROBLEM, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL
10:41:24AM PROPERTY OWNER'S PROBLEM.

10:41:25AM AND THE ISSUE SHOULD BE SPREAD OUT AMONG -- IN TERMS OF
10:41:30AM SAFETY AND SECURITY, THE ENTIRE AREA AND NOT INDIVIDUAL
10:41:33AM PROPERTIES.
10:41:34AM THE COORDINATION -- TYPICALLY, YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT
10:41:38AM SECURITY COMPANIES PROVIDING SERVICES ON DIFFERENT LOTS.
10:41:42AM AND IT MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE THAT NOT BE COORDINATED BY
10:41:46AM TPD.
10:41:48AM THE ISSUE REGARDING PAID VERSUS UNPAID PARKING LOTS MAKES NO
10:41:52AM SENSE EITHER.
10:41:54AM MAKING PAID PARKING LOTS PROVIDE THE SECURITY WHEN UNPAID
10:42:00AM PARKING LOTS, THERE'S NO DATA THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED THAT
10:42:03AM THEY ARE ANY MORE OR LESS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON
10:42:07AM THOSE LOTS.
10:42:08AM SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION THAT
10:42:12AM TPD PROVIDE AND BRING US A SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN FORWARD
10:42:16AM BEFORE YOU TAKE ANY ACTION ON THE OTHER ORDINANCE COMING UP,
10:42:19AM AND THAT THE INVESTIGATION BE INITIATED REGARDING THE
10:42:23AM ELIGIBILITY OF CRA FUNDS, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, WOULD RELIEVE
10:42:28AM A LOT OF THE EXPENSE THAT'S BEING TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE
10:42:31AM GENERAL FUND.
10:42:31AM I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
10:42:34AM WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:42:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:42:38AM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MS. VALERIE BULLOCK FOLLOWED BY GAMINE
10:42:43AM ZACARIAS.

10:42:44AM >> I'M VALERIE BULLOCK.
10:42:46AM GOOD MORNING.
10:42:46AM I WANT TO COME DOWN HERE AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE
10:42:49AM BEAUTIFICATION AND THE TOURIST TRAPS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:42:53AM ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING, ESPECIALLY EXTENDING THE RIVERWALK
10:42:57AM SIDEWALK.
10:42:57AM ON MY WAY GETTING OUT OF MY CAR, I PASSED BY HOMELESS
10:43:01AM PEOPLE.
10:43:02AM THEY WERE SLEEPING OUT THERE.
10:43:03AM AND SOME KIND OF WAY, WE FORGOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, THE
10:43:06AM CITIZENS OF TAMPA, THE POOR PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE
10:43:11AM THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE.
10:43:12AM WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
10:43:14AM YOU HAVE 3, 4, AND 5 GENERATIONS STAYING TOGETHER.
10:43:18AM EVERYBODY IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR.
10:43:21AM EVERYBODY IS NOT GOING TO COLLEGE OR A PART OF THE SORORITY
10:43:27AM PLAN.
10:43:27AM THE POOR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH US.
10:43:31AM UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN I SEE THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY DOLE OUT
10:43:34AM MILLIONS TO DEVELOPERS.
10:43:36AM BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO STAY HERE AND WHO PAY TAXES
10:43:39AM AND THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVE AT, NOTHING HAPPENED.
10:43:43AM EVERYBODY THROW AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING TERM.
10:43:47AM THAT'S JUST TO GET US LOOKING AT EVERYBODY SPENDING THE
10:43:50AM MONEY OVER HERE.

10:43:51AM THE MAYOR WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 10,000 AFFORDABLE HOUSES.
10:43:55AM I DONE DROVE ALL OVER TAMPA.
10:43:57AM I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.
10:43:58AM NOW WE GOT OTHER PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE BUILDING AFFORDABLE
10:44:01AM HOUSING.
10:44:02AM AFFORDABLE FOR WHO?
10:44:03AM IF YOU MAKE 40,000 A YEAR, THAT $450,000 HOUSE THEY ARE
10:44:08AM BUILDING IN EAST TAMPA IT'S NOT FOR YOU.
10:44:12AM AND WE DON'T HAVE NO PLACES FOR THE PEOPLE TO GO WHEN IT
10:44:16AM COMES TO RENT.
10:44:17AM YOU CAN CALL THE CITY RENT HOT LINE.
10:44:20AM OPEN UP 8:00 MONDAY.
10:44:22AM 802 IS NO LONGER TAKING CALLS.
10:44:24AM THEY SAY IT'S FULL.
10:44:26AM METROPOLITAN MINISTRIES IS FULL.
10:44:28AM THE SALVATION ARMY IS FULL.
10:44:29AM WE'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE TOURISTS IF THEY COME HERE
10:44:32AM BECAUSE THEY GOT TO EAT.
10:44:34AM THEY GOT TO SLEEP AND THEY ARE GONNA WANT TO PLAY.
10:44:36AM SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CATER TO THE TOURISTS.
10:44:39AM LET'S TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN PEOPLE AND THEN WE WORRY ABOUT
10:44:43AM THE TOURISTS LATER.
10:44:44AM THAT RIVERWALK SIDEWALK, THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT IN EAST
10:44:47AM TAMPA, WE DON'T HAVE NO SIDEWALKS.
10:44:51AM EAST TAMPA CRA IN 2020 AND I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE CITY OF

10:44:57AM TAMPA, THEY SENT ME BACK, GAVE ME A TICKET NUMBER.
10:45:00AM WE'LL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO IT IF YOU STILL BE ALIVE.
10:45:05AM WELL, I'LL HAVE TO DO MY OWN SIDEWALK THEN.
10:45:09AM ANOTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT SHOTSPOTTER.
10:45:12AM I'LL SAY WHAT I SAID THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
10:45:15AM IT'S REALLY EASY TO GET THE GUNS OFF THE STREET.
10:45:18AM WHEN THE PEOPLE LEAVE THEM IN THEIR CAR, LAW IN THE BOOKS,
10:45:22AM ARREST THEM.
10:45:22AM I BET YOU THEY'LL PRACTICE GUN SAFETY THEN.
10:45:26AM THAT SHOTSPOTTER, THAT'S NO GOOD.
10:45:30AM NEPHEW KILLED DECEMBER 7, 19 -- 2007 IN USF AREA.
10:45:38AM HE GOT EXECUTED GOING IN THE BACK DOOR OF HIS APARTMENT.
10:45:42AM SO THE SPOT SHOOTER, THAT'S NOT GOING TO SAVE EVERYBODY AND
10:45:46AM IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
10:45:47AM PUT IT IN EAST AM AT THAT, LET'S PUT IT ALL OVER THE CITY OF
10:45:50AM TAMPA.
10:45:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:45:52AM NEXT UP IS GAMINE ZACARIAS FOLLOWED BY YVONNE FARRELLY.
10:45:59AM >> MY NAME IS GAMINE ZACARIAS.
10:46:03AM MY FAMILY HAS LIVED IN PARKLAND ESTATES FOR 25 YEARS.
10:46:05AM I'M COPRESIDENT OF THE GARDEN CLUB.
10:46:08AM ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE MOST ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS OUR
10:46:10AM INCREDIBLE TREE CANOPY.
10:46:12AM WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF MATURE SHADE TREES, MOSTLY LIVE OAKS,
10:46:15AM HICKORY, SWEET GUM OLIVE TREES.

10:46:18AM ALL OF YOU SAW THAT FIRSTHAND.
10:46:20AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND WALKING THE STREETS OF OUR
10:46:22AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:46:23AM TO HEAR OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD MITIGATION
10:46:27AM PROJECT.
10:46:28AM IF THE ROUTE SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT GOES THROUGH OUR
10:46:31AM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WILL HAVE A DEVASTATING IMPACT
10:46:34AM ON OUR TREES.
10:46:35AM THE INSTALLATION OF THESE LARGE BOX CULVERTS THAT CAN BE 20
10:46:38AM FEET DEEP, 10 FEET WIDE, CURB TO CURB DEMOLITION WOULD
10:46:43AM DECIMATE THE TREE POPULATION AND IMMATURE REPLACEMENT TREES
10:46:47AM WOULD TAKE DECADES TO GET BACK TO THE CANOPY WE HAVE NOW AND
10:46:50AM THE MEDIANS, LIKE THE HISTORIC MEDIAN ON BRISTOL AVENUE WITH
10:46:53AM A HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD WELL AND A DOZEN SHADE TREES THAT WOULD
10:46:57AM BE DESTROYED PERMANENTLY BECAUSE NO TREES COULD BE PLANTED
10:47:02AM ON MEDIANS EVER AGAIN.
10:47:03AM EVEN TREES IN HOMEOWNERS' FRONT YARDS WOULD BE KILLED SLOWLY
10:47:06AM BECAUSE OF ROOT DAMAGE.
10:47:08AM LIVE OAKS, 82% OF ONE OF THE ROUTES HAVE LIVE OAKS THAT ARE
10:47:12AM STREET SIDE.
10:47:13AM THEY HAVE VERY SHALLOW EXTENSIVE ROOTS THAT GO BEYOND THE
10:47:17AM DRIP LINE.
10:47:17AM SO THOSE WOULD ALL BE KILLED OFF AS WELL.
10:47:19AM SO THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF TREES IS INCALCULABLE BUT MAYBE WE
10:47:24AM COULD RUN SOME NUMBERS.

10:47:25AM MY NEIGHBORS AND I WORK TOGETHER TO DOCUMENT ALL THE TREES
10:47:28AM ALONG THESE ROUTES FOR THE STORMWATER PROJECT, AND I FED
10:47:32AM THIS DATA INTO I-TREE ECO, WHICH IS A SOFTWARE TOOL
10:47:35AM DEVELOPED BY THE USDA FOREST SERVICE.
10:47:38AM A FEW HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE REPORT AND I HAVE THE DETAILED
10:47:40AM REPORTS HERE.
10:47:41AM COPIES FOR EACH OF YOU.
10:47:43AM THE 98 STREET SIDE TREES THAT ARE ALONG FOUR-TENTHS OF A
10:47:47AM MILE ALONG ONE OF THE PROPOSED ROUTES DO WAY MORE THAN JUST
10:47:51AM GIVE US BEAUTY AND SHADE.
10:47:52AM IN JUST ONE YEAR, THEY REMOVED 267 POUNDS OF POLLUTION, 144
10:47:57AM TONS OF CARBON, PRODUCED 11 TONS OF OXYGEN AND AVOID 75,000
10:48:02AM GALLONS OF RUNOFF.
10:48:03AM AND THAT IS JUST IN ONE YEAR AND LESS THAN TWO BLOCKS.
10:48:07AM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SENSIBLE STORMWATER PROJECT SOLUTIONS.
10:48:10AM I JUST THINK THAT THE PROPOSED ONE IS NOT SUITABLE FOR A
10:48:14AM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:48:14AM I URGE CITY COUNCIL TO REDEFINE THIS PROJECT AS A DESIGN
10:48:18AM PROJECT RATHER THAN DESIGN-BUILD TO ALLOW THOROUGH AND
10:48:21AM THOUGHTFUL INFORMATION GATHERING AND PERHAPS COUNCIL WOULD
10:48:25AM CONSIDER A ZONING ORDINANCE TO FURTHER DELINEATE SETBACKS
10:48:27AM AND SIZING REQUIREMENTS FOR CULVERTS IN RESIDENTIAL
10:48:30AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:48:31AM I MAY NOT LOOK LIKE "THE LORAX," HOPEFULLY NOT A STOUT FURRY
10:48:36AM GUY, BUT TODAY I SPEAK FOR THE TREES.

10:48:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:39AM NEXT WE HAVE YVONNE FARRELLY FOLLOWED BY ANDREA ALDERMAN
10:48:44AM WYNN.
10:48:44AM GOOD MORNING.
10:48:46AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:48:51AM >> I ALSO HAVE HANDOUTS FOR EACH OF YOU.
10:49:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:49:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:49:40AM MY NAME IS YVONNE FARRELLY.
10:49:43AM I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
10:49:45AM I AM A MEMBER OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION SOCIETY.
10:49:49AM I AM HERE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
10:49:52AM RELIEF PROJECT.
10:49:53AM THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION DURING OUR WALK
10:49:58AM AND TALK TOUR OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE PROPOSED ROUTES OF
10:50:03AM THIS PROJECT.
10:50:03AM I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE COMING DOWN TO TALK WITH US.
10:50:10AM IF KIMMINS OR THE CITY BRINGS A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT BEFORE
10:50:15AM THE COUNCIL, I ASK THAT YOU DENY IT AND REQUEST ONLY A
10:50:21AM DESIGN CONTRACT PROPOSAL.
10:50:24AM BIFURCATION OF THE CONTRACT TO A DESIGN ONLY WILL ENSURE
10:50:29AM THAT THE CITY INVESTIGATE ALTERNATE ROUTES SUCH AS SWANN
10:50:34AM AVENUE TO HOWARD TO BAYSHORE OR SWANN AVENUE ALL THE WAY
10:50:38AM DOWN TO BAYSHORE.
10:50:40AM CONSTRUCTING THE BOX CULVERT CONVEYANCE SYSTEM ON MAIN

10:50:45AM ARTERIES TO CREATE A SPINE OR A TRUNK SYSTEM FOR SMALL PIPES
10:50:52AM TO HOOK UP TO WOULD BE THE BEST PROPOSAL.
10:50:56AM THE CITY SAYS THAT THAT IS HOW THEY INTEND TO USE THIS GIANT
10:51:01AM STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, AS A SPINE OR A TRUNK SYSTEM.
10:51:06AM THOSE ARE THEIR WORDS.
10:51:09AM SO PLEASE APPROVE ONLY A DESIGN ONLY CONTRACT, IF AT ALL,
10:51:15AM UNDER THIS INAPPROPRIATE PROPOSAL OF STORMWATER PROJECT.
10:51:20AM IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY CHOSEN THE ROUTE
10:51:25AM FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THAT ROUTE IS PARKLAND ESTATES DOWN
10:51:28AM HOWARD ONTO BAYSHORE.
10:51:29AM SPECIFICALLY LAKEVIEW AVENUE, BRISTOL AVENUE, HOWARD, AND
10:51:35AM BAYSHORE ARE THEIR PROPOSED ROUTE.
10:51:39AM I'VE GIVEN YOU A DOCUMENT TODAY, A PACKAGE, AND WHEN YOU
10:51:44AM OPEN IT, YOU'LL SEE MY NOTES AUTOMATICALLY.
10:51:47AM ON NUMBER FOUR OF THAT DOCUMENT IS AN INTERNAL E-MAIL FROM
10:51:54AM THE ENGINEERS ON THIS PROJECT.
10:51:58AM AND THEY ARE PROPOSING, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, WE NEED TO TALK
10:52:04AM ABOUT WHY BRISTOL WAS CHOSEN AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE
10:52:08AM ROUTE IS SET.
10:52:11AM I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BRETT SELMAN ON MAY 7 AND
10:52:17AM ASKED HIM WHY HE HADN'T CHOSEN SWANN.
10:52:19AM HE SAID THAT SWANN AVENUE IS ON A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.
10:52:21AM I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE MEANT OR WHY SWANN -- HOWARD OR SWANN
10:52:28AM DOWN TO BAYSHORE WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE GIANT
10:52:32AM CULVERT BOXES.

10:52:34AM BUT I WOULD LIKE MR. SELMAN AND I WOULD LIKE THE ENGINEERS
10:52:36AM TO EXPLAIN WHY SWANN AVENUE WOULD NOT BE AN APPROPRIATE
10:52:40AM PLACE FOR THE CULVERT BOXES.
10:52:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:52:43AM NEXT IS ANDREA ALDERMAN WYNN FOLLOWED BY PASTOR FRANK
10:52:48AM WILLIAMS.
10:52:48AM PASTOR WILLIAMS, YOU WILL BE THE SPEAKER AFTER.
10:52:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:52:53AM ANGELA ALDERMAN WYNN STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY.
10:52:58AM AGAIN, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE LATEST ARTICLE PUBLISHED
10:53:03AM BY PAUL GUZZO IN THE TAMPA TIMES WHO I THINK IMMENSE -- I
10:53:07AM THANK IMMENSELY FOR SHARING THE STORIES WITH THE PUBLIC.
10:53:10AM THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS RATHER SICKENING AND DISGUSTS ME.
10:53:15AM SURPRISES ME, NO, BECAUSE THE ITALIAN CLUB HAS CONTINUED TO
10:53:18AM AVOID ANY DETAILS OF MY GREAT UNCLE'S REMAINS AND THE 1200
10:53:22AM ALONGSIDE HIM.
10:53:23AM I AM GRATEFUL FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO BROUGHT THAT
10:53:26AM INFORMATION TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, AND I THANK YOU SO
10:53:30AM VERY MUCH FOR MAKING THAT PUBLIC AND HAVING THE COURAGE.
10:53:33AM THIS LITERALLY MAKES ME SICK TO SEE THIS BLATANT DISRESPECT
10:53:38AM FOR THOSE BURIED AND DESECRATED THAT RESIDED IN COLLEGE HILL
10:53:42AM CEMETERY.
10:53:42AM THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA, FOR ALWAYS SUPPORTING
10:53:45AM THIS QUEST FOR THE TRUTH AND DOING ALL YOU CAN FOR ANSWERS.
10:53:49AM THE WEAK AND ARROGANT REPLY FROM THE ITALIAN CLUB VICE

10:53:53AM PRESIDENT DON BODIE IS DISGRACEFUL TO THOSE BURIED IN
10:53:58AM COLLEGE HILL, MY FAMILY AND TO THIS CITY.
10:54:00AM THIS TOOK PLACE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND TRUST THAT IF ANY
10:54:04AM BONES ARE FOUND ON THE CITY PROPERTY, THEY CAME FROM COLLEGE
10:54:08AM HILL WHEN THEY BUILT THAT MAUSOLEUM.
10:54:11AM RELEASE YOUR FINDINGS FROM THE SCAN AND TELL THE TRUTH,
10:54:15AM PERIOD.
10:54:16AM IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
10:54:17AM ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR WRONGDOINGS AND MAKE IT
10:54:21AM RIGHT.
10:54:21AM THE REVELATION OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON BEING A MEMBER OF THE
10:54:25AM ITALIAN CLUB AS OF RECENT AND HIS PR FIRM IN WHICH HE
10:54:29AM RESIDES AS PRESIDENT AT TUCKER HALL, AND DOES WORK FOR THE
10:54:32AM ITALIAN CLUB, INCLUDES A HUGE EYE-OPENER FOR ME.
10:54:35AM I HAVE STOOD BEFORE COUNCIL FOR SEVERAL YEARS FIGHTING THIS
10:54:39AM FIGHT AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS VERY AWARE OF MY QUEST.
10:54:44AM I AM ASHAMED AND EXTREMELY IN AWE OF THIS SITUATION.
10:54:46AM THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA SEE IT.
10:54:48AM I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE ANYMORE, WHICH I FIND GREAT COMFORT IN
10:54:51AM THAT.
10:54:51AM I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS BATTLE FOR THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH IS
10:54:55AM BEING TOLD.
10:54:56AM IT GIVES ME GREAT HOPE THAT THE HUMAN RACE THAT THERE ARE
10:54:59AM STILL PEOPLE LEFT IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH INTEGRITY AND
10:55:01AM COMPASSION TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

10:55:03AM THANK YOU TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO STEP UP AND TRULY CARE ABOUT
10:55:05AM THE LOSS.
10:55:08AM WHAT'S NEXT, THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME AND I WILL NOT REST
10:55:11AM UNTIL I FIND 100% CLOSURE TO WHERE MY GREAT UNCLE AND 1200
10:55:15AM OTHERS RESIDE.
10:55:16AM I DEMAND ANSWERS AND I DEMAND MOVEMENT ON THIS ISSUE NOW.
10:55:20AM THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
10:55:23AM IT IS SICKENING.
10:55:24AM THE ITALIAN CLUB NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND I WANT
10:55:26AM ANSWERS.
10:55:27AM I WANT THEM NOW.
10:55:28AM NO MORE SECRET MEETINGS, NO MORE LACK OF EMPATHY.
10:55:31AM I WANT ANSWERS AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY THIS IS SO
10:55:35AM DISRESPECTFUL TO DO THIS TO THOSE LAID TO REST.
10:55:39AM THE SECOND THEY BEGAN DIGGING AND SAW BONES AND TOMBSTONES,
10:55:43AM THEY SHOULD HAVE HALTED.
10:55:46AM I AM ANGRY AND MY HEART HURTS FOR THE 1200 LOST IN THE CITY
10:55:50AM OF TAMPA AS ITS RESIDENTS HAVE TO SIT AND WATCH THIS AND IT
10:55:54AM PROVES THAT THEY ARE CONTINUING TO GET AWAY WITH THIS
10:55:56AM DISRESPECTFUL ACT.
10:55:57AM I'M ALMOST FINISHED.
10:56:01AM I TRULY BELIEVE THE LIGHT OF THOSE 1200 SOULS IS WAY
10:56:04AM BRIGHTER THAN THE DARKNESS BEHIND THOSE TRYING TO KEEP THIS
10:56:07AM SECRET HIDDEN. PRIVATE PROPERTY OR NOT, I DEMAND ANSWERS.
10:56:10AM I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS ONE QUOTE FROM A MAN I TRULY BELIEVE

10:56:15AM IN MY HEART WAS ONE OF THE MOST PRECIOUS SOULS TO WALK THIS
10:56:19AM EARTH.
10:56:21AM ON A VISIT TO TAMPA, LONG, LONG AGO, HE WALKED ASIDE SOME OF
10:56:24AM THOSE CUBANS AND AFRO CUBANS AND AFRO-AMERICAN INDIVIDUALS
10:56:29AM BURIED IN COLLEGE HILL.
10:56:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:56:31AM >> CAN I PLEASE --
10:56:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ENOUGH.
10:56:33AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:34AM >> THANK YOU, GUYS.
10:56:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:56:36AM PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL
10:56:41AM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:56:42AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:42AM THE ATTORNEY STATED THOSE RULES AT THE BEGINNING.
10:56:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO RESPOND
10:56:48AM TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10:56:48AM -- AGAINST ME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WAS A POLITICAL HIT
10:56:54AM PIECE THAT SOMEBODY PUSHED.
10:56:56AM I KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF CITY STAFF WAS INVOLVED,
10:56:59AM WHICH IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL AND UNETHICAL.
10:57:01AM I MADE A FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT.
10:57:03AM I'M ALLOWED TO BE A MEMBER OF ANY ORGANIZATION I WANT.
10:57:07AM I'M ALSO ALLOWED TO, MY STAFF AND MY FIRM ARE ALLOWED TO

10:57:11AM DONATE AND CONTRIBUTE TIME TO ANY ORGANIZATION THEY WANT.
10:57:14AM I'M NOT INVOLVED IN ANY WAY IN THIS ISSUE WITH THE ITALIAN
10:57:21AM CLUB.
10:57:21AM ANYBODY WHO HAS WATCHED CITY COUNCIL KNOWS THAT I'VE BEEN ON
10:57:24AM THE FOREFRONT OF PUSHING FOR ALL THE CEMETERIES AND ALL THE
10:57:28AM DISCOVERY OF CEMETERIES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND I'LL
10:57:30AM CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT, WHEREVER THOSE
10:57:33AM CEMETERIES ARE.
10:57:34AM BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I'D APPRECIATE IT IF EVERYONE -- IF YOU
10:57:36AM HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, CALL ME, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT
10:57:40AM ADVOCACY.
10:57:40AM OF COURSE, I WANT TO FIND ALL THE FAMILIES AND ALL THE
10:57:43AM CEMETERIES AND I WANT TO PROTECT THE CEMETERIES LIKE
10:57:45AM MEMORIAL AND OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED.
10:57:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:57:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO NOT FALL INTO THE POLITICAL
10:57:52AM RHETORIC OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:57:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:57:56AM GOOD MORNING, PASTOR WILLIAMS.
10:57:57AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:57:58AM THE NEXT SPEAKER AFTER PASTOR WILLIAMS IS AILEEN HENDERSON.
10:58:01AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS.
10:58:03AM LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY
10:58:07AM BAPTIST CHURCH.
10:58:08AM YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS COME FROM DIFFERENT ONES,

10:58:14AM BUT NOBODY SEEM TO CARE.
10:58:16AM NOBODY SEEM TO CARE.
10:58:17AM I COME DOWN HERE DAY AFTER DAY, MONTH AFTER MONTH, NOBODY
10:58:24AM GIVE ME NO ANSWER.
10:58:25AM NOBODY GIVE ME NO FEEDBACK OR NOTHING.
10:58:29AM YOU SIT UP THERE LIKE YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN.
10:58:32AM I GOT TO LET YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE THAT GOT UP HERE, THEY
10:58:38AM CARE.
10:58:38AM THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:58:39AM THEY CARE ABOUT AN APARTMENT BEING BUILT AND EVERYTHING
10:58:44AM ELSE.
10:58:44AM BUT YOU ALL DON'T CARE, THE THING ABOUT IT, SOMEBODY GOT TO
10:58:49AM CARE.
10:58:49AM YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU FIX UP YOUR BUDGET, MAKE
10:58:54AM SURE YOU INCLUDE ALL OF US, INCLUDE ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
10:59:00AM WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
10:59:01AM TRYING TO LIVE A GOOD LIFE, BUT YOU ALL DON'T WANT US TO
10:59:04AM LIVE A GOOD LIFE.
10:59:06AM YOU ALL DON'T CARE.
10:59:07AM YOU CARE LESS.
10:59:09AM PEOPLE LIKE ME AND BROTHER WRIGHT RAISED UP TOGETHER, AND HE
10:59:15AM COMING OUT HERE COMPLAINING.
10:59:17AM I COME DOWN HERE COMPLAINING, BUT GET NOTHING DONE.
10:59:22AM I THINK NEXT WEEK, YOU ALL NEED TO GIVE US SOME ANSWERS
10:59:26AM ABOUT A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS AND LISTEN TO US, PLEASE.

10:59:30AM CITIZENS OF TAMPA, BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
10:59:36AM I DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT JACKSON HOUSE.
10:59:40AM DID NOTHING.
10:59:42AM STILL STANDING UP THERE.
10:59:44AM THEY NEED TO BRING THEM DOWN REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE
10:59:47AM GOING TO BUILD JACKSON HOUSE OR NOT.
10:59:50AM THEY NEED TO TELL THEM -- GET OFF THE TRAIN THERE.
10:59:55AM PEOPLE COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING, WHAT IN THE WORLD
10:59:58AM IS THAT?
10:59:59AM AND YOU CAN'T TELL THEM, USED TO BE THE JACKSON HOUSE.
11:00:04AM BUILD UP THE JACKSON HOUSE.
11:00:07AM I'M TALKING ABOUT BUILD UP A NICE ONE AND GIVE THEM THEIR
11:00:11AM LAND BACK.
11:00:12AM LIKE THE PRESIDENT LONG TIME AGO SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE
11:00:18AM THE 40 ACRES AND A MEAL.
11:00:22AM YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T WANT NO MEAL BUT I DO WANT MY 40
11:00:27AM ACRES OF LAND BACK.
11:00:28AM YOU ALL HAD TAKEN FROM.
11:00:30AM AND YOU KNOW I GOT TO GIVE GOD THE GLORY FROM WHERE HE
11:00:34AM BROUGHT US FROM AND WHERE TAKING US TO.
11:00:37AM BUT WE'VE GOT TO STAND UP AS PEOPLE AND RESPECT OURSELVES
11:00:40AM AND YOU ALL NEED TO RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.
11:00:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:00:44AM YES, MA'AM, AILEEN HENDERSON FOLLOWED BY MISSY VET LEWIS.
11:00:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

11:00:56AM NUMBER 92, YELLOW JACKETS.
11:00:59AM THIS HAS MY ATTENTION, AND I WILL BE LISTENING INTENTLY.
11:01:06AM I'M HOPING THE CITY DOES THE RIGHT THING BY THIS HISTORIC
11:01:08AM LITTLE LEAGUE AND MR. WRIGHT.
11:01:10AM NO WORDS.
11:01:14AM I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE I HAVE NO WORDS.
11:01:19AM THE ATROCITY THAT IS UNFOLDING WITH COLLEGE HILL IS JUST
11:01:22AM DESPICABLE.
11:01:23AM BUT AS I SAID TO MY SON THIS MORNING, HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY
11:01:28AM EXPECT AFRICAN AMERICANS TO BE TREATED WITH ANY DIGNITY AND
11:01:34AM RESPECT IN DEATH WHEN THEY ARE TREATED WITH THE SAME
11:01:38AM INDIFFERENCE IN LIFE.
11:01:39AM WHITE PRIVILEGE WILL DENY SOME TO COMPREHEND THIS HORROR
11:01:45AM THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE, NOR WILL IT ALLOW FOR THEM TO
11:01:49AM UNDERSTAND THE STRENGTH AND COURAGE IT TAKES FOR THOSE THAT
11:01:51AM HAVE FOUGHT FOR THE RECOGNITION OF COLLEGE HILL AND THOSE
11:01:55AM THAT ARE EXPOSING THE TRUTH.
11:01:58AM TO THEM, WE ARE A GREAT DEAL OF GRATITUDE, SO THANK YOU.
11:02:04AM WHILE WHITE PRIVILEGE WON'T ALLOW FOR ANY COMPASSION OR
11:02:07AM UNDERSTANDING OF THIS INCREDULOUS STORY UNFOLDING AT COLLEGE
11:02:10AM HILL, I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THE LAW.
11:02:15AM WE HAVE TWO FLORIDA STATUTES, CHAPTER 497 AND CHAPTER 872.
11:02:20AM I MENTIONED AT THE MAY 9 COUNCIL MEETING, CHAPTER 872 AND A
11:02:24AM COUPLE OF VIOLATIONS.
11:02:25AM I SAID THEN I MIGHT FIND MORE AND I DID.

11:02:30AM MAYBE WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO PENETRATE THE HEARTS OF SOME
11:02:33AM AND REALIZING AND RECOGNIZING THE INJUSTICES SUFFERED BY
11:02:37AM PEOPLE OF COLOR, BUT I BET WE CAN GET THEIR ATTENTION WHEN
11:02:41AM THEY ARE CHARGED WITH SECOND AND THIRD DEGREE FELONIES.
11:02:45AM WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO ATTORNEY GENERAL MOODY, INCLUDING
11:02:48AM OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES, AND EXPECTING DELIVERABLE
11:02:52AM ACTIONS.
11:02:52AM AND TO THOSE NAYSAYERS, LET ME REMIND YOU, COLLEGE HILL
11:02:57AM CEMETERY EXISTS.
11:02:58AM THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED TO INCLUDE THE CITY
11:03:00AM RECOGNIZING WITH THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION MARKER.
11:03:04AM TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS.
11:03:07AM THIS IS FAR FROM OVER BY A LONG SHOT.
11:03:09AM THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
11:03:13AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:03:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:03:15AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:03:15AM MS. YVETTE LEWIS FOLLOWED BY MS. MIMI MARTINEZ.
11:03:23AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:03:24AM YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP.
11:03:28AM QUESTIONS, THE NAACP QUESTIONED WHEN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:03:36AM KNOWING AND SAYING IT IS A DIVERSE CITY BUT YET WE DON'T
11:03:39AM HAVE A DIVERSE VOICE IN THIS CITY.
11:03:42AM EAST TAMPA HAS THE LARGEST AND THE FIRST CRA IN THE STATE OF
11:03:50AM FLORIDA, BUT YET WE ARE STILL ASKING FOR THE SIMPLEST

11:03:54AM THINGS.
11:03:55AM THE CRA HAS BEEN PLAGUED WITH PROBLEMS, BUT THE PROBLEMS
11:04:00AM HAVE BEEN CREATED AND CULTIVATED BY THE CITY STAFF FOR OVER
11:04:06AM MANY YEARS, BUT THEY BLAME THE PEOPLE.
11:04:08AM THE NAACP QUESTIONED WHEN THE CITY SAYS WE'RE BUILDING
11:04:15AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN EAST TAMPA.
11:04:17AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL CONTINUES TO GIVE TAX BREAKS TO
11:04:23AM DEVELOPERS IN EAST TAMPA THAT A PERSON CONTINUES TO GIVE TAX
11:04:30AM BREAKS TO DEVELOPERS IN EAST TAMPA, THAT A PERSON BUILDING
11:04:35AM SOMETHING THAT SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT YET A PERSON
11:04:39AM THAT'S WORKING IN EAST TAMPA AT WALMART STARTING SALARY AT
11:04:45AM $13 AN HOUR CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE THERE.
11:04:47AM WE RECEIVE MANY CALLS, WALK-INS AND WALK-INS REGARDING THE
11:04:59AM NEEDS OF TRUE -- TRUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF
11:05:02AM TAMPA.
11:05:03AM THE NAACP QUESTIONS WHY THE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT TELLING THE
11:05:12AM TRUTH WHEN IT COMES TO AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY.
11:05:15AM I WAS JUST AT A PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN SOMEONE SAID TAMPA IS
11:05:22AM GETTING ITS FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MUSEUM.
11:05:26AM IF YOU GO AND TELL THE STORY, TELL THE TRUTH.
11:05:29AM THAT'S NOT THE FIRST.
11:05:33AM WE HAD ONE ONCE BEFORE.
11:05:35AM THE NAACP IS QUESTIONING WHY THE CITY OF TAMPA INVESTS IN
11:05:42AM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO
11:05:47AM INVEST IN ITS RESIDENTS IN EAST TAMPA.

11:05:50AM YOU SEE, PART OF HISTORY, ELLIS YORK, MANY YEARS AGO, WAS
11:05:56AM COMMISSIONED TO EAST TAMPA AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
11:06:01AM RESIDENTS IN EAST TAMPA.
11:06:02AM THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, I COME HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE
11:06:09AM DON'T NEED TO YOU CONTINUE TO INVEST IN SHOTSPOTTER.
11:06:12AM I QUESTION WHY JUST EAST TAMPA GETS THIS WHEN THERE ARE
11:06:18AM SHOOTINGS IN SOUTH TAMPA AND A MYSTERIOUS SHOOTING GOING ON
11:06:21AM IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RIGHT ABOUT NOW.
11:06:23AM I ASK RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU TO INVEST IN ANOTHER ELLIS YORK.
11:06:33AM DO YOUR HISTORY.
11:06:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:06:34AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:35AM MIMI MARTINEZ FOLLOWED BY CARLOS RAMIREZ.
11:06:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:06:41AM MIMI MARTINEZ.
11:06:42AM I AM A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST AND AN ACTIVE WATCH GROUP
11:06:45AM COORDINATOR FOR MY AREA.
11:06:47AM I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:06:50AM FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO IS SITTING
11:06:52AM UP THERE FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
11:06:54AM I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.
11:06:55AM WE MAY NOT ALL AGREE ALL THE TIME ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I
11:06:59AM DO RESPECT YOU.
11:07:00AM I AM HERE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE JUNE 6 AGENDA ITEM
11:07:04AM NUMBER 14 ABOUT THE SHOTSPOTTER.

11:07:09AM I AM IN FAVOR OF IT.
11:07:10AM IT'S BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE
11:07:12AM SHOTSPOTTERS.
11:07:13AM I KNOW IT'S A PAIN POINT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THE TAMPA
11:07:18AM POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A RESIDENT
11:07:21AM PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE
11:07:24AM SHOTSPOTTERS.
11:07:25AM I AM CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO NOT RENEW THIS CONTRACT, IT'S
11:07:30AM GOING TO BE RUINOUS FOR THE ECONOMICAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE
11:07:34AM NEBRASKA AVENUE CORRIDOR.
11:07:35AM SO THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR ME.
11:07:37AM I ALSO KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WHENEVER WE HAVE A SOCIAL
11:07:42AM PROBLEM, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A COMPANY QUICK TO COME
11:07:44AM IN AND GIVE US A SOLUTION FOR A PRICE.
11:07:46AM AND THE SHOTSPOTTER COMPANY IS THE ONE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
11:07:49AM UNTIL WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING ON OUR OWN THAT'S SIMILAR TO
11:07:52AM THAT PROGRAM, IT'S THE BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW.
11:07:56AM I DO WANT TO PROVIDE YOU THREE QUICK STORIES OF HOW I HAVE
11:07:59AM SEEN SHOTSPOTTERS WORK IN MY COMMUNITY.
11:08:02AM RECENTLY IN MAY WE HAD THE SHOOTING ON 26th AVENUE AND
11:08:05AM NEBRASKA AVENUE.
11:08:06AM AT THE SAME TIME I WAS TEXTING A NEIGHBOR ABOUT BORRELL PARK
11:08:10AM AND SHE SAID, HEY, I HEARD SHOTS.
11:08:13AM I TOLD HER POLICE WOULD COME BECAUSE SHOTSPOTTER WOULD ALERT
11:08:15AM THEM.

11:08:16AM SURE ENOUGH, SIRENS CAME, POLICE CAME, THEY INVESTIGATED,
11:08:18AM THEY WERE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE AND THEY MADE AN ARREST ON THE
11:08:21AM PERSON WHO KILLED THOSE TWO PEOPLE.
11:08:23AM I RECENTLY FOUND OUT ON MONDAY FROM A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION
11:08:26AM THAT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT TOLD ME THAT YOUNG LADY WHO WAS
11:08:30AM KILLED WAS IN THEIR PROGRAM THAT SPECIALIZES IN HELPING
11:08:35AM WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN SEX TRAFFICKED HERE IN THE CITY OF
11:08:38AM TAMPA.
11:08:38AM AFTER THAT SHOOTING OCCURRED, THEY HAD AN INFLUX OF WOMEN GO
11:08:44AM IN THERE ASKING FOR HELP BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THEY WOULD
11:08:46AM BE SHOT NEXT.
11:08:47AM NEBRASKA AVENUE IS INFAMOUS FOR SEX TRAFFICKING.
11:08:51AM ALSO IN ABOUT 2019 TOWARDS THE END, I HEARD GUNSHOTS.
11:08:57AM I KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO COME THE POLICE.
11:09:00AM SHORTLY AFTERWARDS I HEARD SOMEONE YELLING FOR HELP.
11:09:03AM I LOOK OUT MY BEDROOM WINDOW, THERE IS A MAN JUMPING OVER MY
11:09:06AM NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.
11:09:07AM COLLAPSES ON THEIR FRONT PORCH AND BLEEDING.
11:09:09AM I CALLED 911 FOR AN AMBULANCE.
11:09:12AM BECAUSE THE POLICE WERE IN THE AREA ALREADY, THEY WERE ABLE
11:09:14AM TO RESPOND AND ABLE TO GET HIM THE MEDICAL TREATMENT THAT HE
11:09:17AM NEEDED.
11:09:18AM I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
11:09:20AM WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN A GAME OF CATCH-UP OF HOW MANY
11:09:25AM POLICE OFFICERS WE HAVE PER PERSON IN THE CITY BECAUSE OUR

11:09:28AM POPULATION IS GROWING AND WE HAVE TOURISTS THAT ALWAYS COME
11:09:30AM IN.
11:09:31AM THE POLICE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SHIFTING FROM ONE CORNER
11:09:33AM OF TAMPA TO ANOTHER CORNER BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING
11:09:36AM GOING ON IN THE AREA.
11:09:39AM IT'S JUST A REALLY TOUGH DECISION BECAUSE SHOTSPOTTER DOES
11:09:43AM NOT DETECT PEOPLE, DETECT SOUND, BUT PEOPLE DO PROFILE
11:09:48AM PEOPLE.
11:09:49AM BE CAREFUL.
11:09:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:09:50AM NEXT IS CARLOS RAMIREZ FOLLOWED BY BISHOP MICHELLE PATTY.
11:09:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:09:57AM CARLOS RAMIREZ HERE AS VICE-CHAIR OF WEST TAMPA CRA CAC,
11:10:04AM WHICH INCLUDES ABOUT A DOZEN ORGANIZATIONS ALL LOCATED IN
11:10:07AM WEST TAMPA, INCLUDING THE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OF
11:10:11AM WEST RIVER FRONT, OLD WEST TAMPA, AND NORTH HYDE PARK.
11:10:15AM I'M ALSO HERE AS A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER WHO HAS DEDICATED
11:10:19AM 20 YEARS OF HIS CAREER FOR SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS AND
11:10:23AM CYCLISTS.
11:10:24AM WE WANT TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE WEST RIVER WALK.
11:10:29AM THIS PROJECT WILL BEGIN LOW-COST MOBILITY OPTIONS TO A
11:10:32AM BLIGHTED AREA.
11:10:33AM IT WILL CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS TO PARKS AND ENTERTAINMENT.
11:10:36AM IT WILL BRING WEST TAMPA RESIDENTS TO JOBS.
11:10:39AM IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE US, WHO LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE, A

11:10:42AM CONNECTION TO THE RIVER.
11:10:42AM THIS IS A MUCH-NEEDED PROJECT FOR MY AREA AND A KEY PIECE
11:10:50AM THAT WEST TAMPA HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD FOR.
11:10:52AM PLEASE ALLOW THE PROJECT TO CONTINUE.
11:10:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:10:55AM GOOD MORNING, BISHOP MICHELLE PATTY FOLLOWED BY MR. RAY
11:10:58AM REED.
11:10:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:11:00AM MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
11:11:02AM I AM IN A THOUSAND PERCENT AGREEMENT FOR THE SHOTSPOTTER.
11:11:09AM ON MONDAY, A YOUNG LADY CALLED ME.
11:11:12AM HER SON WAS MURDERED IN NOVEMBER ON THE CORNER OF 34th
11:11:16AM STREET.
11:11:17AM THEY DID NOT FIND THE KILLER BECAUSE THAT AREA IS A NO
11:11:22AM SNITCH ZONE.
11:11:24AM SO THE PEOPLE ARE NOT SUPPORTING OR HELPING THE POLICE FIND
11:11:28AM OUT WHO KILLED WHOM.
11:11:30AM HER SON'S MURDERER WAS CAUGHT AFTER THE YOUNG MAN, 17 YEARS
11:11:35AM OLD, SHOT PEOPLE OVER AT ARMATURE WORKS.
11:11:38AM THEY TOOK THE BULLET AND BALLISTICS SHOWED THAT HE HAD
11:11:42AM KILLED HER SON BUT HE HAD KILLED THREE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
11:11:45AM THEY THINK HE IS CONNECTED TO STARTING AT THE AGE OF 13.
11:11:49AM ALL GUNS ARE NOT COMING FROM THE VEHICLES.
11:11:53AM YOU CAN GO TO THE GUN SHOWS AND YOU CAN BUY THE LONG GUNS,
11:11:57AM THE ASSAULT RIFLE, SO THEY ARE NOT ALL COMING OUT OF

11:12:00AM PEOPLE'S CARS.
11:12:01AM PEOPLE ARE SO MISLED ABOUT THE SHOTSPOTTER.
11:12:05AM WHAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOLKS THAT COME UP IN HERE,
11:12:10AM THEY ARE THE ONES OUT TELLING PEOPLE NO SNITCH, DON'T DO
11:12:13AM THIS AND THAT.
11:12:14AM BUT UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR CHILD OR YOUR GRANDCHILD MURDERED,
11:12:18AM THEN LET'S SEE IF YOU WOULD NOT WANT SOMEONE TO TELL WHO
11:12:22AM KILLED WHOM.
11:12:22AM FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASPIRATIONS OF BEING A MAYOR AND ALL
11:12:26AM THIS KIND OF STUFF, PUT YOUR POLITICS ASIDE AND THINK ABOUT
11:12:30AM CHILDREN THAT ARE BEING MURDERED JUST RIDING IN A CAR.
11:12:33AM THE DATA SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
11:12:35AM IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING RACIAL.
11:12:37AM IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE BEING KILLED IN A CERTAIN AREA ONCE A
11:12:42AM WEEK, TWICE A WEEK.
11:12:43AM WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE KILLED THREE AND FOUR TIMES IN ONE
11:12:46AM WEEK.
11:12:46AM SO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE DATA IS TELLING YOU ALL.
11:12:50AM IT IS SIMPLE.
11:12:51AM THIRDLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SO THERE WOULD BE NO
11:12:54AM MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHO IS DOING WHAT WITH THEIR TAGGING
11:12:58AM CLUB, WHO IS A MEMBER OR NOT.
11:13:00AM LET SOMEBODY HAVE THE SAME COURAGE AS OUR COUNCILWOMAN HAS
11:13:03AM DONE.
11:13:04AM MAKE A MOTION TO DO A FULL-SCALE INVESTIGATION AND BRING IT

11:13:07AM TO THE PEOPLE SO WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS WHO AND WHAT'S
11:13:13AM WHAT.
11:13:13AM THE YELLOW JACKET LITTLE LEAGUE, WE NEED TO STAND UP AND
11:13:17AM SUPPORT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY
11:13:19AM WERE ENTITLED TO, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE IT HAS MADE A
11:13:24AM DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES.
11:13:26AM I'M A NATIVE, BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY.
11:13:29AM I'M NOT ONE OF THESE PEOPLE JUST FLY OFF THE HANDLE, ATTACK
11:13:33AM PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGGER THAN OTHER FOLKS, AND ON THAT
11:13:36AM NOTE, I WANT TO THANK THE STATE ATTORNEY OFFICE FOR DOING
11:13:39AM THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO LET SENIORS SUCH AS MYSELF KNOW THAT
11:13:43AM YOU WILL BE PROTECTED IN THIS CITY FROM PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO
11:13:48AM ATTACK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP HERE AND
11:13:50AM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.
11:13:52AM SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, ONCE AGAIN, THE SHOTSPOTTER IT
11:13:57AM WOULD HELP THE POLICE FIND OUT WHO SHOT WHOM QUICKLY.
11:14:02AM PEOPLE SAYING NO SNITCH.
11:14:03AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:14:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:06AM IF WE COULD PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CONVERSATIONS HERE AND IN
11:14:15AM THE BACK AND IN THE ROOM, IT'S DISTRACTING.
11:14:18AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:19AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:19AM GOOD MORNING, MR. REED.
11:14:21AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

11:14:22AM WE HAVE YOU, FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
11:14:25AM MS. CONNIE BURTON.
11:14:26AM >> I WILL BE HOPEFULLY WITHIN MY THREE MINUTES.
11:14:29AM SHUT ME OFF WHEN I RUN OVER.
11:14:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
11:14:33AM >> I WORE THIS FOR YOU, MR. MIRANDA.
11:14:35AM YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER HELEN CHAVEZ AND DIGNITY.
11:14:41AM THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN HER LIFE WAS SWEATY MEN WITH THEIR
11:14:44AM SHIRTS OFF AT TAMPA STADIUM.
11:14:51AM GO BACK TO THOSE DAYS, NOW WE HAVE CEMETERIES UNDER FOOT
11:14:53AM THAT WE TOTALLY DISRESPECTED AND DISHONORED THE OCCUPANTS.
11:15:00AM YOU'VE GOT A SPREADSHEET FROM THE TAB FROM 1895 THROUGH
11:15:04AM 1939, EVERYTHING I COULD FIND WHILE LAYING IN BED ONLINE ARE
11:15:11AM THOSE BURIED AT COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY.
11:15:14AM I'M AT 1502 AND STILL SOME DATA SOURCES MISSING.
11:15:17AM MR. GUZZO USED NUMBERS THAT I HAD COME UP WITH ONLY USING
11:15:22AM TWO DATA SOURCES.
11:15:23AM I NOW HAVE FOUR AND OTHERS OUT THERE.
11:15:25AM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF -- THERE IS A COVER LETTER AS WELL.
11:15:30AM TO ME, IT MATTERS THE WHO.
11:15:33AM WE CAN ARGUE OVER WHO DID WHAT OR BLAME THIS ORGANIZATION,
11:15:38AM BLAME THAT ORGANIZATION, OH, BY THE WAY, MY DAD'S FATHER
11:15:42AM JUMPED SHIP IN NEW YORK CITY.
11:15:43AM HE WAS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
11:15:45AM SPOKE FLUENT ITALIAN.

11:15:47AM THAT IS THE ONLY THING HE SPOKE.
11:15:49AM HE WAS FROM THE BOOT.
11:15:51AM I HAVE NO AX TO GRIND.
11:15:54AM I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE DIGNITY AND DEATH THAT THEY --
11:15:59AM DIGNITY IN DEATH THAT THEY MOST LIKELY WERE NEVER GIVEN IN
11:16:02AM LIFE HERE.
11:16:03AM I KEEP WORKING ON MY SPREAD SHEETS, AND OTHERS ARE FINDING
11:16:06AM OUT WHERE THE BOUNDARIES ARE, BUT IN THE COVER LETTER I
11:16:09AM SENT, I USED A CONTRAST WITH OWN WOODLAWN CEMETERY.
11:16:13AM AND HOW MESSED UP THAT WAS IN THE FIRST YEARS.
11:16:18AM IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET A
11:16:21AM FEDERAL GRANT FOR GROUND-PENETRATING RADAR, THE BEST THERE
11:16:25AM IS AND EVERY BLESSED CEMETERY THAT EXISTS TODAY OR BEEN
11:16:29AM ERASED OR SKETCHY, WHO WAS HERE BEFORE WORLD WAR I, 1920.
11:16:35AM SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO GROUND PENETRATING RADAR THERE BECAUSE
11:16:38AM YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.
11:16:42AM I STARTED THIS EIGHT YEARS AGO.
11:16:50AM YOU WERE AT A NORTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
11:16:53AM PICNIC.
11:16:54AM I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET BACK TO YOUR OFFICE.
11:16:56AM 30th AND SLIGH.
11:16:59AM I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T.
11:17:00AM PAUL GUZZO ACTUALLY LISTENED TO ME, I WAS JUST A CRAZY GUY.
11:17:07AM ALL THESE DEATH CERTIFICATES THAT THE MORMONS HAVE ONLINE.
11:17:13AM THE HISTORY OF TAMPA, PRIOR SPEAKERS, THE HISTORY OF BLACK

11:17:19AM TAMPA, WHITE TAMPA, BROWN TAMPA, WHEN YOU GO BACK ON
11:17:24AM NEWSPAPERS.COM AND READ THE ACTUAL EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE,
11:17:30AM WE'RE IN FANTASY LAND RIGHT NOW.
11:17:32AM WE'RE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.
11:17:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:17:34AM >> TAKE CARE.
11:17:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:17:35AM NEXT WE HAVE MS. CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT AND
11:17:39AM ARLENE MURRAY.
11:17:40AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
11:17:41AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:17:47AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:17:50AM AS WE CONTINUE WITH THE CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH, JUST LIKE
11:17:55AM THAT, SOME CITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE
11:18:01AM CITY OF MARYLAND, THE GOVERNOR PARDONED 175,000 MARIJUANA
11:18:11AM PARAPHERNALIA SO PEOPLE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR LIVES.
11:18:15AM IN CHICAGO, 550,000 HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR A TASK FORCE ON A
11:18:23AM STUDY OF REPARATIONS.
11:18:24AM AND RIGHT HERE IN THIS CITY, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IS THE DATE
11:18:28AM CERTAIN FOR THE 568 RACIAL RECONCILIATION GROUP WILL MEET,
11:18:35AM BUT WE ARE STILL WAITING BECAUSE WE HAVE A VAST OF THINGS
11:18:37AM THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
11:18:41AM UNFORTUNATELY, JUNE 1st RIGHT OVER THERE IN THE BRAND-NEW
11:18:45AM BUILT CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE AREA, DOUBLE HOMICIDE.
11:18:49AM TWO PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES.

11:18:54AM BUT I BET YOU CAN'T PUT UP NO SHOT SPOTTERS OVER THERE.
11:18:59AM NONE OF THOSE BIG OL' BLUE FLASHING LIGHTS OVER THERE.
11:19:03AM YOU KNOW WHY?
11:19:04AM BECAUSE THOSE THAT PAY MARKET RENT WOULD PROBABLY SOON ABORT
11:19:09AM THE PLACE.
11:19:10AM IF WE WANTED TO TRULY END THE ISSUES OF VIOLENCE IN OUR
11:19:16AM COMMUNITY, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED WELL IS HOW
11:19:19AM TO MOVE EVERYONE ALONG ECONOMICALLY.
11:19:23AM THAT'S WHAT THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION GROUP WOULD DO.
11:19:28AM HOW DO WE BUILD WEALTH?
11:19:29AM HOW DO WE GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY SO WE CAN MOVE THEM
11:19:33AM FROM A PLACE OF HOPELESSNESS TOWARD REAL GROWTH?
11:19:36AM YOU TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING STREETCAR.
11:19:41AM I KNOW PEOPLE GOT THEIR LITTLE PET PROJECTS UP THERE IN THE
11:19:44AM RIVERWALK, BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PET PROJECTS THAT YOU FAIL
11:19:49AM ON IS THE ONE BACK IN 2018, ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO, YOU TALKED
11:19:57AM ABOUT SOME OF YOU THAT WAS HERE, TALKED ABOUT HOUSING
11:20:01AM CHOICES.
11:20:02AM WE KNEW THAT WHEN DOMAIN HOMES TOOK THOSE LOTS THAT WE WOULD
11:20:06AM NEVER BE, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IN EAST TAMPA WOULD BE ABLE
11:20:08AM TO TOUCH THOSE PROPERTIES.
11:20:11AM THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE HOMES WOULD BE UP TO
11:20:14AM $224,000.
11:20:17AM THOSE HOUSES NOW SELLING IN EAST TAMPA IS RUNNING ALMOST
11:20:20AM HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

11:20:21AM WE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS COUNCIL OR THIS ADMINISTRATION COME
11:20:28AM WITH A DIFFERENT HOUSING PRODUCT THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE IN
11:20:33AM EAST TAMPA TO LIVE.
11:20:35AM WE TALKED ABOUT ADLs, ACCESSORY DEALING WITH UNITS, WHERE
11:20:42AM ARE THEY?
11:20:43AM IT IS CONVERSATION ONLY.
11:20:44AM SO SIX YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE THAT WAS THERE HAD POLITICAL
11:20:49AM ASPIRATION TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOUSING, WE'RE STILL
11:20:53AM WAITING.
11:20:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:20:55AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
11:20:56AM NEXT IS MENTESNOT FOLLOWED BY MS. ARLENE MURRAY.
11:21:01AM >> MESS TESS NOT.
11:21:02AM UHURU.
11:21:04AM MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
11:21:05AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
11:21:08AM FREEDOM.
11:21:08AM ONE THING AS A PARENT, ONE THING, I GOT ONE OF MY SONS HERE
11:21:11AM WITH ME NOW.
11:21:12AM I HAVE MANY OF THEM.
11:21:13AM SONS AND DAUGHTERS.
11:21:14AM I SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN LIFE IS TO BE GOOD AND BE
11:21:19AM BLACK.
11:21:19AM EVERYTHING ELSE GOING TO BE OKAY.
11:21:21AM I WANT TO SAY RIGHT HERE, I SEE MR. WRIGHT IS HERE, SEE

11:21:24AM OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
11:21:25AM I WANT TO SAY NO LEADERSHIP.
11:21:27AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS.
11:21:29AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SPOT SHOTTERS, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT
11:21:33AM YOUR RECREATION CENTERS.
11:21:34AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR JACKSON HOUSE.
11:21:36AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT NONE OF THAT.
11:21:37AM IT'S GARBAGE.
11:21:39AM IT'S STRAIGHT GARBAGE.
11:21:40AM THE PEOPLE SIT HERE AND TELL YOU ABOUT THE SHOTSPOTTERS AND
11:21:46AM COMPLAIN THE MOST AND BRING THE NONSENSE TO YOU, BUT THEY
11:21:49AM DON'T TELL YOU.
11:21:51AM THEY SAY, WELL, I GOT A RELATIVE THAT GOT MURDERED.
11:21:54AM DIDN'T TELL YOU THEY GOT MURDERED AT GANDY AND DALE MABRY OR
11:21:57AM GOT MURDERED MAKING A DRUG DEAL.
11:22:00AM I'LL PUT IT OUT THERE.
11:22:01AM I'LL PUT IT OUT THERE.
11:22:02AM COME DOWN HERE WITH THEIR HANDS OUT BEGGING, BEGGING WHITE
11:22:05AM FOLKS FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY GETTING PART OF IT.
11:22:08AM THEY GETTING PART OF IT.
11:22:11AM YOU UNDERSTAND, THE GARBAGE.
11:22:14AM THE GARBAGE TALK.
11:22:14AM WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
11:22:16AM WE WANT TO KNOW REAL THINGS.
11:22:18AM WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN VIRGINIA, WHAT'S

11:22:21AM GOING ON IN MARYLAND, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN
11:22:24AM CHICAGO, WHERE THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT REAL THINGS.
11:22:28AM REPARATIONS.
11:22:29AM REPARATIONS.
11:22:31AM HOUSING.
11:22:33AM DIGNITY FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
11:22:35AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR CEMETERIES.
11:22:36AM I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW.
11:22:38AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.
11:22:39AM YOU ALL WHITE FOLKS ALWAYS FOOLING AFRICANS.
11:22:44AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY ONE WAY OR
11:22:46AM ANOTHER.
11:22:47AM WE USED TO WALK THROUGH IT WHERE BODIES USED TO BE COMING UP
11:22:50AM OUT OF IT.
11:22:51AM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.
11:22:52AM YOU UNDERSTAND.
11:22:53AM BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
11:22:55AM CEMETERIES AND DEAD BODIES, WHEN THE WHITE FOLKS GOT HERE,
11:22:59AM IT WAS 200 MILLION INDIANS.
11:23:02AM [ LAUGHTER ]
11:23:03AM IT'S 9 MILLION NOW.
11:23:04AM GENOCIDE IN THE WORST WAY.
11:23:09AM MILLIONS OF AFRICANS BROUGHT FROM AFRICA AND SLAVES, LIFE
11:23:14AM EXPECTANCY AFTER THEY GOT TO AMERICA, THREE YEARS.
11:23:16AM WORKED US TO DEATH.

11:23:19AM AND YOU ALL SITTING UP HERE TALKING ABOUT SHOTSPOTTERS AND
11:23:22AM ALL THIS OTHER NONSENSE.
11:23:24AM IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CRIME AND ABOUT GUNS AND
11:23:28AM GUN VIOLENCE, TALK ABOUT THE GUN MANUFACTURERS.
11:23:30AM TALK ABOUT THAT.
11:23:32AM TALK ABOUT REALITY.
11:23:35AM AND THIS NONSENSE YOU ALL GOT ABOUT SIGN A CARD TO SPEAK,
11:23:39AM IT'S RACIST.
11:23:40AM IT'S PLAIN STRAIGHT OUT RACIST.
11:23:42AM NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
11:23:45AM I ASK THE WHITE MAN, I SAY, HEY, HOW YOU ALL CAME UP WITH
11:23:48AM THAT?
11:23:48AM THEY SAID SOMEBODY SUGGESTED IT.
11:23:50AM SOMEBODY SUGGESTED 23, 26 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION AND WE
11:23:55AM WANT 26 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET.
11:23:57AM I'VE BEEN SUGGESTING THAT FOR 30 SOME YEARS.
11:23:59AM HAVE WE GOTTEN THAT?
11:24:00AM NO, BECAUSE -- IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
11:24:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:24:06AM NEXT IS MS. ARLENE MURRAY AND THEN WE GO TO THE VIRTUAL
11:24:12AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:24:29AM >> MY NAME IS ARLENE MURRAY.
11:24:31AM I'M AN 83-YEAR-OLD BLACK AMERICAN FEMALE.
11:24:40AM I WAS HERE THE LAST TIME, I WANTED TO TELL YOU, YES, I DO.
11:24:48AM VERY CLEVER.

11:24:50AM VERY CLEVER.
11:24:52AM YOUNG KIDS ARE CLEVER THAN YOU.
11:24:55AM OKAY.
11:24:56AM YOU SAY AH, WE'VE GOT MONEY OVER THERE.
11:25:04AM MHMM.
11:25:05AM YOU NEVER, OH, PEOPLE OF COLOR, POOR PEOPLE -- OH, WELL, WE
11:25:17AM GIVE MONEY TO BUILD -- OH, KNOW, YOU DIDN'T.
11:25:23AM 40 ACRES.
11:25:27AM WE GET THAT.
11:25:30AM WE WANT HOMES FOR OUR POOR PEOPLE.
11:25:35AM OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING TAXES.
11:25:38AM AND HELPING YOU ALL.
11:25:41AM OH, HMH.
11:25:43AM MAIN STREET.
11:25:46AM WHEN I MOVED DOWN HERE, THEY WERE GOING TO CLEAN UP MAIN
11:25:51AM STREET.
11:25:52AM THEY CLEAN IT UP.
11:25:53AM YOU NEVER ASKED THE PEOPLE, WELL, WE CAN HELP YOU MOVE BACK
11:26:00AM IN.
11:26:01AM NO, YOU CLEAN IT UP SO -- MOVE BACK IN.
11:26:08AM WE CAN'T PAY THE RENT.
11:26:11AM AND WE'RE PUT -- SOMETHING ELSE.
11:26:15AM SOMETHING ELSE.
11:26:17AM PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED HERE BEFORE EVERYBODY HAS LIVED HERE,
11:26:29AM BUILDINGS AND COVER OUR GRAVES.

11:26:31AM AND LOOK, YOU TAKE LIFE AWAY, THE FOLKS AROUND HISTORY KNOW
11:26:50AM IT WILL NOT BE DONE BECAUSE ME AND PEOPLE LIKE ME WILL TELL
11:26:57AM OUR SONS, DAUGHTERS, GRANDSONS, KEEP THEM THE WAY -- WE PUT
11:27:09AM THE IDEAS IN THEIR HEADS OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.
11:27:11AM WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AND THE BIGGEST THING HERE VOTE FOR THE
11:27:17AM GOOD AND VOTE FOR WHAT YOU DON'T WANT.
11:27:22AM YOU -- YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO LEARN IT'S COMING.
11:27:28AM IT'S COMING.
11:27:30AM IT'S COMING.
11:27:33AM THANK YOU.
11:27:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:27:34AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:34AM WE HAVE SOME VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.
11:27:38AM I HAVE SIX SHOWN HERE.
11:27:41AM MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH IS FIRST.
11:27:43AM GOOD MORNING, MR. RANDOLPH.
11:27:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:27:45AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH, AND I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA
11:27:50AM CDC.
11:27:52AM TODAY, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON TWO MATTERS OF IMPORTANCE.
11:27:56AM THE FIRST IS THE RETURN OF THE YELLOW JACKET TEAM BACK TO
11:28:01AM ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION.
11:28:02AM THE WEST TAMPA CDC AND THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY DEMANDS THAT
11:28:08AM IT BE RETURNED BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.
11:28:10AM THE SECOND IS RELATED TO ZION CEMETERY.

11:28:15AM I'M THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE ZION CEMETERY SOCIETY.
11:28:21AM OVER 400 BODIES LAY UNDERGROUND FORGOTTEN.
11:28:26AM THREE BUSINESSES IN -- THREE BUSINESSES ARE OVER TOP OF
11:28:30AM THESE PEOPLE.
11:28:31AM TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY AND TWO OTHER BUSINESSES.
11:28:33AM THE NEW TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY IS LEADING THE EFFORT TO
11:28:37AM RIGHT THEIR WRONGS, PAST WRONGS.
11:28:40AM BOTH IN TIME AND MONEY.
11:28:41AM CLOSE TO $8 MILLION WILL BE RAISED TO INCLUDE AND INVEST IN
11:28:47AM THIS INVESTMENT TO CHANGE WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT
11:28:51AM HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN.
11:28:53AM -- FROM THE BODIES THAT HAVE BASICALLY BEEN BUILT ON AND I
11:29:03AM -- OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, YOU WILL BE HEARING A LOT ABOUT
11:29:09AM THE ZION CEMETERY IN AN EFFORT TO BRING KNOWLEDGE TO IT ON
11:29:14AM TALK SHOWS, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS WILL BE CONTACTED, SOCIAL
11:29:17AM MEDIA, AND ALL THOSE OTHER OUTLETS WILL BE BROUGHT UP TO
11:29:24AM PAR.
11:29:24AM LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN IT COMES TO THE 400 PEOPLE
11:29:27AM BURIED UNDERGROUND.
11:29:29AM I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION THE OTHER TWO BUSINESSES THAT'S
11:29:32AM PART OF THE NARRATIVE RIGHT NOW, BUT -- I ONLY SAY LET'S
11:29:38AM MOVE IT.
11:29:39AM LET'S NOT FOR THERE THE 400 -- FORGET THE 400 SOULS.
11:29:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:29:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:29:47AM ROBERT FENNEL.
11:29:50AM IS ROBERT FANELL ON.
11:29:53AM GOOD MORNING, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:29:55AM MR. FANELL.
11:29:58AM LET'S GO BACK TO HIM.
11:30:21AM IS MILTON FOSTER ON?
11:30:22AM MR. FANELL, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:30:30AM OKAY.
11:30:35AM MILTON FOSTER IS NOT ON YOU SAID.
11:30:37AM J.M. WILLIAMS OR MS. J.M. WILLIAMS.
11:30:40AM NO.
11:30:40AM NATE WELCH.
11:30:42AM MR. WELCH, IF YOU ARE ON, NO.
11:30:45AM REMER McINTIRE.
11:30:46AM MR. McINTIRE, ARE YOU ON?
11:30:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:30:56AM OH, YOU ALREADY DID.
11:30:58AM >> THIS IS REMER McINTIRE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE YELLOW
11:31:01AM JACKETS SITUATION ABOUT THE FIELD.
11:31:02AM I'LL GO A DIFFERENT TUNE.
11:31:06AM I REMEMBER 2022 A LITTLE GIRL FROM PALMA CEIA WROTE A LETTER
11:31:16AM TO THE MAYOR STATING THEY DON'T HAVE A SOFTBALL FIELD TO
11:31:19AM PLAY ON.
11:31:21AM SOMEHOW THE MAYOR FOUND HOW MUCH FUNDING IT WAS TO GET A
11:31:24AM SOFTBALL FIELD IN THE PALMA CEIA AREA.

11:31:27AM I FIND THAT VERY IRONIC CONSIDERING THAT THE YELLOW JACKETS
11:31:32AM HAS THE ONE FIELD WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A SOFTBALL FIELD.
11:31:35AM GROWING UP PLAYING WITH THE YELLOW JACKETS WAS GREAT
11:31:45AM COMMUNITY ATMOSPHERE.
11:31:46AM NOW WITH THEM RELOCATED IT'S LIKE ALL OF THAT COMMUNITY IS
11:31:49AM GONE.
11:31:49AM WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:31:55AM YELLOW JACKETS I CONSIDER TO BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM ALL
11:31:58AM THOSE PARKS.
11:31:59AM A LOT OF THE PARKS WERE RENTING OUT, TO TEAMS.
11:32:06AM THOSE ARE THE TEAMS WITH THE KIDS THAT HOPE TO GO
11:32:08AM PROFESSIONAL, PLAY PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL.
11:32:10AM YELLOW JACKETS, WE'RE TRYING TO GET KIDS SOMETHING POSITIVE
11:32:14AM TO DO IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
11:32:15AM WE HAVE THE TEAMS CHARGING KIDS UP TO $500 PER MONTH, EVERY
11:32:21AM KID.
11:32:21AM AND WE'RE STILL SITTING AROUND AT THE YELLOW JACKETS.
11:32:25AM THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE LIGHTING.
11:32:27AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLE SITUATION AT THE YELLOW JACKETS,
11:32:30AM IT'S A WOODEN POLE.
11:32:31AM I DO BELIEVE PER THE CITY THOSE POLES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
11:32:35AM REPLACED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
11:32:37AM IN ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:32:41AM ALL THE OTHER PARKS HAVE THE UPDATED LIGHT SYSTEM.
11:32:47AM IT SEEMS LIKE THE YELLOW JACKETS -- THESE PARKS STILL HAVE

11:32:53AM THAT POLE, BAD LIGHTING.
11:32:54AM A LITTLE NINE, TEN-YEAR-OLD GIRL CAN WRITE A LETTER AND GET
11:32:59AM 400, 500 THOUSAND DOLLARS, HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS TO RAISE TO
11:33:02AM GET A SOFTBALL FIELD AND WE CAN'T GET THE SIMPLE THINGS, THE
11:33:06AM YELLOW JACKETS IS A PARK DIFFERENT FROM ALL THESE PARKS LIKE
11:33:09AM I SAY.
11:33:10AM NO KID HAS EVER PAID A FEE TO PAY AT THE YELLOW JACKETS AND
11:33:14AM SOMEHOW THAT PARK IS STILL AROUND.
11:33:15AM MR. WRIGHT DO EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO MAKE SURE EVERY KID
11:33:19AM CAN PLAY AT THAT PARK FOR FREE.
11:33:21AM AND WE CAN'T GET THE SIMPLE THINGS FOR THE KIDS' SAFETY.
11:33:25AM GOD FORBID A KID HAPPEN TO GET HURT AT THAT PARK BECAUSE THE
11:33:28AM LIGHTS DON'T WORK, THE CLAY IS TOO HARD AND SOFTBALL FIELD.
11:33:33AM BALL BOUNCE UP HITS A KID IN THE EYE.
11:33:35AM WE'LL BE SPEAKING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THEN.
11:33:37AM SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE IT RIGHT AND GET THE YELLOW JACKETS
11:33:42AM WHAT THEY NEED.
11:33:42AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:33:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:33:44AM ONE FINAL TIME, I'LL GO BACK TO MR. FANELL.
11:33:49AM THAT WILL BE THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:33:51AM IS HE ON?
11:33:54AM MR. FANELL, ARE YOU ON?
11:33:57AM MR. FANELL, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU ARE ABLE TO SPEAK.
11:34:08AM ALL RIGHT.

11:34:08AM WE'LL CONTINUE WITH A FEW ITEMS.
11:34:10AM BEFORE WE GO TO LUNCH, I'LL DO A FINAL CALL.
11:34:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION, IF THEY DON'T
11:34:16AM RESPOND, THEN YOU ARE GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY RATHER
11:34:19AM THAN COME BACK.
11:34:21AM IT'S --
11:34:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:34:22AM PUBLIC COMMENT IS DONE.
11:34:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:24AM BEFORE WE GO TO THE CHIEF, THERE WAS A REQUEST DURING PUBLIC
11:34:28AM COMMENT ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 74, SETTING IT FOR -- WELL, A
11:34:33AM REQUEST OF DISMISSAL.
11:34:34AM YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, SIR.
11:34:36AM CAN WE SET IT FOR AUGUST 1st AS REQUESTED?
11:34:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST PLEASE BE
11:34:43AM AWARE THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER OF YOUR RULES BY
11:34:46AM SUPERMAJORITY BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY HAD TWO REVIEW HEARINGS
11:34:51AM SET FOR THAT DAY.
11:34:52AM GO TO A THIRD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIVE THE RULES BY A VOTE
11:34:56AM OF FIVE.
11:34:56AM THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE THAT ONLY HAS ONE ABOUT TO BE SET ON
11:35:00AM THE CONSENT DOCKET, A SECOND ONE, WOULD BE ALL THE WAY IN
11:35:03AM SEPTEMBER.
11:35:04AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LET MR. SHIMBERG SPEAK TO THAT.
11:35:06AM HE'S NOT THE PERSON SEEKING THE REVIEW.

11:35:10AM HE IS THE APPLICANT OF THE ORIGINAL UNDERLYING DECISION OF
11:35:13AM THE VRB.
11:35:14AM DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY?
11:35:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:35:20AM AS HE SAID, SEPTEMBER WOULD BE THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE.
11:35:22AM >> RIGHT.
11:35:23AM I'M ASKING IF COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER WAIVING THE RULES
11:35:26AM BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY BEING PREJUDICED BY THE PERSON
11:35:28AM APPEALING.
11:35:29AM THEY SENT IN A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE AND DIDN'T EVEN ASK
11:35:33AM FOR A DATE.
11:35:35AM FOR THEM THEY WOULD JUST AS SOON HAVE IT GOES AS LONG AS
11:35:38AM POSSIBLE.
11:35:38AM MY CLIENT TRYING TO DO THE PROJECT IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR.
11:35:41AM I ASK IF YOU CONSIDER THAT.
11:35:43AM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL MISNOTICE AGAIN.
11:35:45AM IF THEY DO THAT, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISMISS
11:35:47AM IT.
11:35:48AM I WOULD ASK IF YOU CONSIDER WAIVING THE RULES AND PUT IT ON
11:35:50AM AUGUST 1.
11:35:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
11:35:53AM WE HAVE NEW RULES IN PLACE.
11:35:55AM WE ALREADY HAVE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS.
11:36:00AM THE NEW RULES SAY IT IS A TWO HEARING MAXIMUM.
11:36:03AM MISNOTICE IS NOT OUR DOING.

11:36:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF SOMEBODY GETS A
11:36:08AM DATE.
11:36:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE EARLIEST SEPTEMBER DATE?
11:36:11AM SEPTEMBER 5th.
11:36:12AM SO IT WOULD BE RIGHT AFTER LABOR DAY.
11:36:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT STILL OKAY WITH YOUR CLIENT?
11:36:18AM >> NO.
11:36:18AM IT'S NOT OKAY.
11:36:19AM AGAIN, I'M AFRAID THEY ARE GOING TO MISNOTICE AGAIN.
11:36:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THEY MISNOTICE, IT'S THEIR PROBLEM.
11:36:25AM >> IT'S THEIR PROBLEM BUT THEN IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO MOVE
11:36:28AM FORWARD AND HAVE THE MATTER RESOLVED.
11:36:29AM WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
11:36:31AM WE GOT IT APPROVED AT THE BARRIO LATINO.
11:36:35AM THEY ARE CHALLENGING US.
11:36:39AM THE RULES ARE SET UP TO GIVE SOMEBODY THE CHANCE IF THEY ARE
11:36:41AM THE APPLICANT.
11:36:42AM IF THIS CASE, THEY ARE APPEALING.
11:36:44AM BY YOU, LATER WE PUT IT, IT JUST PREJUDICES MY CLIENT.
11:36:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
11:36:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- THE PROCESS OF NOT BEING TODAY, FOR
11:36:57AM BEING AGGRIEVED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT PERSON OR THAT ENTITY
11:37:00AM HAS TO SEND OUT THE NOTICES, NOT YOU GUYS.
11:37:03AM >> CORRECT.
11:37:03AM IF THEY APPEAL.

11:37:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PARTY NOT AGGRIEVED BECAUSE THEY ARE THE
11:37:08AM ONES THAT SENT OUT THE NOTICE, NOT THE ONE HERE, HEY,
11:37:14AM SOMEBODY CHALLENGED US AND NOW -- IT MAY GO ON FOR TWO
11:37:18AM YEARS.
11:37:18AM I UNDERSTAND THAT POSITION.
11:37:21AM WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP THAT IS NOT ACCORDING TO HOW WE
11:37:26AM PASSED IT BASED ON THE FACTS THAT WE HAD THEN, THAT IF
11:37:28AM SOMEBODY APPEALS, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SEND OUT THE
11:37:31AM NOTICES.
11:37:32AM BUT IN ESSENCE THEY ARE HOLDING YOU UP MAYBE TWO YEARS.
11:37:37AM >> I THINK THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO MISNOTICES.
11:37:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT THE BEGINNING, I THOUGHT IT WAS YOUR
11:37:43AM CLIENT DOING THE APPEALING.
11:37:44AM -- I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED MYSELF.
11:37:49AM >> CORRECT.
11:37:49AM WE ARE CHALLENGED BY THEM.
11:37:51AM IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST TO DELAY THIS.
11:37:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS SOMETHING UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.
11:37:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH.
11:37:57AM >> MOVE FOR AUGUST.
11:38:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OUR RULES, WHICH WE JUST PASSED AND WE
11:38:03AM HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN FOLLOWING TODAY, CLEARLY SAY THAT WE CAN
11:38:08AM ONLY HAVE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS.
11:38:09AM WE ALREADY HAVE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS AND FULL EIGHT ITEMS ON
11:38:14AM AUGUST 1st.

11:38:15AM WE HAVE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS AND A FULL SLATE OF ITEMS ON THE
11:38:20AM 22nd.
11:38:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE FOR SEPTEMBER 26.
11:38:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
11:38:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 5?
11:38:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: 26.
11:38:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL DO SEPTEMBER 5.
11:38:28AM IT IS CLOSER.
11:38:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 5 IS THE CLOSER DATE.
11:38:31AM IT IS A 1:30 HEARING.
11:38:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE A VOTE, IF I COULD JUST SAY, TAKING
11:38:41AM EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT, THESE ARE YOUR RULES.
11:38:44AM AND YOUR RULES MAY BE AMENDED BY A MAJORITY VOTE -- EXCUSE
11:38:48AM ME, ANY OF THE FOREGOING RULES MAY BE TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED
11:38:51AM FOR THE MEETING THEN IN SESSION BY A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF
11:38:55AM FIVE OR MORE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL UNLESS SUCH WAIVER IS IN
11:38:59AM CONFLICT WITH THE CITY CHARTER OR STATE OR LOCAL LAW.
11:39:01AM THESE ARE YOUR RULES, BUT THEY MAY BE AMENDED BUT IT TAKES A
11:39:06AM SUPERMAJORITY VOTE.
11:39:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:39:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
11:39:13AM EXCEPT THIS IS SUCH AN EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION THAT THE
11:39:18AM PERSON THAT IS THE APPLICANT THAT'S TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD
11:39:20AM ON A PROJECT IS BEING KIND OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD,
11:39:24AM VICTIMIZED BY THIS.

11:39:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW DO WE KNOW?
11:39:26AM HOW DO WE KNOW HE'S BEING VICTIMIZED?
11:39:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE THAT PERSON MISNOTICE.
11:39:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: PEOPLE MISNOTICE ALL THE TIME.
11:39:34AM IT'S NOT A VICTIM.
11:39:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE STOPPING A PROJECT THROUGH A
11:39:38AM PROCEDURE.
11:39:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY ARE ASSUMING THEY ARE STOPPING A PROJECT
11:39:40AM THROUGH PROCEDURE.
11:39:41AM WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
11:39:43AM PEOPLE MISNOTICE ALL THE TIME.
11:39:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND.
11:39:46AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:39:47AM I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE SITUATION.
11:39:49AM I FEEL LIKE IT ALMOST IS APPROPRIATE -- THIS IS WHY I NEVER
11:39:54AM SUPPORT ABSOLUTES BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY
11:39:57AM TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
11:40:00AM EVERY TIME WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE, WE
11:40:04AM JUST HAD ONE LAST WEEK, WHEN I SAID NO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE
11:40:07AM THE FACT THAT IT WAS ABSOLUTE.
11:40:08AM THIS COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO TAKE IN
11:40:13AM THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.
11:40:16AM I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM TOO MUCH
11:40:19AM STUFF INTO MEETINGS AND WHY WE NEED ADDITIONAL MEETINGS FOR
11:40:22AM SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.

11:40:23AM I'M WILLING TO ADD THAT THIRD JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE
11:40:30AM RIGHT THING TO DO.
11:40:31AM I'LL GO WITH THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
11:40:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:40:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: HOW ABOUT THIS?
11:40:34AM WE SEE IF THERE IS SUPPORT, TO MAKE IT REALLY QUICK, SEE IF
11:40:38AM THERE IS SUPPORT FOR SUPERMAJORITY.
11:40:39AM IF NOT, I'LL VOTE FOR SEPTEMBER.
11:40:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE --
11:40:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
11:40:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS A MOTION TO SET IT ALREADY FOR
11:40:48AM AUGUST 5.
11:40:50AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:40:51AM OKAY, OKAY.
11:40:59AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:41:00AM WE GO FROM THERE.
11:41:02AM PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION FOR THE DATE, AUGUST 5?
11:41:05AM >> SEPTEMBER 5.
11:41:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 5.
11:41:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT TO AUGUST
11:41:09AM 1st.
11:41:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION.
11:41:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT TO AUGUST 1.
11:41:15AM IF THAT AMENDMENT GOES DOWN, THEN WE REVERT BACK TO THE
11:41:18AM ORIGINAL.

11:41:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:41:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:41:24AM COUNCIL MEMBER AMENDMENT.
11:41:25AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN --
11:41:28AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:41:29AM AYE.
11:41:30AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:41:32AM >> NAY.
11:41:35AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING
11:41:37AM NO.
11:41:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO WAIVE THE RULES.
11:41:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AUGUST 1st.
11:41:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO
11:41:48AM ALLOW FOR THIS?
11:41:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
11:41:51AM EVERYTHING WE DO WE TRY TO MAKE THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY.
11:41:57AM HOWEVER, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.
11:41:59AM THIS, IN MY 30 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD
11:42:03AM ONE LIKE THIS.
11:42:04AM IN FACT, WHEN YOU WERE THERE AND I'M SAYING -- HE MISNOTICE
11:42:09AM AGAIN, I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU THAT MISNOTICE.
11:42:12AM I'LL BE HONEST, BUT IT'S NOT.
11:42:14AM IT'S THE AGGRIEVED PERSON THAT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
11:42:19AM THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'LL CONTINUE.
11:42:20AM HOWEVER, WHO AM I TO TELL WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO?

11:42:23AM I APOLOGIZE.
11:42:27AM MENTALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU.
11:42:29AM >> NO, SIR.
11:42:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
11:42:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE MOTION AGAIN?
11:42:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAIVE THE RULES AND SET THE PUBLIC HEARING
11:42:36AM FOR AUGUST 1st.
11:42:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST IS TO WAIVE THE RULES.
11:42:40AM DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES?
11:42:44AM >> SO MOVED.
11:42:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY
11:42:49AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE
11:42:51AM SEPTEMBER DATE.
11:42:51AM I MADE A MOTION TO AMEND TO AUGUST 1st.
11:42:55AM AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S DONE.
11:42:56AM BY DOING THAT, WE ACTUALLY AUTOMATICALLY WAIVED THE RULES.
11:42:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU AMENDED THE MOTION BUT DIDN'T VOTE ON
11:43:02AM THE MOTION.
11:43:02AM THE OTHER THING IS, BY YOUR MOTION, YOU'RE NOW IN VIOLATION
11:43:05AM OF THE RULES UNLESS YOU WAIVE THEM.
11:43:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEVER MIND.
11:43:09AM >> SORRY TO MAKE IT SO COMPLICATED.
11:43:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO AMEND THE RULES.
11:43:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:43:14AM CLENDENIN.

11:43:14AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:43:15AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:43:16AM AYE.
11:43:17AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:43:18AM >> NAY.
11:43:21AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
11:43:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW YOUR MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR.
11:43:26AM STATE THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE.
11:43:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND 1:30 HEARING.
11:43:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST
11:43:33AM 1st AT 1:30 P.M., 315 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR.
11:43:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL
11:43:42AM MEMBER CARLSON AND DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:43:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:43:45AM I DON'T THINK THIS IS OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
11:43:50AM I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW IS BOTH DEVELOPERS AND THE
11:43:52AM PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COME HERE WHEN THERE IS -- WHEN THEY
11:43:56AM CAN -- WHEN THEY BELIEVE THAT THE SYSTEM ISN'T BEING USED
11:44:00AM RIGHT AND THEY'LL COME HERE AND USE IT.
11:44:02AM WE'LL SEE IT AGAIN.
11:44:04AM SO I THINK THIS IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TO BE SET.
11:44:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
11:44:09AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:44:09AM AYE.
11:44:11AM ANY OPPOSED?

11:44:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY.
11:44:13AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:44:13AM I APPRECIATE IT.
11:44:16AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
11:44:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST VERY QUICKLY,
11:44:22AM HOUSEKEEPING.
11:44:23AM NUMBER 92, DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT EARLY IN THE STAFF REPORTS
11:44:28AM OR AT WHAT POINT AFTER 78, 79, 80 OR TOWARDS THE END OF THE
11:44:32AM AGENDA?
11:44:33AM THAT IS THE YELLOW JACKETS.
11:44:35AM AT THE END.
11:44:38AM I JUST NEED DIRECTION.
11:44:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN ORDER.
11:44:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:44:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER ON THIS AND WITH ALL
11:44:44AM RESPECT ON THE ISSUE COMING BEFORE US, WE MADE THE MOTION TO
11:44:47AM RECONSIDER.
11:44:48AM WITH ALL RESPECT FOR MY GOOD FRIENDS HERE FROM TAMPA PD AND
11:44:52AM THE CHIEF, I THINK WE NEED TO DEBATE THIS ISSUE.
11:44:56AM BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NOTICE THIS FOR FUTURE MEETING, I
11:44:59AM DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO TAKE NEW TESTIMONY
11:45:03AM BECAUSE IT WASN'T NOTICED FOR PUBLIC MEETING.
11:45:05AM BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HEARD THIS.
11:45:08AM WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THIS ISSUE.
11:45:10AM I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO TO DEBATE BY COUNCIL AND TAKE A

11:45:14AM VOTE AND NOT HEAR ANY ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY.
11:45:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE.
11:45:17AM BECAUSE IF THE PUBLIC CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT AND THEY DIDN'T
11:45:20AM KNOW ABOUT IT, WE SHOULDN'T GET NEW EVIDENCE.
11:45:22AM I AGREE.
11:45:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE DURING THE
11:45:26AM PUBLIC DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT THIS AS WELL THAT WAS LOADED
11:45:29AM -- TWO SIDES.
11:45:31AM MOVE FORWARD.
11:45:31AM DEBATE IT AMONGST OURSELVES AND TAKE A VOTE.
11:45:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: SEEN ON OTHER ISSUES WHERE ADMINISTRATION
11:45:37AM RECRUITED PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUT.
11:45:38AM WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, SO WE DON'T KNOW
11:45:41AM THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS GOING TO COME ON THE AGENDA
11:45:43AM EXCEPT FOR THE BRIEFINGS THAT WE'VE HAD.
11:45:45AM IT LOOKS LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT BY
11:45:49AM BRINGING PEOPLE HERE.
11:45:50AM I DON'T THINK THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY
11:45:53AM THINKS.
11:45:53AM WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC SHOW UP TO TALK ABOUT IT OTHER
11:45:56AM TIMES.
11:45:57AM I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC WE
11:45:59AM SHOULD SCHEDULE THIS FOR A MEETING.
11:46:01AM IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC.
11:46:03AM IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE THE VOTES, COME UP ANYWAY, BUT

11:46:09AM SHOULD BE A ROBUST DISCUSSION TO BE FAIR.
11:46:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE I WANT TO
11:46:15AM MAKE SURE THE MOTION IS NOT OUT OF ORDER.
11:46:17AM WHAT WAS PLACED ON THE MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON
11:46:25AM DURING THE REVIEW OF THE AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
11:46:27AM WAS TO TAKE UP A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
11:46:31AM THIS IS NOT RECONSIDER.
11:46:32AM THIS IS NOT RECONSIDERABLE YET UNLESS YOU ACT UPON THE
11:46:37AM MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
11:46:39AM A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
11:46:40AM A MOTION WOULD BE IN ORDER.
11:46:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE A MOTION?
11:46:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU MADE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA
11:47:00AM TO RECONSIDER AT 11:30.
11:47:02AM THERE IS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW.
11:47:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TO PUT -- [INAUDIBLE]
11:47:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:47:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO A
11:47:20AM DIFFERENT DATE.
11:47:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN RECONSIDERED
11:47:24AM YET.
11:47:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
11:47:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, COUNCIL MEMBER
11:47:31AM MIRANDA.
11:47:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:47:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SINCE THIS IS MY DISTRICT, I WANT TO TALK
11:47:39AM ABOUT IT.
11:47:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: FOR ME, THE PROCEDURAL ISSUE, WHETHER OR NOT
11:47:42AM PEOPLE WERE BROUGHT OR WERE ASKED TO BE HERE, I DON'T WANT
11:47:46AM TO SAY PEOPLE WERE BROUGHT HERE, PEOPLE WERE ASKED TO BE
11:47:48AM HERE TO SUPPORT A CERTAIN POSITION.
11:47:52AM THERE'S PROCEDURE AND I DON'T THINK THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED
11:47:55AM ON CITY COUNCIL SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, MAYBE I'M WRONG. WHEN
11:47:59AM THE COUNCIL VOTED DOWN THE TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS, I
11:48:02AM BROUGHT IT BACK BUT WASN'T HERE FOR THE VOTE.
11:48:04AM THAT'S SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.
11:48:06AM I DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE,
11:48:09AM THOUGH.
11:48:09AM WHETHER OR NOT THEY SUPPORT WHAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:48:09AM WANTS TO DO, JAY JOHNSON WAS HERE WHO LOST HIS SON TO GUN
11:48:09AM VIOLENCE.
11:48:19AM HE, ALONG WITH PATRICIA BROWN AND OTHERS, FOUNDED RISE UP
11:48:22AM FOR PEACE.
11:48:24AM I LISTEN TO JAY ON THESE ISSUES.
11:48:25AM I DO BECAUSE HE SPEAKS FROM A PLACE OF DEEP HURT, OF THE
11:48:29AM GREATEST HURT THAT A PERSON CAN HAVE.
11:48:31AM AND I LISTEN TO HIM.
11:48:32AM SO WHEN HE'S HERE, I DON'T GO, THE ADMINISTRATION BROUGHT
11:48:32AM HIM, OR WHATEVER.
11:48:32AM JAY JOHNSON IS HERE ON BEHALF OF RISE UP FOR PEACE.

11:48:32AM I RESPECT THAT 110% AS I KNOW WE ALL DO.
11:48:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: POINT OF ORDER, THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE
11:48:48AM FLOOR YET.
11:48:48AM THERE'S NOTHING TO SPEAK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
11:48:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SPEAKING IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS THAT HAVE
11:48:54AM BEEN MADE.
11:48:55AM THAT'S IT.
11:48:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THE QUESTION IS, BEFORE YOU
11:49:00AM HAVE THE DEBATE, ARE YOU RAISING AN OBJECTION?
11:49:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, I'M SAYING NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING
11:49:07AM AND TALKING ABOUT A RANDOM THING AND TALKING ABOUT A RANDOM
11:49:10AM THING, THAT'S FOR NEW BUSINESS.
11:49:11AM IF YOU HAVE A MOTION, THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS MAKE
11:49:14AM A MOTION AND THEN STATE YOUR CASE.
11:49:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND.
11:49:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: TO SATISFY THAT AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MAKE
11:49:28AM A MOTION, I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WAS GOING TO MAKE
11:49:31AM IT FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE LAST TIME AND I CAN CONTINUE.
11:49:34AM I'M PRETTY MUCH DONE, BY THE WAY.
11:49:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:49:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M HERE AND I'M CONFUSED.
11:49:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, POINT OF ORDER.
11:49:43AM WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION.
11:49:44AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN MAKE THIS MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS
11:49:48AM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.

11:49:49AM EVERYONE ELSE TALKING, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE FLOOR YET.
11:49:52AM AND THAT'S PART OF OUR NEW RULES.
11:49:54AM OR IT'S ACTUALLY OLD RULES.
11:49:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE'RE GOING AFTER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
11:49:59AM AND THE QUESTION HERE IS YOU RAISED AN OBJECTION EARLY ON
11:50:04AM WITH REGARD TO THE DEBATE AND WANTING TO HAVE A DEBATE ON A
11:50:08AM LATER DATE.
11:50:08AM YOU ARE HAVING DEBATE NOW AND YOU HAVE STAFF HERE NOW.
11:50:13AM UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION AND DON'T
11:50:16AM WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, MAKING A POINT OF ORDER IN
11:50:19AM ORDER TO PROPERLY ADDRESS THIS UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER
11:50:22AM TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, IT SHOULD BE A MOTION AND A SECOND
11:50:25AM TO BE ON THE FLOOR.
11:50:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, CORRECT.
11:50:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU HAVE DEBATE.
11:50:30AM THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE CITY COUNCIL NORMALLY OPERATES, THE
11:50:33AM VERY COLLOQUIALLY FRIENDLY BY THAT.
11:50:36AM ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, DEBATE TAKES PLACE AFTER MOTION AND
11:50:39AM SECOND IF YOU TAKE STRICT ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
11:50:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMEWHERE EARLIER THIS MORNING, COUNCIL
11:50:46AM MEMBER HENDERSON MADE A MOTION FOR 11:30.
11:50:49AM IT'S PAST 11:30.
11:50:54AM WHATEVER THAT MOTION WAS THAT SHE MADE THAT WAS PASSED,
11:50:58AM SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TALK ON IT OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO SIT
11:51:01AM HERE AND LOOK AT EACH OTHER.

11:51:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:51:03AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, MA'AM?
11:51:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A POINT OF INFORMATION.
11:51:10AM MY UNDERSTANDING THIS MORNING, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT
11:51:12AM THE MOTION THAT SHE HAD PLACED WAS TO PLACE THIS AT 11:30
11:51:16AM AND THAT SHE DID -- WE DID VOTE TO WAIVE THE RULES.
11:51:20AM I'M CONFUSED.
11:51:21AM I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD DONE THAT.
11:51:24AM WE PLACED THIS -- WE WAIVED THE RULES AND PLACED THIS -- I'M
11:51:28AM SORRY.
11:51:28AM WE RECONSIDERED, VOTE TO RECONSIDER AND PUT THIS ON THE
11:51:31AM AGENDA.
11:51:32AM THAT DID NOT HAPPEN THIS MORNING?
11:51:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING.
11:51:35AM SHE WANTED IT FOR DISCUSSION, AND THE -- I DON'T RECALL --
11:51:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAS IT YOUR INTENT THIS MORNING TO
11:51:44AM RECONSIDER --
11:51:46AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PLEASE ALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FINISH
11:51:48AM SPEAKING.
11:51:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
11:51:50AM FORGIVE ME.
11:51:51AM I'LL WAIT.
11:51:51AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CHAIR, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU CALL
11:51:54AM WHOEVER IS GOING TO SPEAK, LET THEM SPEAK AND THEN PICK THE
11:51:58AM NEXT PERSON.

11:51:59AM IT WOULD BE SO HELPFUL.
11:52:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ROBERT'S RULES, I HAD A POINT OF
11:52:02AM INFORMATION.
11:52:02AM THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.
11:52:04AM WAS THE INTENT OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION THIS MORNING TO
11:52:06AM RECONSIDER THE MOTION AND THE VOTE THAT WE TOOK THIS
11:52:09AM MORNING, WAS THAT HER INTENT?
11:52:11AM THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
11:52:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
11:52:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITH A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
11:52:16AM WAS THAT THE INTENT THIS MORNING.
11:52:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO PLACE IT HERE.
11:52:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING, LET'S DO THIS PROPERLY SO
11:52:24AM NOBODY WILL COMPLAIN.
11:52:25AM WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN.
11:52:27AM IT WAS A TWO-STAGE PROCESS.
11:52:29AM DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU
11:52:33AM PICKED 11:30 TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON A MOTION TO
11:52:35AM RECONSIDER.
11:52:37AM THERE WAS NO MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS MORNING.
11:52:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE WAS NO MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
11:52:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
11:52:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS MY POINT OF INFORMATION.
11:52:45AM THAT WAS THE INFORMATION I WAS ASKING FOR BECAUSE I WAS
11:52:47AM CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER WE ALREADY HAD THE VOTE TO

11:52:50AM RECONSIDER.
11:52:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT.
11:52:52AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:52:52AM THE MOTION WAS MADE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
11:52:55AM WE ARE HERE AT THE AGENDA AT THAT TIME.
11:52:57AM THE CHIEF IS HERE.
11:52:58AM CHIEF, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
11:53:00AM WE HAD A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON TO BRING THIS
11:53:02AM ITEM UP.
11:53:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER.
11:53:05AM POINT OF ORDER.
11:53:05AM I'LL GO BACK TO THE SAME THING.
11:53:07AM THERE'S NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.
11:53:09AM IT WASN'T NOTICED.
11:53:11AM WE NEED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE IF WE'RE GOING TO RECONSIDER
11:53:14AM THIS, PERIOD.
11:53:15AM THAT IS THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.
11:53:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WE SHOULDN'T TAKE ANY NEW
11:53:24AM INFORMATION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED THE PUBLIC THE NOTICE
11:53:27AM OF A WEEK TO COME TO SPEAK, ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION WHO
11:53:31AM ASKED PEOPLE TO COME SPEAK GOT THAT NOTICE.
11:53:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: [INAUDIBLE]
11:53:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL, IS IF YOU DO
11:53:41AM WANT TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM, PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND
11:53:45AM GET A SECOND, AND THEN YOU CAN OPEN THE DEBATE.

11:53:48AM HEAR FROM WHOEVER YOU WISH.
11:53:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WISHES TO MAKE A MOTION TO
11:53:52AM RECONSIDER --
11:53:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMEBODY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE.
11:53:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO MOVED.
11:53:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS TO REVOTE ON THE ITEM FROM JUNE
11:54:01AM 6.
11:54:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
11:54:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN THE FORM IN WHICH IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
11:54:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE THAT MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:54:12AM HENDERSON.
11:54:12AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:54:14AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:54:15AM IF NOT, WE TAKE A VOTE.
11:54:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DATE ON IT WHEN IT WILL BE DONE.
11:54:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, WE VOTE ON IT TODAY, SIR.
11:54:21AM TODAY, ALL IN FAVOR?
11:54:23AM AYE.
11:54:24AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:54:26AM >> NAY.
11:54:30AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING
11:54:32AM NO.
11:54:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
11:54:37AM SCHEDULE THIS DISCUSSION FOR EITHER NEXT WEEK OR JULY 18.
11:54:43AM JULY 18 IS THE NEXT.

11:54:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULY 18 IS VERY BUSY.
11:54:47AM AUGUST IS THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
11:54:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: AUGUST 1st.
11:54:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:54:55AM CARLSON TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR
11:54:58AM AUGUST 1 REGULAR MEETING.
11:55:00AM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:55:03AM DO WE HAVE --
11:55:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE NOTIFIED.
11:55:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE NOTIFIED.
11:55:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
11:55:09AM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONTRACT IS EXPIRING.
11:55:14AM SO THERE ARE TIME CRITICAL ELEMENTS TO THIS.
11:55:17AM MY POINT OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE EARLIER AS WELL, ON
11:55:23AM THE RECONSIDERATION, WE ALREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
11:55:26AM WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
11:55:27AM IF WE WEREN'T GOING TO DELAY THAT, I THINK IT'S COUNCIL'S
11:55:31AM PREROGATIVE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNCIL AND TAKE
11:55:34AM A VOTE TODAY.
11:55:35AM BECAUSE THERE ARE CONTRACTUAL ISSUES OF DELAYING.
11:55:38AM SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST TAKE THE UP-OR-DOWN VOTE TODAY AND
11:55:42AM MOVE FORWARD.
11:55:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
11:55:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
11:55:46AM WHEN WE ADDRESSED THIS WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS, OFFICERS

11:55:57AM RESPONDED TO A SHOTSPOTTER ACTIVATION IN THE AREA OF 3608
11:56:01AM NORTH 28th STREET.
11:56:03AM THERE WERE 26 SHELL CASINGS RECOVERED, AND NINE MINUTES
11:56:08AM LATER THE OFFICERS LOCATED THE 17-YEAR-OLD VICTIM SHOT IN
11:56:13AM THE LEG.
11:56:14AM NONLIFE-THREATENING AND WAS TRANSPORTED TO TAMPA GENERAL
11:56:18AM HOSPITAL.
11:56:19AM THIS WAS WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AFTER WE MADE THIS
11:56:23AM DECISION.
11:56:24AM WHEN IT CAME TO COUNCIL THAT DAY, THE POLICE OFFICERS
11:56:30AM PRESENT FOR THE PRESENTATION DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD JOB.
11:56:34AM I HAVE NO ISSUE SAYING THAT, BUT IT WAS A VERY, VERY POOR
11:56:41AM PRESENTATION.
11:56:41AM THEY DIDN'T PUSH BACK ON ANY OF THE CHALLENGES PRESENTED TO
11:56:43AM THEM.
11:56:44AM BASICALLY AS AN EDUCATOR I FELT THEY WERE UNPREPARED.
11:56:47AM I DID NOT SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION DID NOT
11:56:51AM PROVIDE VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE REALLY
11:56:54AM SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED.
11:56:55AM ALSO, THE OTHER SIDE TO THIS, I DON'T BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY
11:56:59AM WAS COERCED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:57:02AM I AM THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE.
11:57:05AM AND SO I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH A CONSTITUENT
11:57:09AM WHO ACTUALLY CAME TODAY, PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:57:11AM I ACTUALLY SAW HER YESTERDAY AT AN EVENT AND SHE INDICATED

11:57:15AM THAT SHE WOULD BE COMING, BUT WE ALSO MET SHORTLY AFTER THAT
11:57:20AM PARTICULAR SHOOTING.
11:57:21AM AND THEN ANOTHER MEMBER CAME TODAY.
11:57:24AM ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
11:57:25AM BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO CAME TODAY THAT
11:57:28AM ARE FOR AND AGAINST IT.
11:57:30AM AS THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT 5, PUBLIC SAFETY
11:57:35AM FOR ALL OF US IS A PRIORITY.
11:57:38AM TO RULE IT AS A WASTE OF MONEY, CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT DOLLAR
11:57:42AM FIGURE?
11:57:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: $280,000.
11:57:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: $280,000 IN TERMS OF A $2 BILLION BUDGET
11:57:49AM AND THE THINGS WE MAKE DECISIONS ON EVERY DAY, IT IS NOT A
11:57:52AM WASTE OF MONEY.
11:57:53AM THERE IS ALSO IN THE PAST, THE POLICE DON'T LIKE, THESE
11:57:58AM VERY, VERY GENERAL STATEMENTS.
11:57:59AM I ALSO HAVE DECIDED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS IN DISTRICT
11:58:03AM THREE, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THIS IS A WASTE OF THEIR TIME,
11:58:06AM AND THAT IS NOT TRUE, ALTHOUGH THERE HAS BEEN COMMENTS UP
11:58:10AM HERE FROM THE DAIS THAT INDICATES THIS.
11:58:12AM NOW, EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
11:58:16AM A PUBLIC COMMENT FROM SOMEONE TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE IT ALL
11:58:20AM OVER THE CITY, WELL, THERE ARE NOT SHOOTINGS LIKE THIS ALL
11:58:23AM OVER THE CITY.
11:58:24AM THAT'S JUST THE REALITY.

11:58:25AM THIS IS A VERY, VERY PARTICULAR AREA THAT NEEDS A LEVEL OF
11:58:30AM SUPPORT THAT COSTS US UNDER $300,000.
11:58:32AM I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN A GRANT OF SOME
11:58:36AM SORT TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF INITIATIVE.
11:58:40AM FOR ME, BRINGING IT BACK, I JUST WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A
11:58:46AM CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF ONLY BECAUSE WE WERE AT AN EVENT
11:58:50AM YESTERDAY TOGETHER.
11:58:51AM EVERYTHING IS NOT A CONSPIRACY.
11:58:55AM SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT SHOOTING,
11:58:58AM BECAUSE WE GET MESSAGES OF THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN
11:59:01AM THINGS HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
11:59:02AM I GET MESSAGES OF SHOOTINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BROUGHT TO
11:59:05AM MY ATTENTION.
11:59:07AM AND FOR ME, IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A DISTRICT 5
11:59:11AM REPRESENTATIVE TO HAVE THIS RECONSIDERED BECAUSE IT IS A
11:59:15AM LOW-COST THAT ACTUALLY PUTS US IN A POSITION TO GIVE THE
11:59:20AM OFFICERS THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO DO THEIR JOB AND TO BE MORE
11:59:25AM EFFECTIVE.
11:59:25AM IN THIS CASE, THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THE SHOOTER.
11:59:29AM SO IT DOES WORK.
11:59:31AM IT'S A PROGRAM THAT WORKS.
11:59:32AM IT IS A SPECIALTY THAT IS NOT NEEDED IN EVERY ASPECT OF OUR
11:59:38AM COMMUNITY.
11:59:39AM SO THAT IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME AS DISTRICT FIVE
11:59:44AM REPRESENTATIVE TO ASK FOR THE RECONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT WAS

11:59:46AM A 4-3 VOTE.
11:59:47AM I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT DO THAT.
11:59:51AM I JUST WANT TO INDICATE THAT TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S STILL
11:59:54AM LISTENING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS EVERY
11:59:58AM SINGLE DAY, AND THE POOR PRESENTATION ACTUALLY CAUSED ME FOR
12:00:02PM SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORTED BEFORE, I VOTED NOT TO SUPPORT IT
12:00:07PM BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION DID NOT PROVIDE THE INFORMATION
12:00:11PM THAT I BELIEVE IS NECESSARY TO SUSTAIN ME SAYING YES AGAIN.
12:00:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR?
12:00:21PM SOME COMMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT ME AND I WOULD LIKE TO
12:00:23PM RESPOND.
12:00:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A MOMENT.
12:00:24PM LET HER FINISH.
12:00:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'LL YIELD MY TIME.
12:00:28PM THANK YOU.
12:00:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:00:30PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:00:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE A
12:00:33PM COLLEGIAL BODY UP HERE.
12:00:35PM THIS MAYOR AND LAST MAYOR LIKED TO USE THE TERM CONSPIRACY
12:00:37PM TO TRY TO DISCREDIT ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM.
12:00:42PM ANYTHING THAT I SAY IS FACT BASED.
12:00:44PM I DON'T HAVE CONSPIRACY AND I FIND IT INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE
12:00:47PM THAT ANY ONE OF MY COLLEGIAL BODY WOULD TAKE ON THE
12:00:51PM MESSAGING OF THE ADMINISTRATION.

12:00:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE]
12:00:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID THAT EVERYTHING.
12:00:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE]
12:00:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE DETAILED DATA WHICH I'M HAPPY TO
12:01:00PM SHARE WITH YOU OR HOLD A SCHEDULE WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION
12:01:03PM HAS RECRUITED PEOPLE BEFORE.
12:01:04PM THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN WFLA TV AND CREATIVE LOAFING FROM A
12:01:08PM COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RENTING WHILE
12:01:11PM BLACK.
12:01:12PM TWO REPORTERS FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS FOUND OUT THAT
12:01:15PM TWO PEOPLE WITHIN THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION WERE NOT ONLY
12:01:18PM RECRUITING PEOPLE FROM EAST TAMPA TO BE IN FAVOR OF A
12:01:20PM PROGRAM, BUT THEY ALSO GAVE THEM RIDES.
12:01:22PM AND THAT'S DOCUMENTED IN THE MEDIA.
12:01:24PM SO IF SOMETHING IS DOCUMENTED, IF THERE'S FACT, THAT DOESN'T
12:01:29PM MEAN THAT IT IS A CONSPIRACY, EXCEPT THAT MAYBE THE
12:01:32PM ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE CAUGHT THEM.
12:01:35PM WHETHER ANYBODY TODAY WAS COERCED TO COME HERE, I DON'T
12:01:38PM KNOW, TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA'S POINT ABOUT BISHOP
12:01:42PM PATTY AND JAY JOHNSON, I'VE HAD LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM
12:01:45PM AS WELL, AND I AGREED WITH THEM THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT
12:01:48PM HAVE HAPPENED TO THEM AND THE PEOPLE.
12:01:50PM I'M CERTAIN THEY CAME HERE ON THEIR OWN ACCORD.
12:01:53PM HOWEVER, HOW DID THEY FIND OUT ABOUT THIS?
12:01:55PM IT COULD BE THAT IT WAS FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL

12:01:59PM MEMBER HENDERSON HAD YESTERDAY.
12:02:00PM I BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO CAME HERE TODAY CAME WITH THEIR
12:02:06PM OWN CONCERNS AND THEIR OWN OPINIONS.
12:02:08PM HOWEVER, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT
12:02:11PM OPINIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS NOT SCHEDULED
12:02:13PM TODAY.
12:02:13PM AND TO THE POINT ABOUT THE POLICE, YOU SAID THAT YOU FOUND
12:02:18PM THAT IT'S NOT TRUE, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, THAT THE
12:02:21PM POLICE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
12:02:22PM I'VE TALKED TO MANY POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
12:02:24PM IT.
12:02:25PM BECAUSE OF THE WASTE OF TIME THAT IT HAS.
12:02:28PM SO THE POLICE OFFICERS YOU TALKED TO MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT
12:02:31PM OPINION THAN THE ONES I SPOKE TO, BUT THAT DOESN'T
12:02:34PM DELEGITIMIZE THE COMMENTS OF THE POLICE OFFICERS I SPOKE TO.
12:02:38PM I HOPE WE CAN RESPECT EACH OTHER'S OPINIONS IN THAT WAY.
12:02:41PM AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:02:43PM THE MOTION ON THE TABLE CURRENTLY IS TO SCHEDULE IT FOR -- I
12:02:46PM FORGOT -- SEPTEMBER 1st.
12:02:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AUGUST 1st.
12:02:49PM HE'S CALLED THE QUESTION.
12:02:54PM THERE IS A SECOND.
12:02:55PM THIS IS TO RESCHEDULE OR CONTINUE TO AUGUST 1st.
12:02:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
12:02:59PM THIS IS TO CALL THE QUESTION.

12:03:00PM THIS IS TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:03:04PM TO CALL THE QUESTION TO END THE DEBATE.
12:03:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO END THE
12:03:07PM DEBATE.
12:03:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:03:08PM AYE.
12:03:08PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:03:11PM >> NAY.
12:03:14PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH CLENDENIN, HENDERSON, VIERA
12:03:16PM -- [INAUDIBLE]
12:03:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION HAS NOT BEEN CALLED.
12:03:21PM DEBATE IS STILL OPEN.
12:03:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE DEBATE IS STILL ABOUT WHETHER TO PUT IT
12:03:25PM ON AUGUST 1st, NOT ABOUT THE MERITS OF WHETHER WE'RE GOING
12:03:28PM TO APPROVE THIS OR NOT.
12:03:33PM >> MAY I BRIEFLY ASK A QUESTION?
12:03:35PM >> NO.
12:03:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
12:03:37PM CLENDENIN.
12:03:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS, WE'RE GOING TO
12:03:42PM HAVE IT WITH PUBLIC NOTICE.
12:03:45PM I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO.
12:03:48PM PEOPLE DID SHOW UP.
12:03:50PM REGARDLESS OF HOW, IT'S NOT NOTICED ON THE AGENDA.
12:03:55PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULDN'T

12:03:57PM JUST BRING THINGS UP AND VOTE ON THEM WITHOUT THE PUBLIC
12:04:00PM KNOWING ABOUT IT.
12:04:01PM IT'S WHY SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NOT ONLY ASK US ABOUT
12:04:04PM THE AGENDA, BUT THEN THEY COMPLAIN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE
12:04:07PM SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.
12:04:08PM IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE AGENDA MUCH LESS SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS
12:04:14PM BEING MADE AVAILABLE.
12:04:14PM SO I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE THIS TO AUGUST 1st.
12:04:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO AMEND TO HEAR IT TODAY WITHOUT
12:04:22PM ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY.
12:04:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
12:04:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
12:04:27PM CLENDENIN WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:04:28PM TO AMEND TO HEAR IT TODAY.
12:04:33PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:04:33PM AYE.
12:04:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITHOUT ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY.
12:04:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:04:38PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:04:40PM >> AYE.
12:04:42PM >> NAY.
12:04:43PM >> NAY.
12:04:46PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING
12:04:48PM NO.
12:04:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL SECOND CALL THE QUESTION.

12:04:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]
12:04:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
12:04:59PM YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER FIRST.
12:05:03PM I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
12:05:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER?
12:05:10PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
12:05:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHE ALREADY MADE IT AND SECOND FROM VIERA.
12:05:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS WE MOVE TO SPEND
12:05:19PM $280,000 TO FUND MORE OFFICERS.
12:05:23PM >> SECOND.
12:05:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER, I DON'T THINK IT IS
12:05:30PM GERMANE TO THIS ISSUE.
12:05:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
12:05:32PM IT'S TALKING ABOUT USING MONEY.
12:05:34PM SO MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO -- NO, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING --
12:05:39PM >> MEGAN NEWCOMB ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY --
12:05:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: POINT OF ORDER -- I MISSPOKE.
12:05:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR.
12:05:49PM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT, AS MUCH AS I SUPPORT THAT ISSUE,
12:05:52PM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY GERMANE TO THIS ISSUE
12:05:55PM AND WOULD NOT BE RELEVANT TO THE ORDER --
12:06:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A QUESTION HERE OF WHETHER THIS
12:06:04PM MOTION IS GERMANE.
12:06:06PM IT'S A MOTION, IN EFFECT, IT IS A MOTION TO AMEND IN A WAY
12:06:10PM THAT IT'S SUBSTANTIVE.

12:06:11PM YOU RAISE A POINT OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS GERMANE.
12:06:14PM YOUR POINT OF ORDER IS NOW WHETHER THAT MOTION IS GERMANE.
12:06:17PM AND THE QUESTION THEN IS, IF I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION
12:06:20PM CORRECTLY, AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE GERMANE, I
12:06:24PM THINK.
12:06:25PM LET ME SEE.
12:06:26PM THERE IS A FINANCIAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CONTRACT IN
12:06:30PM THE AMOUNT OF --
12:06:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: $280,000 MORE OR LESS.
12:06:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR MOTION IS TO --
12:06:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TAKE THAT MONEY.
12:06:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: $280,000 ALLOCATED TOWARD THIS AND DO WHAT?
12:06:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND SPEND IT ON MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
12:06:48PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:06:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
12:06:54PM MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
12:06:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:06:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE POINT OF ORDER AT A TIME.
12:07:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: POINT OF ORDER IS THAT MOTION IS OUT OF
12:07:04PM ORDER AT THIS TIME UNTIL THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE
12:07:06PM INITIAL DOCUMENT IS ON THE FLOOR.
12:07:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THAT'S WHAT IS ON THE FLOOR.
12:07:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, IT'S NOT ON THE FLOOR.
12:07:12PM YOU HAVE NOT VOTED YET TO RECONSIDER FOR TODAY.
12:07:14PM LET'S GIVE THEM THE RESOLUTION.

12:07:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A LEGAL CONCERN THAT I'D
12:07:23PM LIKE TO BRING UP.
12:07:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:07:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH MS. ZELMAN BEFORE,
12:07:28PM AND THERE IS A FINE LINE IN RULES AND SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH
12:07:33PM CITY GOVERNMENT.
12:07:34PM PLEASE, SIR --
12:07:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT YET.
12:07:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS AN ATTORNEY WHO
12:07:43PM IS REPRESENTING A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OR REPRESENTING A
12:07:48PM CASE, THEY CANNOT REPRESENT THE CITY.
12:07:50PM THEY ARE ONLY REPRESENTING THAT DEPARTMENT.
12:07:53PM I WOULD ASK MS. ZELMAN TO SEND ATTORNEY DOWN REPRESENTING
12:07:56PM THE CITY.
12:07:57PM WE HAVE MR. SHELBY AND NO DISRESPECT TO ANY ATTORNEY WHO
12:08:00PM REPRESENTS US, BUT WE'VE HAD CASES ON LAND USE ISSUES AND
12:08:03PM OTHERS WHERE AN ATTORNEY WAS PUT IN THE AWKWARD POSITION OF
12:08:07PM REPRESENTING BOTH.
12:08:08PM THAT CAN'T BE.
12:08:10PM WE HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
12:08:11PM WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
12:08:13PM WE NEED AN ATTORNEY WHO IS REPRESENTING THE CITY AND NOT AN
12:08:16PM INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT.
12:08:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
12:08:20PM WE ARE VOTING ON THIS ITEM, $280,000 SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS

12:08:25PM PURPOSE.
12:08:26PM >> NO.
12:08:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
12:08:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT, YES.
12:08:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
12:08:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT THE AMENDMENT I DON'T THINK IS
12:08:32PM APPROPRIATE FOR SHIFTING THAT MONEY ELSEWHERE.
12:08:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
12:08:37PM THE THRESHOLD QUESTION IS DOES THIS COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER
12:08:41PM WHAT IT VOTED ON PREVIOUSLY TO BRING THIS BACK FOR ANOTHER
12:08:45PM VOTE.
12:08:46PM THAT'S THE MOTION THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
12:08:47PM SAY YES DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE APPROVING IT, THAT WILL BE THE
12:08:52PM FOLLOWING MOTION.
12:08:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL THE QUESTION ON THE MOTION TO
12:08:55PM RECONSIDER.
12:08:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:08:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR TODAY.
12:08:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RIGHT NOW.
12:08:58PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:09:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:09:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:09:02PM ALL IN FAVOR.
12:09:03PM >> AYE.
12:09:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DEBATE ENDS.

12:09:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
12:09:08PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
12:09:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO MORE DEBATE.
12:09:13PM THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR.
12:09:14PM DO YOU NEED IT REPEATED?
12:09:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, PLEASE REPEAT THE MOTION.
12:09:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES THE CLERK DO IT?
12:09:20PM >>THE CLERK: THIS IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE SHOTSPOTTER
12:09:24PM PROGRAM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM.
12:09:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, SECONDED BY
12:09:32PM MIRANDA.
12:09:34PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND A SECOND
12:09:36PM BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:09:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE THIS MOTION AND SECOND ON THE
12:09:40PM FLOOR.
12:09:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CALL THE QUESTION.
12:09:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
12:09:43PM AYE.
12:09:45PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:09:46PM >> NAY.
12:09:47PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING
12:09:49PM NO.
12:09:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:09:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR.
12:09:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAKE THE MOTION.

12:09:57PM WHO WISHES TO MAKE THE MOTION.
12:10:00PM >> TO PASS THE ITEM?
12:10:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I MAKE THE MOTION.
12:10:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:10:05PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
12:10:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO MOVE THE
12:10:09PM $280,000 TO FUNDING MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
12:10:13PM >> SECOND.
12:10:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
12:10:14PM THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER --
12:10:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND CALL THE QUESTION.
12:10:19PM LET'S JUST HAVE THE VOTE.
12:10:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MADE A SUBSTITUTE,
12:10:25PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:10:27PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:10:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: SHE WANTED TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:10:29PM DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT --
12:10:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
12:10:33PM SORRY.
12:10:35PM BILL SECONDED IT.
12:10:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAIT, WAIT.
12:10:38PM POINT OF ORDER.
12:10:38PM SO WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
12:10:41PM WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION BEFORE -- THE
12:10:44PM SECOND MOTION WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER.

12:10:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NEVER MIND.
12:10:48PM I RESCIND.
12:10:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU CAN'T DO CALL THE QUESTION UNTIL --
12:10:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE VOTING TO APPROVE THE SHOTSPOTTER
12:10:58PM PROGRAM, YES OR NO?
12:11:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE'RE VOTING ON MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION OF
12:11:03PM MOVING $280,000 TO FUNDING MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
12:11:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM COUNCIL
12:11:09PM MEMBER HURTAK.
12:11:10PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:11:12PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:11:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:11:16PM MR. SHELBY, WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS LAST WEEK, CORRECT?
12:11:18PM WHEREAS, THAT IS FICTION.
12:11:20PM IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T SAY NO TO THIS AND MOVE IT TO THIS.
12:11:25PM WE'RE VOTING AND A FICTION.
12:11:28PM IS THAT CORRECT?
12:11:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S NO DETAIL WITH
12:11:33PM REGARD TO MOVING MONEY.
12:11:34PM IF YOU'RE SAYING JUST TO DO THAT, THAT IS A MIDYEAR BUDGET
12:11:39PM TRANSFER IF IT WERE TO BE DONE, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE
12:11:42PM RECOMMENDED AND PRESENTED BY THE MAYOR.
12:11:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: HOW ABOUT THIS, MS. ZELMAN STOOD UP.
12:11:49PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
12:11:51PM ARE WE VOTING ON A FICTION?

12:11:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IT DOES, IT'S A MOTION TO NOT -- IN
12:12:00PM EFFECT IT IS A MOTION TO NOT SPEND -- I DON'T KNOW WHETHER
12:12:03PM SHE STATED THIS.
12:12:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY.
12:12:04PM I CAN CLARIFY THE MOTION.
12:12:06PM THE MOTION IS TO MOVE $280,000 TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO FUND
12:12:11PM NEW POLICE OFFICERS.
12:12:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
12:12:14PM THAT WAS ATTEMPTED LAST WEEK AND SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW IF
12:12:18PM IT WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR OUR ATTORNEY, SAID THAT THAT --
12:12:21PM I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD FICTION -- HELP ME OUT HERE.
12:12:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
12:12:30PM THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO RECONSIDER IS A
12:12:33PM RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONTRACT.
12:12:34PM IF YOU WANT TO VOTE AGAINST THE CONTRACT AND MAKE ANOTHER
12:12:42PM MOTION ASKING THE MAYOR TO ALLOCATE MONEY FROM THE BUDGET,
12:12:45PM AS MARTY SAID, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION.
12:12:47PM BUT THAT ISN'T THE WAY APPROVAL OF CONTRACTS WORK.
12:12:50PM YOU DON'T GET TO SAY I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS CONTRACT
12:12:53PM AND ASK THAT THE MONEY BE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
12:12:56PM IT'S TWO SEPARATE ITEMS AND YOU CAN'T --
12:12:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION STILL STANDS.
12:13:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
12:13:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
12:13:05PM TPD HAS REQUESTED THIS TO FIGHT CRIME.

12:13:09PM I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE.
12:13:10PM LIKE I SAID, I HEARD FROM JAY JOHNSON, BISHOP PATTY.
12:13:15PM I'VE TALKED TO JAY JOHNSON, PATRICIA AND OTHERS AND RISE UP
12:13:18PM FOR PEACE, MANY, MANY TIMES ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE.
12:13:20PM IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO FUND MORE POLICE
12:13:25PM OFFICERS, RIGHT, WE'D HAVE THE CHIEF OF POLICE BEGGING US TO
12:13:28PM DO IT.
12:13:29PM BRANDON BARCLAY IN HERE RIGHT NOW SUPPORTING THIS.
12:13:33PM AND WE DON'T.
12:13:33PM SO, AGAIN, TO ME, THIS IS SAYING NO TO MONEY THAT CAN GO
12:13:38PM RIGHT NOW TO FIGHT ON CRIME.
12:13:39PM HEY, MAYBE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WE CAN HIRE TWO POLICE
12:13:43PM OFFICERS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THE CHIEF ABOUT THIS,
12:13:46PM HEY, LISTEN, COULD WE MOVE THIS MONEY?
12:13:47PM RIGHT?
12:13:48PM AT BEST TWO POLICE OFFICERS.
12:13:49PM SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY MONEY AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE
12:13:53PM ABYSS OF THE BUDGET THAT IS GOING TO GO TO FIGHT CRIME THAT
12:13:57PM VICTIMS OF CRIME ARE ASKING FOR TO TAKE A CHANCE ON
12:13:59PM SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT WE CAN DO ANYWAY AS
12:14:01PM COUNCIL.
12:14:02PM AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENTS BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
12:14:07PM BUT I WILL RESPECTFULLY VOTE NO.
12:14:13PM THANK YOU.
12:14:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S CALL THE QUESTION.

12:14:13PM CALL THE QUESTION.
12:14:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HE HASN'T HAD A SECOND YET.
12:14:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO CALL THE
12:14:19PM QUESTION?
12:14:19PM I'M READY TO VOTE.
12:14:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW HOW THIS VOTE WILL GO DOWN.
12:14:25PM LET'S MOVE.
12:14:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HE DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
12:14:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO YOUR POINT OF ORDER WHETHER THIS IS
12:14:32PM GERMANE.
12:14:32PM IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE GERMANE, I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY
12:14:35PM MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT.
12:14:37PM IT HAS TO BE CONTINGENT UPON THE REJECTION OF THIS
12:14:41PM RESOLUTION.
12:14:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS EXACTLY MY POINT.
12:14:44PM I FIGURED I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF TRACTION ON IT.
12:14:46PM I KNOW THE WAY THE VOTE WILL GO DOWN.
12:14:48PM DIDN'T WANT TO BELEAGUER THE POINT.
12:14:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL SECOND HIS MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:14:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:14:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:14:54PM AYE.
12:14:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE OPPOSED?
12:14:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN
12:15:01PM MIRANDA WANTED TO SPEAK.

12:15:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CALL
12:15:07PM THE QUESTION.
12:15:07PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:15:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M OUT OF IT.
12:15:14PM DIDN'T RECOGNIZE.
12:15:15PM I'M OUT OF IT.
12:15:16PM DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME.
12:15:17PM IF I WAS WATCHING TV, I WOULD NEVER RUN FOR THIS CITY
12:15:20PM COUNCIL.
12:15:20PM DON'T BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION, BLAME US.
12:15:27PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:15:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS IN FRONT?
12:15:31PM A VOTE ON WHAT?
12:15:33PM TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:15:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:15:38PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:15:43PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:15:43PM THIS IS TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:15:45PM AYE.
12:15:46PM ALL RIGHT.
12:15:47PM NOW WE GO -- ANY NAYS?
12:15:50PM ANY AGAINST?
12:15:53PM >> NAY.
12:15:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE READ THE VOTE FOR THE RECORD.
12:15:57PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.

12:15:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE AN
12:16:01PM AMENDMENT.
12:16:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE VOTED TO CALL THE QUESTION.
12:16:05PM WHAT IS ON THE FLOOR IS MY MOTION TO MOVE THE FUNDING TO
12:16:10PM FUND MORE OFFICERS.
12:16:11PM THAT'S WHAT IS ON THE FLOOR.
12:16:12PM IT WAS SECONDED BY BILL, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
12:16:15PM THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
12:16:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT GERMANE, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO
12:16:20PM DO, THAT'S FINE.
12:16:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND
12:16:23PM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:16:24PM THIS IS FOR YOUR AMENDMENT.
12:16:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:16:27PM QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED.
12:16:29PM NO MORE COMMENTS.
12:16:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED.
12:16:32PM WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
12:16:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO DEBATE.
12:16:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS A DIFFERENT MOTION.
12:16:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CALLED THE QUESTION.
12:16:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WOW.
12:16:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
12:16:43PM THIS IS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S AMENDMENT, SECONDED BY
12:16:48PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.

12:16:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE?
12:16:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SURE, ALL OF THEM.
12:16:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: AYE.
12:16:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:16:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
12:17:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
12:17:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
12:17:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
12:17:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
12:17:06PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH CLENDENIN, HENDERSON, VIERA,
12:17:10PM MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
12:17:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GO BACK TO THE FIRST, THE ORIGINAL
12:17:14PM MOTION.
12:17:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, SIR.
12:17:15PM IS THAT PERMITTED?
12:17:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON HAS MADE A
12:17:18PM MOTION.
12:17:18PM IS THERE A SECOND?
12:17:19PM WHO WAS THE SECOND?
12:17:21PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS THE SECOND.
12:17:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL THE QUESTION ON THE ORIGINAL
12:17:26PM MOTION.
12:17:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD MY MIKE ON.
12:17:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION IS TO PUT THIS BACK ON FOR A
12:17:31PM MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

12:17:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE ALREADY DID THAT.
12:17:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT?
12:17:36PM WHAT?
12:17:40PM >> CHARLIE, PLEASE STAY.
12:17:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M STANDING UP.
12:17:44PM CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE SITTING DOWN.
12:17:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ACTUAL MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
12:17:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:17:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ON MAY 14, U.S. SENATORS MARKEY AND WARREN
12:17:55PM FROM MASSACHUSETTS AND WYDEN FROM OREGON WROTE TO DHS
12:17:59PM INSPECTOR GENERAL CUFFARI.
12:18:02PM QUOTE, SEVERAL RECENT REPORTS HAVE CAST SUBSTANTIAL DOUBT ON
12:18:05PM THE ACCURACY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SHOTSPOTTER GUNSHOT
12:18:08PM DETECTION SYSTEM AND HAVE RAISED SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT ITS
12:18:11PM CONTRIBUTION TO UNJUSTIFIED SURVEILLANCE AND OVER-POLICING
12:18:15PM OF BLACK, BROWN AND LATINO COMMUNITIES, END QUOTE.
12:18:18PM THE SENATORS SUGGEST THIS MAY BE IN VIOLATION OF TITLE 6 OF
12:18:21PM THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.
12:18:24PM STUDIES -- MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE
12:18:36PM SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT MAY BE IN
12:18:38PM VIOLATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT?
12:18:39PM SECOND, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TRADING PUTTING POLICE ON THE
12:18:42PM STREET IN ORDER TO FUND A TECHNOLOGY, AN APRIL STUDY BY UC
12:18:47PM SANTA BARBARA RESEARCHER FOUND INCREASES CALL TO DISPATCH
12:18:52PM TIME BY ONE MINUTE AND CALLED TO ON SCENE TIME BY TWO

12:18:55PM MINUTES, DECREASING THE LIKELIHOOD OF ARREST IN A DOMESTIC
12:18:58PM BATTERY BY 14% FOR THESE WASTED CALLS.
12:19:02PM STUDIES HAVE REPEATEDLY SHOWN THAT FASTER RESPONSE TIMES
12:19:05PM LEAD TO HIGHER CRIME CLEARANCE RATES AND THE ANSWER TO
12:19:08PM ADDRESSING OUR CITY'S ISSUES ARE PUTTING MORE OFFICERS ON
12:19:10PM THE STREETS, NOT TAKING THEM OFF TO FUND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT
12:19:14PM FURTHER INCREASES RESPONSE TIMES AND LOWERS CLEARANCE RATES.
12:19:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:19:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL THE QUESTION.
12:19:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I ALREADY HAD MY LIGHT ON.
12:19:25PM NOW THAT WE'VE OPENED UP THIS CONVERSATION, I WOULD LIKE,
12:19:30PM THIS IS NOW THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE I HAVE INVITED AND ASKED
12:19:34PM THE POLICE TO BRING THEIR --
12:19:36PM >> NO.
12:19:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO NOT INTERRUPT ME WHILE I'M TALKING!
12:19:40PM PLEASE CONTROL YOUR DAIS, CHAIR.
12:19:42PM DO NOT INTERRUPT ME.
12:19:43PM THIS IS A POINT WITHIN THIS CONVERSATION WHERE I CAN ASK
12:19:51PM THAT WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT
12:19:54PM HAS COME FORWARD FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
12:19:56PM CITY ATTORNEY, DOES THAT REQUIRE A MOTION FOR ME TO DO THAT?
12:20:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY NOT, BUT IF SOMEBODY OBJECTS, IT
12:20:06PM MAY.
12:20:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: POINT OF ORDER, WE ALREADY AGREED TO NOT DO
12:20:11PM THIS.

12:20:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DIDN'T HEAR A VOTE ON THAT.
12:20:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON HAS THE FLOOR.
12:20:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THERE A VOTE TO NOT ALLOW ANYBODY ELSE
12:20:21PM TO SPEAK OTHER THAN COUNCIL?
12:20:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT WAS MOVEMENT AND NOISE PRESENTED BY
12:20:26PM STOPPING THEM FROM PRESENTING, BUT WE DID NOT MAKE IT
12:20:28PM OFFICIAL THAT THEY COULD NOT PRESENT.
12:20:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
12:20:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY SHELBY, IS IT NECESSARY TO MAKE A
12:20:37PM MOTION TO ALLOW THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PRESENT ON
12:20:40PM THIS ISSUE OR CAN WE JUST REQUEST THAT THEY BE ABLE TO SPEAK
12:20:45PM AT THIS TIME?
12:20:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY YOU COULD JUST REQUEST, UNLESS
12:20:49PM THERE IS AN OBJECTION.
12:20:50PM IF THERE IS AN OBJECTION, THEN YOU COULD DO A MOTION AND A
12:20:52PM VOTE.
12:20:53PM MR. CHAIR, IT'S YOUR MEETING.
12:20:56PM HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED?
12:20:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M READY TO VOTE ON THE ITEM.
12:20:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WOULD LIKE THE PRESENTATION BY THE
12:21:02PM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
12:21:03PM AND I WOULD LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THEIR
12:21:05PM PRESENTATION.
12:21:06PM IF I COULD GET A SECOND FOR THAT DISCUSSION, IT WOULD BE
12:21:08PM GREATLY APPRECIATED.

12:21:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL SECOND.
12:21:12PM HERE IS WHY.
12:21:13PM WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT THIS IS A DECISION SOMEHOW AND I WANT
12:21:16PM OUR POLICE TO ADDRESS THIS BETWEEN HIRING MORE POLICE
12:21:20PM OFFICERS AND SHOTSPOTTER.
12:21:23PM THAT BEGS A RESPONSE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS SUPPORT THE
12:21:28PM POLICE.
12:21:28PM THE POLICE.
12:21:29PM THAT'S WHY I'M SECONDING THAT.
12:21:30PM SO THAT'S WHY.
12:21:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
12:21:32PM AYE.
12:21:34PM >> NAY.
12:21:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE ON THIS.
12:21:37PM I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE ON THIS.
12:21:39PM IF WE END UP TAKING ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY, I THINK IT'S
12:21:43PM INAPPROPRIATE WITHOUT PUBLIC NOTICE AND GOING TO ANOTHER
12:21:46PM MEETING.
12:21:46PM I THINK WE SHOULD RECONSIDER BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE
12:21:49PM RECEIVED IN THE LAST MEETING OR THE DEBATE THAT WE HAVE ON
12:21:52PM COUNCIL.
12:21:52PM IF WE TAKE FURTHER TESTIMONY TO THIS, IT'S GOING TO VOTE
12:21:56PM AGAINST IT.
12:21:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: I RESPECTFULLY THEN RESPECTFULLY TO THE TAMPA
12:22:02PM POLICE DEPARTMENT, I DO WITHDRAW THAT SECOND.

12:22:04PM WE NEED TO PASS THIS.
12:22:05PM AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FLIP VOTE, I WANT TO RESPECT
12:22:08PM THAT.
12:22:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
12:22:11PM WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO A VOTE.
12:22:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION.
12:22:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO, THAT'S OKAY.
12:22:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE'S WITHDRAWN IT.
12:22:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE CAN GET TO A DECISION WITHOUT THE
12:22:22PM POLICE PRESENTING.
12:22:23PM I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS VERY
12:22:26PM TOPIC, THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT ACTUALLY CAME
12:22:30PM FORWARD AND COMMENTED ON IT THAT NIGHT -- THAT DAY.
12:22:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:22:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GIVE IT TO ALL OF US FOR A CHRISTMAS GIFT
12:22:45PM TO SEE HOW WELL WE WORK TOGETHER.
12:22:46PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:22:47PM I'LL PAY FOR IT.
12:22:48PM >> DVD.
12:22:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, WOULD YOU LIKE
12:22:52PM TO MAKE YOUR MOTION?
12:22:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:22:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS
12:22:57PM RESOLUTION.
12:22:57PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.

12:22:59PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:22:59PM >> AYE.
12:23:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OPPOSED?
12:23:01PM >> NAY.
12:23:02PM >> NAY.
12:23:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:23:03PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING
12:23:06PM NO.
12:23:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:23:08PM WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL -- IS 1:30 OKAY OR 1:45?
12:23:11PM 1:30.
12:23:15PM LET'S DO 1:40.
12:23:17PM THANK YOU, WE'RE IN RECESS.
12:23:19PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:23:20PM [LUNCH RECESS]
1:40:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
1:40:06PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
1:40:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
1:40:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
1:40:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
1:40:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
1:40:18PM >> VIERA?
1:40:19PM MIRANDA?
1:40:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
1:40:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

1:40:22PM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:40:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
1:40:24PM WE'LL GO INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
1:40:26PM COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT HERE.
1:40:30PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, VICE-CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
1:40:33PM COMMITTEE, 5 THROUGH 7.
1:40:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
1:40:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
1:40:37PM MIRANDA.
1:40:37PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:40:38PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:40:39PM AYE.
1:40:40PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:40:41PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF
1:40:44PM NEIGHBORHOOD --
1:40:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, THE NEW NAME.
1:40:48PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
1:40:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
1:40:52PM YES, MA'AM.
1:40:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES CHAIR, OUR NEW NAME, NEIGHBORHOOD AND
1:40:56PM COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, I MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 8 THROUGH
1:40:59PM 11.
1:41:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
1:41:02PM HENDERSON.
1:41:02PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.

1:41:03PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:41:04PM AYE.
1:41:04PM ANY OPPOSED.
1:41:06PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE.
1:41:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 12-28.
1:41:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK,
1:41:14PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:41:15PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:41:15PM AYE.
1:41:17PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:41:17PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU ARE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR.
1:41:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 29 THROUGH 33.
1:41:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, ASK
1:41:24PM HE HAD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
1:41:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:41:26PM AYE.
1:41:27PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:41:27PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
1:41:30PM COMMITTEE.
1:41:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE 34 THROUGH 49.
1:41:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
1:41:35PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:41:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:41:38PM AYE.
1:41:39PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, MOBILITY AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.

1:41:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE ITEMS 50 THROUGH 55.
1:41:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN,
1:41:47PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:41:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:41:49PM AYE.
1:41:50PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:41:50PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 56 THROUGH 62 TO SET THE
1:41:56PM PUBLIC HEARINGS?
1:41:57PM >> SO MOVED.
1:41:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:41:59PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
1:42:01PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:42:01PM AYE.
1:42:02PM ALL RIGHT.
1:42:05PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?
1:42:08PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:42:10PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:42:11PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:42:11PM AYE.
1:42:12PM ITEM NUMBER 63.
1:42:26PM >> RYAN MANASSE, JOHNSON POPE.
1:42:29PM 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
1:42:31PM SECOND READING FOR THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE DA FOR MIDTOWN.
1:42:34PM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
1:42:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

1:42:36PM GENTLEMAN?
1:42:36PM NO.
1:42:38PM ALL RIGHT ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
1:42:40PM NUMBER 63?
1:42:41PM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
1:42:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE NO ONE HERE AND NOBODY
1:42:44PM REGISTERED.
1:42:45PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:42:47PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:42:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:42:49PM AYE.
1:42:49PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:42:50PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
1:42:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE RESOLUTION, ITEM 63.
1:42:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
1:42:57PM MIRANDA.
1:42:57PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:42:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:42:59PM AYE.
1:43:00PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:43:01PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:43:02PM THAT TAKES US TO SECOND READING ON PROPOSED ORDINANCES, ITEM
1:43:08PM NUMBER 64.
1:43:09PM I'M SORRY.
1:43:11PM THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL.

1:43:13PM IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC
1:43:17PM HEARINGS TODAY, THAT WOULD MEAN -- ACTUALLY, ANY PUBLIC
1:43:24PM HEARING, ALL THE WAY THROUGH 73, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR
1:43:29PM RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
1:43:32PM IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING
1:43:34PM ITEMS.
1:43:38PM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
1:43:41PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:43:43PM WE'LL KICK IT OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 64.
1:43:45PM YES, SIR.
1:43:47PM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
1:43:55PM >> MR. COLLINS.
1:43:56PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
1:43:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
1:43:58PM GO AHEAD.
1:43:58PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:44:00PM >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION
1:44:03PM STAFF.
1:44:04PM I WAS SWORN IN.
1:44:05PM NEXT ITEM IS SECOND READING FOLLOWER TA/CPA 24-07, PLAN
1:44:10PM AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2425 EAST DR. MARTIN
1:44:13PM LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD OR OTHERWISE MEMORIAL PARK
1:44:16PM CEMETERY.
1:44:17PM REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE SITE FROM
1:44:19PM PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 TO THE

1:44:22PM RECREATION OPEN SPACE CATEGORY.
1:44:24PM COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ITEM AT THE FIRST READING ON MAY
1:44:29PM 23rd.
1:44:30PM WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
1:44:32PM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
1:44:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:44:34PM ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COLLINS? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE AN
1:44:36PM APPLICANT -- IT'S A FUTURE LAND USE.
1:44:40PM ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 64?
1:44:42PM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON 64?
1:44:46PM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
1:44:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
1:44:48PM CLENDENIN.
1:44:48PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:44:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:44:50PM AYE.
1:44:51PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING 64.
1:44:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
1:44:56PM READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA
1:44:58PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
1:45:01PM MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2425 EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER
1:45:04PM KING BOULEVARD, AKA MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, FROM
1:45:08PM PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC, P/SP AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35, CC-35,
1:45:15PM TO RECREATIONAL/OPEN SPACE, R/OS, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF
1:45:20PM ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,

1:45:23PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
1:45:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
1:45:26PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:45:27PM YES, SIR.
1:45:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY, 64 THROUGH 67 WHEN I WAS OUT
1:45:33PM OF THE COUNTRY.
1:45:33PM I WANTED TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I REVIEWED THE FILES AND
1:45:37PM WATCHED, LISTENED TO THE VIDEOS.
1:45:39PM THANK YOU.
1:45:39PM YEAH, THROUGH 68.
1:45:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
1:45:43PM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
1:45:52PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1:45:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:45:58PM NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 65.
1:46:02PM YES, MA'AM.
1:46:03PM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
1:46:05PM WERE YOU SWORN IN, MS. DOCK?
1:46:07PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES.
1:46:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
1:46:08PM GO AHEAD.
1:46:08PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
1:46:12PM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
1:46:14PM ITEM 65 IS AB 2-23-30 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1500 WEST CASS
1:46:19PM STREET.

1:46:21PM THE REQUEST IS FOR A SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE, LIQUOR,
1:46:24PM CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY.
1:46:26PM I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
1:46:28PM I BELIEVE JULIA MANDELL IS THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
1:46:31PM I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE HOURS OF
1:46:34PM OPERATIONS ON THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED.
1:46:36PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS DURING THE HEARING.
1:46:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
1:46:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: ON ALL THREE OF THESE, I READ THE SITE PLAN
1:46:44PM AND SOME OF THE TYPE IS REALLY SMALL, BUT I DIDN'T SEE
1:46:48PM EXACTLY WHAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE.
1:46:50PM SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, COULD YOU TELL US
1:46:53PM WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE NEGOTIATION?
1:46:55PM THANK YOU.
1:46:56PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: ABSOLUTELY, YES.
1:46:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. MANDELL, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, GO
1:46:59PM AHEAD.
1:47:00PM >> HELLO.
1:47:01PM GOOD AFTERNOON, FOR THE RECORD, JULIA MANDELL WITH THE LAW
1:47:03PM FIRM OF GRAY ROBINSON, 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE
1:47:06PM 4000, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
1:47:08PM WE CAME BEFORE YOU AT FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE TO
1:47:12PM PROCEED FORWARD WITH BEER, WINE, LIQUOR ON PREMISE FOR SALES
1:47:17PM AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT USE.
1:47:19PM IT IS A FOOD HALL TYPE OF USE ON CASS STREET.

1:47:22PM DURING THE PROCESS, WE DID MAKE EFFORTS TO REACH OUT TO THE
1:47:28PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOLKS AND TO HAVE DIALOGUE.
1:47:31PM THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION OR SOME OTHER
1:47:33PM ISSUES THAT CAME UP.
1:47:34PM NOBODY DID ATTEND FIRST READING.
1:47:36PM NOTICE WAS DONE PROPERLY.
1:47:37PM I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
1:47:39PM BUT NOBODY DID ATTEND THE FIRST READING AND VOICE ANY
1:47:42PM OBJECTIONS AT THE FIRST READING, THERE WAS A REQUEST BY CITY
1:47:46PM COUNCIL TO PLACE ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS PART OF THE SITE
1:47:50PM PLAN THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED
1:47:55PM NOISE AND WE DID COMPLY WITH THAT.
1:47:57PM THIS MORNING -- I CAN'T RECALL THE WOMAN'S NAME, BUT FROM
1:48:00PM THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION DID ATTEND THE MEETING
1:48:04PM THIS MORNING, HAD AN INTEREST IN EXPRESSING SOME CONCERNS
1:48:08PM AND ISSUES SHE HAD BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT CONTAIN
1:48:12PM HOURS OF OPERATION.
1:48:13PM I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH MY CLIENTS,
1:48:15PM AND WE'RE PREPARED TODAY TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN TO ADD HOURS
1:48:20PM OF OPERATION SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11 P.M. AND FRIDAY AND
1:48:24PM SATURDAY 12 P.M.
1:48:25PM I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND KNOW THAT WE CANNOT DO
1:48:28PM THAT TODAY AT SECOND READING.
1:48:30PM BUT I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
1:48:33PM AND WITH MR. SHELBY AND WITH MS. DOCK AND WOULD ASK THAT YOU

1:48:38PM READ THIS AGAIN TODAY ON FIRST READING TO ADD AS PART OF
1:48:42PM YOUR MOTION THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT I HAVE SUGGESTED,
1:48:45PM AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK FOR SECOND READING WITH THOSE
1:48:49PM CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
1:48:50PM I BELIEVE IT IS YOUR NEXT MEETING THAT, FULL MEETING, JULY
1:48:56PM 18 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
1:48:58PM AND WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISCOMMUNICATION.
1:49:01PM WE HAD REACHED OUT AND THOUGHT WE HAD ADEQUATELY DONE SO.
1:49:04PM APPARENTLY, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES OUT
1:49:06PM THERE AND WE MAY NOT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF THE ONES WE
1:49:08PM SHOULD HAVE.
1:49:09PM THAT BEING SAID, I'M HAPPY -- I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS WOULD
1:49:12PM RESOLVE ANY OF THE CONCERNS OF THAT COMMUNITY AS THE OWNERS
1:49:15PM OF THIS PROPERTY ARE ALSO THE OWNERS OF THE THAI PALACE IN
1:49:20PM HYDE PARK AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION THERE FOR 25 YEARS
1:49:22PM WITHOUT ANY ISSUES AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS
1:49:27PM COMMUNITY.
1:49:27PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
1:49:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
1:49:29PM YES, SIR.
1:49:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: MS. MANDELL, JUST TO CLARIFY ALSO, YOU SAID
1:49:36PM NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
1:49:38PM >> THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN.
1:49:41PM ONE OTHER THING, IF I COULD SAY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THE
1:49:43PM QUESTION DID COME UP, THE OUTDOOR AREA OF THE DECK SHOWN ON

1:49:46PM THE SITE PLAN IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF A BAR.
1:49:49PM THAT IS ONLY INCLUSIVE OF OUTDOOR SEATING.
1:49:52PM THAT QUESTION DID COME UP AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT,
1:49:55PM THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE SHOWING THAT THAT'S PART OF IT.
1:49:57PM THANK YOU.
1:49:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:49:58PM ALL RIGHT.
1:50:01PM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
1:50:04PM NUMBER 65?
1:50:04PM YES, MA'AM.
1:50:05PM COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:50:08PM >> HELLO AGAIN.
1:50:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT UNTIL YOU COME UP SO WE CAN PICK
1:50:10PM YOU UP ON THE MICROPHONE.
1:50:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE THOSE PEOPLE PRESENT?
1:50:18PM THANK YOU.
1:50:18PM KELLA McCASKILL, ARE YOU HERE?
1:50:28PM >> I'M HERE, YOU CAN PUT MY NAME ON THE LIST.
1:50:31PM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
1:50:33PM >> -- PLEASE ALLOW HER --
1:50:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES FOR A TOTAL
1:50:38PM OF 5.
1:50:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:50:40PM >> CYNTHIA MALONEY.
1:50:42PM I'M ON THE CAC FOR WEST TAMPA, AND I'M THE SECRETARY OF THE

1:50:46PM NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
1:50:49PM WE DID WRITE E-MAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL IN
1:50:55PM ADVANCE OF IT BEING APPROVED LAST TIME, AND WE WERE
1:50:58PM SURPRISED WHEN WE HEARD THAT IT PASSED WITHOUT ANY CONCERNS.
1:51:02PM WE EXPRESSED MAINLY THREE CONCERNS.
1:51:04PM ONE WAS THE REDUCTION IN THE PARKING.
1:51:08PM THE OTHER THING WAS OUTDOOR LIQUOR SALES AND NO HOURS POSTED
1:51:16PM ON THE PLAN.
1:51:18PM WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOURS ITEM PARTICULARLY, NOT
1:51:25PM BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL, BUT TO SELL IT
1:51:28PM OUTSIDE UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING.
1:51:30PM THIS IS A DENSELY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF MANY
1:51:36PM APARTMENTS AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
1:51:38PM THERE'S ALREADY A SHORTAGE OF PARKING SERVING THE AREA.
1:51:41PM THE APPLICATION FOR THE BUSINESS SHOWS TABLES AND AN OPEN
1:51:44PM BAR OUTDOORS.
1:51:46PM SHE CORRECTED ME.
1:51:47PM IT'S NOT AN OPEN BAR.
1:51:49PM IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A BAR IN THE DRAWING.
1:51:52PM BUT IN THE MIDST OF THE LIMITED PARKING AND WITHIN 50 FEET
1:51:56PM OF PEOPLE'S BEDROOM WINDOWS, THERE IS A SMALL PARKLET THAT
1:52:03PM MAYBE USED TO BE AN ALLEY THAT SEPARATES THE PARKING AREA IN
1:52:05PM THE BACK FROM AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
1:52:10PM WE BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD REGARD THAT AS UNACCEPTABLE. WE'RE
1:52:15PM NOT YBOR OR SOHO, DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.

1:52:19PM WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF HOMES AND APARTMENTS WHERE PEOPLE
1:52:22PM HAVE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT AND GET UP AND GO TO WORK OR SCHOOL
1:52:25PM IN THE MORNING.
1:52:25PM WE HAVE VERY SADLY SEEN RECENTLY AND ALL KNOW TOO WELL THAT
1:52:30PM SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO ARE DRINKING OUTSIDE AT 2:00 OR 3:00 IN
1:52:33PM THE MORNING MAKE POOR CHOICES, WITH SOMETIMES DISASTROUS
1:52:38PM CONSEQUENCES REQUIRING POLICE INTERVENTION AND CALLING 911.
1:52:42PM UNDERAGE DRINKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO A POTENTIAL
1:52:45PM ISSUE WITH A LARGE POPULATION OF UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA
1:52:50PM STUDENTS.
1:52:51PM ALL OTHER RESTAURANTS, BARS, AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS IN
1:52:54PM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU RECENTLY HAVE
1:52:57PM WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE HOURS OF
1:52:59PM OPERATION.
1:53:00PM AND HAVE -- HOURS TYPICALLY 11 P.M. ON WEEK NIGHTS AND
1:53:06PM 12 A.M. ON WEEKENDS TO THEIR APPLICATIONS.
1:53:08PM YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT
1:53:12PM THE RESIDENTS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO FORESTALL THESE
1:53:15PM POTENTIAL PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY START.
1:53:17PM WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION SO THEY LINE UP
1:53:21PM WITH ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS AND TO RECONSIDER THEIR
1:53:27PM REQUEST FOR OUTDOOR LIQUOR SALES.
1:53:28PM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
1:53:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
1:53:33PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

1:53:33PM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?
1:53:36PM YES, MA'AM.
1:53:37PM COME ON UP.
1:53:40PM >> THANK YOU.
1:53:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, NO.
1:53:43PM THE OTHER MA'AM.
1:53:44PM >> I APOLOGIZE.
1:53:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
1:53:46PM MS. POYNOR IS COMING UP.
1:53:48PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
1:53:50PM SANDY SANCHEZ HAD TO GO TO THE VET WITH HER DOG.
1:53:53PM SHE ASKED ME -- SHE SAID IT IS A NEW SPACE IN NOHO AND THEY
1:53:58PM WANT TO MAKE IT INTO ANOTHER SOHO.
1:54:00PM 3 A.M. BREEDS TROUBLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SO CLOSE TO WEST
1:54:03PM TAMPA'S MAIN STREET.
1:54:05PM AT LEAST TWO SHOOTINGS A WEEK AND NOTHING IN THE PAPER.
1:54:08PM THAT'S WHAT SANDY SAID.
1:54:09PM THANK YOU.
1:54:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
1:54:10PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:54:10PM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK?
1:54:12PM OKAY.
1:54:14PM WE HAVE NOBODY REGISTERED.
1:54:15PM MS. MANDELL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR REBUTTAL.
1:54:18PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.

1:54:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: MS. MANDELL, I WANT TO ASK YOU THAT
1:54:23PM QUESTION.
1:54:23PM YOU TALKED A MINUTE AGO HOW IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE OUTDOOR
1:54:27PM BAR.
1:54:28PM I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME.
1:54:29PM IS THERE AN AREA WHERE ALCOHOL SALES ARE ALREADY ALLOWED
1:54:32PM OUTSIDE BUT THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR AREA?
1:54:34PM CAN YOU EXPLAIN?
1:54:35PM >> NO.
1:54:35PM THERE IS AN OUTDOOR -- IT SHOWS ON THE SITE PLAN THERE IS AN
1:54:39PM AREA WITH A DECK THAT THERE WILL BE SALES THERE.
1:54:43PM WHEN I SAY SALES, NOT FROM A BAR, SERVICE SALES.
1:54:47PM YOU CAN BRING -- IT IS A FOOD HALL, SO YOU CAN BRING YOUR
1:54:49PM ALCOHOL OUTSIDE.
1:54:51PM IT ISN'T INTENDED FOR ACTUAL SALE TO OCCUR OUTSIDE, MEANING
1:54:54PM A SEPARATE BAR AREA.
1:54:55PM IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION, THAT WOULD NOT BE
1:54:59PM OBJECTIONABLE, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR BAR AREA, AND
1:55:03PM THAT AREA WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR OUR PURPOSES TO MAKE SURE
1:55:06PM THAT'S CLEAR.
1:55:07PM BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT.
1:55:08PM IT WAS JUST TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING FOOD INSIDE TO
1:55:11PM COME OUTSIDE AND DRINK A BEER OR A GLASS OF WINE OR WHATEVER
1:55:16PM DRINK ONE WOULD DRINK.
1:55:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WERE CITY ATTORNEY,

1:55:19PM THIS GOES WITH THE LAND.
1:55:21PM CAN WE ADD THIS, MS. DOCK?
1:55:26PM CAN WE ADD THIS AS A CONDITION?
1:55:29PM >> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IF YOU ADDED A CONDITION THAT SAID
1:55:32PM NO OUTDOOR BAR ALLOWED.
1:55:36PM THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, IN LINE WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT THE
1:55:39PM APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO AND THE CONCERNS THAT THE
1:55:41PM NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.
1:55:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ALREADY AGREED TO THE 11:00 EXCEPT FOR
1:55:47PM WEEKENDS AND 12:00.
1:55:49PM >> CORRECT.
1:55:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT TAKES CARE OF THE 3 A.M. ISSUE.
1:55:51PM >> RIGHT.
1:55:51PM THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.
1:55:53PM LET ME SAY.
1:55:54PM I CHECKED.
1:55:55PM I DID NOT SEE ANY LETTERS COME UP IN WHAT THEY USED TO CALL
1:55:59PM THE QUASI-BOX.
1:56:00PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT TODAY.
1:56:02PM THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE AGREED TO
1:56:04PM IF WE HAD KNOWN IT WAS AN ISSUE.
1:56:06PM IT JUST REALLY DIDN'T COME UP AND IT WAS KEPT -- NOT THAT WE
1:56:09PM ASKED FOR HOURS OF 3.
1:56:11PM IT WAS JUST GOING TOWARDS THE CODE PROVISION IN CHAPTER 14
1:56:15PM THAT HAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION IN KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE

1:56:18PM CODE.
1:56:18PM CERTAINLY, IF WE HAD KNOWN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO DO
1:56:21PM IT.
1:56:21PM I APOLOGIZE THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME MISUNDERSTANDING
1:56:25PM OR MISCOMMUNICATION.
1:56:26PM BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MY CLIENTS TO BE IN LINE WITH
1:56:31PM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE OPERATING IN A
1:56:33PM MANNER THAT IS COMFORTABLE.
1:56:35PM THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE PARKING AND I
1:56:38PM DID RAISE THIS DURING THE FIRST HEARING, THIS WOULD REDUCE
1:56:41PM IT DOWN TWO ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS.
1:56:44PM BUT THERE ARE 30 ON-STREET PARKING SPOTS RIGHT ON CASS
1:56:48PM WITHIN LIKE A THREE-BLOCK RADIUS.
1:56:52PM THERE'S A LOT OF ON-STREET PARKING, PLUS THIS REALLY IS
1:56:55PM INTENDED TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
1:56:56PM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
1:56:58PM BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL ALIGNED WITH ENSURING THAT THIS
1:57:00PM NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROTECTED FROM WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SEEK.
1:57:04PM I APPRECIATE IT.
1:57:05PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
1:57:07PM AND WOULD JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT GIVEN THE CONDITIONS
1:57:10PM WE'RE AGREEING TO, WOULD BE REREADING THIS ON FIRST READING.
1:57:14PM THANK YOU.
1:57:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
1:57:16PM MEMBER CLENDENIN.

1:57:18PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
1:57:18PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
1:57:20PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:57:20PM AYE.
1:57:21PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WE LEFT OFF WITH YOU.
1:57:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WENT.
1:57:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
1:57:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
1:57:29PM FILE AB 2-23-30, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
1:57:35PM READING AND -- NO, FIRST.
1:57:37PM WHY DOES IT SAY SECOND?
1:57:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO FIRST READING.
1:57:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: -- FIRST READING AND ADOPTION.
1:57:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S JUST FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
1:57:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FIRST READING, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
1:57:54PM SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE
1:57:57PM CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
1:58:00PM BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
1:58:03PM LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THIS CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
1:58:07PM LOCATED AT 1500 WEST CASS STREET AND MORE PARTICULARLY
1:58:11PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR
1:58:14PM PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN
1:58:19PM EFFECTIVE DATE AND WITH THE CHANGES MENTIONED --
1:58:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND NO OUTDOOR BAR,
1:58:28PM RIGHT?

1:58:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME.
1:58:30PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
1:58:31PM AND WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
1:58:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
1:58:35PM HENDERSON.
1:58:36PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:58:38PM WE DON'T NEED TO RECORD OUR VOTE.
1:58:40PM IT WILL BE A VOICE VOTE.
1:58:42PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:58:43PM AYE.
1:58:43PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:58:49PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1:58:50PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JULY 18 AT
1:58:54PM 10 A.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, THIRD
1:58:59PM FLOOR, 33602.
1:59:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
1:59:02PM ITEM NUMBER 66.
1:59:05PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
1:59:07PM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
1:59:08PM ITEM 66 IS AB 2-24-05.
1:59:11PM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1905 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
1:59:14PM THE REQUEST IS FOR A SMALL VENUE BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION
1:59:18PM ON PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION OFF-PREMISES.
1:59:23PM THERE WERE CHANGES MADE TO THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND
1:59:26PM SECOND READING.

1:59:27PM THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
1:59:28PM THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS LOCATION IS 9 A.M. TO
1:59:31PM 12 A.M., MIDNIGHT.
1:59:34PM AND THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN
1:59:36PM CERTIFIED AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
1:59:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DOCK?
1:59:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION?
1:59:49PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES, THE HOURS ARE 9 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT.
1:59:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK?
1:59:54PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES.
01:59:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:00:01PM THE APPLICANT IS ERIC HENDRA REGISTERED ONLINE.
02:00:06PM AND WAS HE SWORN IN?
02:00:13PM >> GOOD MORNING.
02:00:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, WERE YOU SWORN IN?
02:00:18PM >> I WAS NOT SWORN IN, NO.
02:00:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR
02:00:22PM YOU IN.
02:00:23PM [SWEARING IN]
02:00:28PM >> YES.
02:00:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:00:30PM STATE YOUR NAME.
02:00:31PM >> ERIC HENDRA.
02:00:34PM I AM REPRESENTING THE CLIENT, AND I BELIEVE MISS DOCK HAS
02:00:37PM REPRESENTED THE CASE VERY WELL.
02:00:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
02:00:40PM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
02:00:42PM ALL RIGHT.
02:00:43PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 66
02:00:50PM MOTION COULD CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND SECONDED BY
02:00:53PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:00:53PM READ 66, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:00:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ORDINANCE IN SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
02:01:01PM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC
02:01:05PM BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE AND
02:01:08PM PACKAGE OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE
02:01:12PM OF BEER AND WINE FROM THE CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
02:01:16PM 1095 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS PARTICULARLY
02:01:21PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES AND
02:01:25PM CONFLICTS ARE REPEALED.
02:01:27PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:01:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND.
02:01:33PM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
02:01:35PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:01:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 67.
02:01:45PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:01:48PM LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:01:50PM ITEM 67 IS AB 2-24-06.
02:01:54PM 1509, 1511, 1529 WEST NORTH A STREET AND 1528 WEST NORTH B
02:02:03PM STREET.
02:02:03PM THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC SMALL BEVERAGE SALES,
02:02:07PM CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF PREMISE.
02:02:12PM WE HAVE CHANGES ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
02:02:15PM READING AND CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
02:02:17PM FOR THIS LOCATION, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE CLOSING AT 11
02:02:21PM P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.
02:02:23PM AND 12 A.M. THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
02:02:25PM AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
02:02:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK?
02:02:32PM NO?
02:02:34PM ALL RIGHT, WHO IS THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 67.
02:02:36PM YES, SIR.
02:02:37PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:02:38PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
02:02:41PM COLIN RICE WITH THE LAW FIRM ON WEST CASS STREET.
02:02:47PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
02:02:48PM WE HAVE REDUCED HOURS OF OPERATION.
02:02:50PM WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
02:02:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
02:02:54PM NO?
02:02:55PM ANYONE ON THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 67.
02:02:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE.
02:02:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
02:03:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:03:01PM ANY OPPOSED.
02:03:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER AB 2-24-06, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND
02:03:10PM READING AND ADOPTION.
02:03:11PM AN ORDINANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU- FOR ALCOHOLIC
02:03:16PM BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE AND
02:03:20PM PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE
02:03:24PM OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT.
02:03:27PM BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
02:03:31PM TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1509, 1511 AND 1529 WEST NORTH A
02:03:38PM STREET AND 1528 WEST NORTH P STREET AS MORE QUICKLY
02:03:43PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PART
02:03:46PM OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED PROVIDING AN
02:03:49PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:03:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND.
02:03:54PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:03:56PM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
02:03:58PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:04:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:04:06PM ITEM NUMBER 68 -- THANK YOU, SIR.
02:04:08PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
02:04:10PM LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:04:12PM ITEM 68 IS AB 2-24-07, PROPERTY 1720 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.
02:04:22PM FOR BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY.
02:04:28PM CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
02:04:30PM THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND CERTIFIED AND BROUGHT TO THE
02:04:34PM CLERK.
02:04:34PM THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, IT IS
02:04:38PM 3 A.M. CLOSING TIME.
02:04:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:04:40PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WAS HERE.
02:04:43PM AND MAY STILL BE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THEY HAD TO LEAVE THIS
02:04:46PM MORNING WHEN WE BROKE FOR LUNCH.
02:04:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK?
02:04:50PM NO?
02:04:52PM IS THE APPLICANT HERE?
02:04:59PM NOBODY REGISTERED.
02:05:00PM EXPLAINED THAT THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE LEFT.
02:05:03PM ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 68.
02:05:06PM A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:05:08PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:05:10PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:05:11PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ 68.
02:05:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: MORE FILE NUMBER AB 2-24-07, ORDINANCE FOR
02:05:19PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
02:05:22PM PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE
02:05:25PM CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
02:05:29PM BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF
02:05:32PM LAND LOCATED 1720 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
02:05:37PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING ALL
02:05:40PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
02:05:43PM PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:05:46PM A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:05:49PM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
02:05:50PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:05:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:05:57PM WE WILL GO WITH OUR PETITIONS TO VACATE AND PETITIONS ON
02:06:00PM LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
02:06:02PM ITEM NUMBER 7.
02:06:13PM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:06:16PM SHARE THE ELMO SCREEN.
02:06:18PM ROSS SAMONS, A VAC 24-05 THE APPLICANT IS GRAHAM TYRRELL.
02:06:30PM AGENT IS ALEX SCHALER.
02:06:32PM A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF
02:06:37PM CHANNELSIDE DRIVE LOCATED NORTH OF rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 4th
02:06:40PM AVENUE AND EAST OF NUCCIO PARKWAY AND WEST OF THE MERGER
02:06:44PM BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 4th AVENUE.
02:06:46PM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA FEBRUARY
02:06:52PM 24, 2024.
02:06:54PM THE APPLICANT'S REASON IS DEVELOPMENT OF A PARK WITH AN
02:06:58PM AWARDED CITY RFP.
02:07:00PM RIGHT-OF-WAY BY CITY OF TAMPA ACQUISITION.
02:07:03PM THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 32,495 SQUARE FEET.
02:07:08PM HERE IS AN AIR YELL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING IN YELLOW.
02:07:16PM AND PETITIONER'S PROPERTY IS IN RED.
02:07:20PM THE PLAT AND THE PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS PLATTED IN
02:07:30PM LOT 20.
02:07:31PM A CLIP OF THE CITY ATLAS SHOWING PROPOSED VACATING IN
02:07:38PM YELLOW.
02:07:39PM AND PREVIOUS VACATES SURROUNDING THE AREA.
02:07:45PM HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THAT ROUNDABOUT LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM
02:07:52PM NUCCIO PARKWAY.
02:07:54PM HERE IS AN IMAGE LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
02:08:01PM AND ANOTHER IMAGE LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM 4th AVENUE.
02:08:09PM STAFF HAS -- THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS OF THIS VACATING
02:08:14PM REQUEST.
02:08:14PM EAsem*nT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY TECO.
02:08:17PM SPECIAL CONDITIONS, NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH
02:08:20PM CHAPTER 27 REGARDING TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR
02:08:24PM ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN ANY VACATED
02:08:28PM AREAS.
02:08:28PM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
02:08:30PM I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
02:08:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:08:33PM ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
02:08:35PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
02:08:36PM REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:09:02PM >> I MIGHT JUST USE THE PAPER SLIDES.
02:09:04PM I WILL JUST BE VERY BRIEF.
02:09:06PM PUT THOSE ON HERE.
02:09:07PM ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
02:09:15PM I AM TRYING NOT TO REPEAT WHAT ROSS SAID.
02:09:18PM A LOT OF THIS IS SIMILAR.
02:09:19PM ROSS ALLUDED TO THE PLAT.
02:09:21PM THE HISTORIC GRITTY GRID PATTERN OF AN ACCESS ACROSS CSX
02:09:28PM RAILROAD FROM 4th AVENUE.
02:09:29PM AERIAL, THE OLDEST ONE I CAN FIND ON DOT ARCHIVES.
02:09:35PM THE GAS WOKS PD-A WAS APPROVED.
02:09:39PM THE SITE PLAN.
02:09:40PM CLOUDED IN BLUE, THIS CROSSING WAS PART OF THIS PD-A,
02:09:45PM EXTENSION OF 4th AVENUE WEST WHICH ELIMINATES THE NEED OF
02:09:48PM THE ROUNDABOUT TAKING TRAFFIC FROM AND PUSHING TRAFFIC TO
02:09:53PM NUCCIO.
02:09:53PM NO LONGER NEEDS THE ROUNDABOUT WITH THE 4th AVENUE
02:09:56PM CONNECTION.
02:09:57PM THAT IS CITY-OWNED LAND.
02:09:58PM AS ROSS MENTIONED, THEY ISSUED AN RFM END OF LAST YEAR,
02:10:04PM BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND
02:10:08PM INTO A PUBLIC PARK.
02:10:09PM THAT RFP WAS AWARDED TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER
02:10:13PM GASWORX DEVELOPER.
02:10:15PM THE CONDITION OF RFP REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER OF THE PARK TO
02:10:19PM PURSUE THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATING.
02:10:21PM WHILE THE CITY OWNS THE LAND AND FEE SIMPLE, IT IS STILL
02:10:25PM SERVING AS RIGHT-OF-WAY AND HAS TO BE VACATED.
02:10:27PM SO THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANY OF THE REVIEWING
02:10:31PM DEPARTMENTS.
02:10:31PM AND I WILL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION WITH THAT.
02:10:34PM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:10:36PM GRAHAM TYRRELL IS HERE TOO.
02:10:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
02:10:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS THE PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE FROM THE
02:10:46PM CITY OF TAMPA THAT THIS PARK -- THIS LAND WILL STAY AS A
02:10:49PM PARK IN PERPETUITY AND NOT BE DEVELOPED ANY OTHER WAY?
02:10:52PM >> THIS IS IT STILL STAYING CITY-OWNED LAND.
02:10:54PM WE ARE LEASING IT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARK.
02:10:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE NOT TRANSFERRING IT?
02:11:00PM >> CORRECT.
02:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT?
02:11:05PM YES?
02:11:06PM THANK YOU.
02:11:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:11:08PM WE RETAIN CONTROL.
02:11:10PM ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 70.
02:11:13PM YOU WERE REGISTERED BUT YOU ARE HERE.
02:11:16PM ASK A TO MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL.
02:11:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION.
02:11:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
02:11:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:11:22PM OPPOSE?
02:11:23PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- WELL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A
02:11:26PM MOTION?
02:11:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE -- I MAKE A MOTION
02:11:31PM TO MOVE FILE NUMBER VAC-24-05.
02:11:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO GRANT THE VACATING.
02:11:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THIS, TO GRANT
02:11:41PM THE VACATING.
02:11:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:11:45PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:11:46PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:11:47PM OPPOSE?
02:11:48PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:11:49PM ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 71.
02:11:55PM WAIT.
02:11:56PM PLEASE READ THE VOTE, MA'AM.
02:11:59PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:12:01PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE JULY 18, 2024, 10 A.M.,
02:12:14PM 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 3rd FLOOR, 33602.
02:12:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 71 WAS A CONTINUED PUBLIC
02:12:24PM HEARING BECAUSE IT WAS A TIE VOTE.
02:12:26PM ANYONE HERE TO PRESENT ON ITEM NUMBER 71?
02:12:33PM >> DO YOU WANT THE APPLICANT?
02:12:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THE CITY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY
02:12:37PM BEFORE WE GO?
02:12:39PM OKAY.
02:12:40PM MISS DOCK, ARE YOU ON FOR ITEM NUMBER 71.
02:12:43PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: I AM.
02:12:44PM THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
02:12:45PM LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:12:47PM ITEM 71 IS REZ-23-84.
02:12:52PM THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM AND HOLD FIRST AT THE MAY 9 PUBLIC
02:12:56PM HEARING.
02:12:56PM THE APPLICANT HAS AMENDED THIS REZONING APPLICATION.
02:12:59PM THEY HAVE AMENDED THEIR REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RS-60 -- THE
02:13:06PM ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS RM-24 ZONING.
02:13:09PM THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN AMENDED TO RM-18.
02:13:12PM THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST READING.
02:13:15PM THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THIS CHANGE.
02:13:19PM AND HILL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT WHO BELIEVE IS
02:13:24PM REPRESENTED BY TODD PRESSMAN.
02:13:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:13:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS DOCK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU FIRST?
02:13:30PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES.
02:13:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THAT CHANGE MEANS.
02:13:34PM IS IT ADDING MORE DENSITY OR REDUCING THE DENSITY?
02:13:38PM AND WHAT DOES THAT DO?
02:13:39PM HEIGHT, BUILDING HEIGHT?
02:13:41PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THE DISCUSSION AT THE PROPOSING WAS
02:13:44PM REGARDING THE HEIGHT AND THE POSSIBLE HEIGHT ALLOWED UNDER
02:13:47PM THE RM-24.
02:13:48PM THE RM-18 ZONING DISTRICT, MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT IS ALLOWED IS
02:13:55PM 35 FEET WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WHICH IS
02:13:58PM ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.
02:14:01PM SINCE THIS SITE WAS SURROUNDED WITH RESIDENTIAL
02:14:05PM SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
02:14:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABOUT THE DENSITY?
02:14:09PM COULD YOU EXPLAIN.
02:14:10PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: SO THE DENSITY --
02:14:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: -- WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE.
02:14:16PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: IT WILL ALLOW FOR LESS UNITS ON-SITE.
02:14:19PM BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE INITIAL -- LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THE
02:14:24PM SITE FOR A SECOND.
02:14:25PM APOLOGIZE.
02:14:31PM ALLOW FOR 18 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE SITE VERSUS 24 UNITS PER
02:14:35PM ACRE.
02:14:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:14:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
02:14:39PM IF NOT, MR. PRESSMAN, COME ON UP.
02:14:42PM WERE YOU SWORN?
02:14:44PM >> YES, SIR.
02:14:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW OFF PRESENTATION OR POWERPOINT.
02:14:47PM >> TODD PRESSMAN.
02:14:48PM 00 SECOND AVENUE SOUTH, ST. PETERSBURG.
02:14:51PM THIS IS REZ 24-04.
02:14:54PM WE ARE PRIMARILY HAVE BEEN HERE REGARDING ZONING CONSISTENCY
02:14:59PM AS REQUIRED ON A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY
02:15:03PM COUNCIL.
02:15:05PM WE ARE IN THE UNIVERSITY PLANS AREA BETWEEN BUSCH BOULEVARD
02:15:09PM AND NORTH 56th.
02:15:10PM THIS SITE IS DRAWN IN ROAD AN ASSEMBLAGE OF A NUMBER OF
02:15:15PM PARCELS.
02:15:16PM THIS CAME BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
02:15:18PM FUTURE LAND USE WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY OF '24 AND AT THE
02:15:28PM DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME, THE DIRECTION WAS TO
02:15:31PM LOOK AT AND SCALE BACK THE PROJECT.
02:15:34PM THERE WAS ONE HOMEOWNER WHO HAD CONCERNS WHO WAS IN
02:15:41PM ATTENDANCE.
02:15:42PM I REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBOR WHO WAS IN THE REAR.
02:15:44PM MADE THEM AWARE WE WERE MAKING THIS CHANGE AS MISS DOCK HAS
02:15:48PM INDICATED REDUCES THE PRIMARY CONCERN FROM 60 FEET TO 35
02:15:58PM FEET WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND
02:16:00PM REDUCING DENSITY FROM RM-24 TO RM-18.
02:16:05PM WE ACCEPT SOME OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS DIRECTION IN THAT
02:16:08PM REGARD.
02:16:08PM THE SECOND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE
02:16:11PM NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DID HAVE A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD LETTER
02:16:15PM SENT IN THE FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE ARE MAKING
02:16:17PM THOSE REDUCTIONS.
02:16:18PM SO LOOKING AT THE SITE OR THE AREA -- THE AREA DOES CONTAIN
02:16:25PM A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY.
02:16:27PM THIS IS SOME OF IT HERE.
02:16:30PM THIS WILL PROVIDE A MIX OF UNITS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA A LOT
02:16:36PM OF COMP PLAN POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THIS INCLUDING MIXED
02:16:42PM INCOME DEVELOPMENT.
02:16:43PM PARTICULARLY MIXED INCOME IN THE UNIVERSITY PLANNING
02:16:47PM DISTRICT WHICH IS THE AREA WE ARE IN.
02:16:49PM SUSTAINABILITY AND IMPROVE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS
02:16:54PM WHICH THIS WILL COMPLY WITH.
02:16:55PM GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND LAND USE DENSITY OF FUTURE
02:16:59PM DEVELOPMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD BUFFERS ARE ENHANCED.
02:17:04PM MULTIFAMILY ZONE TO PROVIDE A SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT BUILDING
02:17:07PM THAT DIFFERS FROM SINGLE-FAMILY LOW DENSITY.
02:17:09PM AND IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO THE SITE, THERE IS ACCESS BOTH
02:17:13PM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST.
02:17:15PM SO WITH THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND
02:17:22PM CONSIDERATION FOR THE REDUCTION OF THE SITE THAT WE ACCEPTED
02:17:24PM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
02:17:26PM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:17:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
02:17:29PM AND I APOLOGIZE I DID NOT CATCH THIS ON THE AGENDA EARLIER,
02:17:34PM BUT IT SAYS, CONTINUED FROM MAY 29 PURSUANT TO COUNCIL RULES
02:17:39PM OF PROCEDURES DUE TO LACK OF TWO-THIRDS WITH VIERA, AND
02:17:45PM VOTING NO.
02:17:45PM I AM PRETTY SURE THAT WAS A MOTION TO DENY.
02:17:49PM >> YOU HAD A MOTION TO DENY AND IT WAS A TIE VOTE WHY IT
02:17:54PM AUTOMATICALLY ROLLED OVER.
02:17:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO BE SURE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SAY
02:17:59PM "MOTION OF DENIAL."
02:18:00PM MAKES IT IMPLIED THAT THE OTHER THREE VOTED YES FOR APPROVAL
02:18:04PM WHEN IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
02:18:05PM I WANTED -- WHATEVER THE RECORD IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IS
02:18:08PM CLEAR.
02:18:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, I THOUGHT ITS BEING
02:18:13PM GAS LIT.
02:18:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I REALIZED WHAT IT WAS.
02:18:16PM A VOTE FOR DENIAL.
02:18:17PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS -- EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MATTER, IN
02:18:20PM THE FUTURE IF WE CAN MAKE SURE -- THAT THE RECORD -- DID
02:18:25PM THAT MAKE SENSE?
02:18:26PM >>CATE WELLS: I THINK THAT WILL BE A CLERK FUNCTION WITH THE
02:18:29PM AGENDA.
02:18:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE.
02:18:32PM THANK YOU.
02:18:32PM >>CATE WELLS: I LOOKED AT MY NOTES.
02:18:34PM IT WAS A MOTION -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU MADE THE MOTION
02:18:38PM TO DENY.
02:18:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:18:39PM WE WILL WORK ON THAT WITH THE CLERK.
02:18:41PM THANK YOU.
02:18:41PM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT
02:18:45PM IS NOT HOW THE VOTE WENT.
02:18:47PM >>CATE WELLS: YES, MA'AM, ABSOLUTELY.
02:18:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:18:51PM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC -- DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR
02:18:54PM PRESENTATION, SIR?
02:18:55PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK.
02:18:57PM COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
02:19:00PM >> I OWN THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK BEHIND -- ADJACENT --
02:19:03PM DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY.
02:19:06PM PUT UP AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON A LAND-LOCKED LOT.
02:19:14PM AND WHAT I HAVE NOT HEARD OF IS THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.
02:19:20PM AND ANYTHING IN THAT AREA NORTH OF BUSCH BETWEEN 46th AND
02:19:25PM 56th BASICALLY COMES TO THE LAKE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
02:19:29PM ADJACENT HOUSE TO MINE, FIVE HOUSES ALONGSIDE MY HOUSE ALL
02:19:34PM HAVE A FOUR-FOOT DRAINAGE DITCH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
02:19:40PM AND BEHIND THE HOUSES IN THEIR YARD WHICH IS THE SIDE OF MY
02:19:43PM YARD IS ALSO BASICALLY A LOW SPOT WHERE ALL THE WATER COMES
02:19:49PM THROUGH.
02:19:50PM IF YOU PUT UP THAT MANY APARTMENT IN MY BACK YARD, THAT IS
02:19:55PM JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT WHOLE FLOODING SITUATION WORSE.
02:19:57PM I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY FROM THE CITY HAS CHECKED WITH THE
02:20:02PM DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA REGARDING THE
02:20:05PM LAKE ACROSS THE STREET.
02:20:06PM FLOODING ON TO THE STREET.
02:20:08PM SO -- TO PUT APARTMENTS THERE, THAT WILL JUST MAKE IT WORSE.
02:20:16PM I DON'T MIND THEM BUILDING THERE.
02:20:17PM I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM, BUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN MY
02:20:21PM BACK YARD?
02:20:26PM NONE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS COULD COME TODAY BECAUSE NOBODY
02:20:29PM COULD TAKE OFF OF WORK AT THIS TIME.
02:20:31PM THAT IS MY OPPOSITION OF THAT.
02:20:32PM I DON'T WANT THEM BUILDING SOMETHING THAT BIG IS JUST GOING
02:20:36PM TO MAKE THE FLOODING PROBLEM IN THE AREA WORSE.
02:20:39PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
02:20:42PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ADDRESSED THAT.
02:20:46PM THE DRAINAGE.
02:20:46PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE NO SITE PLAN.
02:20:49PM I BUILT MY HOUSE THERE, YOU GUYS REQUIRED ME TO HAVE A SITE
02:20:52PM PLAN.
02:20:52PM I HAD TO SHOW HOW THE DRAINAGE WAS GOING TO WORK.
02:20:55PM THERE IS NONE OF THAT HERE.
02:20:57PM YOU ARE BASICALLY WRITING A BLANK CHECK TO PUT UP 26
02:21:01PM APARTMENTS, HOWEVER YOU CAN FIT THEM IN, AND LET'S FORGET
02:21:05PM ABOUT THE REST.
02:21:05PM YEAH, THE CITY WANTS MORE TAX MONEY, BUT AT WHAT COST WHEN
02:21:10PM IT IS GOING TO COST THE CITY MORE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM
02:21:13PM THAT THEY HAVE NOW OR MAKE IT WORSE.
02:21:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
02:21:18PM YES?
02:21:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN.
02:21:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON UP, SIR.
02:21:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PUT THAT MAP THAT YOU HAD UP AND PUT
02:21:27PM IT DOWN.
02:21:27PM HAVE IT FACE TOWARD YOU.
02:21:28PM CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND?
02:21:32PM >> MY HOUSE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE?
02:21:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:21:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:21:38PM ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?
02:21:40PM YES, COME ON UP, SIR.
02:21:42PM AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:21:51PM >> I AM MICHAEL AND OWNER OF --
02:21:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE WOULD BE PART OF THE POSITION?
02:22:00PM >> I AM THE OWNER OF THE LAND.
02:22:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU REPRESENTING THIS PERSON, THEN?
02:22:08PM IS THAT PART OF YOUR REBUTTAL?
02:22:10PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE REBUTTAL, IF I MAY.
02:22:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
02:22:16PM >> I DIDN'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN WAS GOING TO SPEAK.
02:22:18PM DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE?
02:22:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES, BUT THAT
02:22:24PM WILL BE PART OF YOUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.
02:22:26PM IT WON'T CUT INTO YOUR REBUTTAL, BUT WILL BE PART OF YOUR
02:22:29PM PRESENTATION.
02:22:30PM >> I WILL TAKE OF THE REBUTTAL WHEN IT IS TIMELY.
02:22:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE WILL NOT SPEAK?
02:22:38PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
02:22:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:22:39PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:22:40PM ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOT A OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY OR
02:22:44PM AFFILIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY?
02:22:48PM >> COUNCILMEMBER, IF I MAY MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD.
02:22:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WHO IS SPEAK SOMETHING IN.
02:22:52PM >> THIS IS DANNY COLLINS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
02:22:55PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION.
02:22:57PM THE APPLICANT REFERENCED TO SEE DRINK FLORIDA THE
02:23:04PM UNINCORPORATED COUNTY PLAN AND SPECIAL AREA STUDIES
02:23:09PM PROVIDING GREATER FLEXIBILITY OF LAND USE AND DENSITY FOR
02:23:12PM FUTURE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT WHILE ENSURING THAT THE
02:23:15PM NEIGHBORHOOD BUFFERS ARE ENHANCED.
02:23:17PM THAT POLICY IS WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED PLAN AND DOES NOT
02:23:21PM INVOLVE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:23:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:23:27PM MR. PRESSMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE REBUTTAL AT THE TIME.
02:23:31PM >> YES.
02:23:31PM WE SENT NOTICES TO 37 RESIDENTS.
02:23:35PM WE HAVE ONE HERE, MR. DELGADO.
02:23:38PM THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER COMMENTS OF OPPOSITION OR CONCERN
02:23:41PM FROM THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
02:23:42PM AS I HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM MR. DELGADO, HAS TO DO WITH
02:23:52PM STORMWATER.
02:23:53PM ONCE THIS COMES IN WITH SITE PLANNING, THE CITY AND AGENCIES
02:23:56PM ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS VERY CLOSELY FOR STORMWATER AND
02:23:59PM DRAINAGE.
02:24:00PM MORE THAN THAT THIS IS A VACANT OPEN SITE AND THE WATER --
02:24:06PM STORMWATER IS GOING WHEREVER GOD AND NATURAL FORCES
02:24:09PM INTENDED.
02:24:11PM ONCE THAT IS DEVELOPED, ALL THAT WILL BE CONTROLLED.
02:24:13PM THE SITUATION FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE WILL BE IMPROVED
02:24:18PM ONCE THIS PROPERTY COMES IN FOR ENGINEERING AND THEN
02:24:21PM ENGINEERING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE SEPARATE AGENCIES.
02:24:23PM SO THAT IS AN ELEMENT YOU KNOW WILL HAVE TO BE CONTROLLED
02:24:30PM AND REGULATED AND THE ONLY OPPOSITION AND POINT OF CONCERN
02:24:33PM THAT I HEARD RAISED TODAY.
02:24:36PM WITH THAT, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
02:24:39PM THANK YOU.
02:24:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:24:41PM THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
02:24:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I ASK A QUESTION, IF I MAY.
02:24:45PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE.
02:24:48PM FOR MR. WELLS AND MR. SHELBY, THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP AND
02:24:51PM SPOKE OF FLOODING ISSUES.
02:24:53PM IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR MY OFFICE TO SPEAK WITH HIM, NOT ON
02:24:56PM THIS BUT JUST ON THAT ISSUE IN GENERAL.
02:24:59PM IS THAT APPROPRIATE?
02:25:01PM OR SHOULD WE WAIT --
02:25:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION WILL BE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO
02:25:05PM WAIT UNTIL THIS IS OVER AND COMPLETE.
02:25:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I ASK HIM TO CONTACT MY OFFICE ONCE WE
02:25:11PM FINISH WITH THIS.
02:25:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THE 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD.
02:25:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: CONTACT MY OFFICE AND LET'S SAY -- IF THIS
02:25:21PM PASSES, CONTACT MY OFFICE PLEASE AND LET'S SAY 45 DAYS AND
02:25:25PM WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
02:25:26PM OKAY.
02:25:26PM >> WITH THE DRAINAGE?
02:25:28PM I MEAN, I AM SURE --
02:25:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST -- JUST DO THAT.
02:25:31PM THAT'S IT.
02:25:32PM THANK YOU, SIR.
02:25:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM
02:25:35PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:25:35PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:25:37PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:25:38PM OPPOSED?
02:25:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT.
02:25:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:25:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO REFERENCE THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL.
02:25:45PM I THINK YOU HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AS WELL, IT IS A LITTLE
02:25:48PM FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THE SITE PLANS.
02:25:50PM ALL THAT WILL BE COMING ONE THE PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED.
02:25:52PM I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT LISTENED TO COUNCIL
02:25:57PM ON THE FIRST READING AND REDUCED DENSITY AND ALSO
02:26:00PM POTENTIALLY REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE
02:26:03PM BUILDING.
02:26:03PM SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK A MORE PALATABLE PROJECT FOR
02:26:12PM THIS PROPERTY.
02:26:12PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:26:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:26:15PM YES, MA'AM.
02:26:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I -- WELL, IT HAS BEEN CLOSED, BUT I HIGHLY
02:26:20PM RECOMMEND THAT THE DEVELOPER THEN REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY
02:26:23PM AND SHOW THEM SITE PLANS ONCE THAT SORT OF THING IS FURTHER
02:26:27PM ALONG.
02:26:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, CORRECT?
02:26:33PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WILL YOU MIND READING THE SUBSTITUTE
02:26:37PM ORDINANCE READING.
02:26:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST
02:26:46PM READING.
02:26:46PM ORDINANCE PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 5006 EAST 97th
02:26:53PM AVENUE -- I WANT TO SURE I GOT THE RIGHT ONE.
02:26:57PM EAST 97th AVENUE FOLIO NUMBER 142348-0025, 142830-5075,
02:27:10PM 142830-50/50, 142830-5025, AND 142830-5000 IN THE CITY OF
02:27:21PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED SECTION 1 WERE
02:27:24PM ZONING DISTRICT FROM RS-60 TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
02:27:30PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:27:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
02:27:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR.
02:27:35PM AYE.
02:27:37PM ANY OPPOSED.
02:27:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY.
02:27:40PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
02:27:42PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION JULY 18 AT 10 A.M.
02:27:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GO TO --
02:27:47PM >> WHAT IS THE SECOND HEARING DATE?
02:27:49PM >>CLERK: JULY 18, 2024 AT 10 A.M. OLD CITY HALL, TAMPA,
02:27:56PM FLORIDA, 33602.
02:28:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:28:03PM WE NOW GO TO ITEM 72.
02:28:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MA'AM.
02:28:06PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND CITY
02:28:12PM COUNCIL, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:28:13PM ITEM NUMBER 2 IS PUBLIC HEARING FOR CITY COUNCIL'S
02:28:17PM RECOMMENDATION OF A RECOMMENDED ORDER FROM A HEARING
02:28:19PM OFFICER.
02:28:20PM IT WAS A PETITION FOR REVIEW ACTION FOR VARIANCE REVIEW
02:28:24PM BOARD QUESTION 23-53.
02:28:27PM THE ORDINANCE -- THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS A
02:28:32PM PETITIONER WHO IN THIS CASE -- LIKE THIS CASE WHOSE
02:28:35PM APPLICATION WAS AT THE I NEED TO OPT TO HAVE A HEARING
02:28:38PM OFFICER HEAR AN APPEAL FROM A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION
02:28:44PM RATHER IT COMING DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL WHICH IS THE NORMAL
02:28:47PM COURSE OF THESE THINGS.
02:28:48PM IN THIS CASE, THE VARIANCE APPLICATION WAS DENIED.
02:28:51PM VARIANCE APPLICATION SEEKING REMOVAL OF A GRAND TREE.
02:28:54PM DENIED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
02:28:57PM THE APPLICANT FILED A PETITION FOR REVIEW AND OPTED UNDER
02:29:00PM 27-16-J-1 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE THE MATTER GO
02:29:05PM TO A HEARING OFFICER.
02:29:05PM HEARING OFFICER HELD A REVIEW HEARING MARCH 5, 2024, AND
02:29:12PM RECOMMENDED ORDER DENYING THE PETITION AND AFFIRMING THE
02:29:15PM DECISIONS OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
02:29:17PM THE CODE AS YOU MATE RECALL GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
02:29:20PM PARTICIPANTS OR PARTIES TO FILE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE
02:29:24PM RECOMMENDED ORDER AND ALSO REQUEST ORAL ARGUMENT.
02:29:26PM SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHELBY TO GO OVER WHAT COUNCIL
02:29:35PM MAY DO WITH THOSE REQUESTS.
02:29:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY.
02:29:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:29:47PM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
02:29:50PM I AM PASSING OUT FOR YOUR REFERENCE -- TO HAVE THAT IN FRONT
02:29:54PM OF YOU.
02:29:54PM IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT AND WANT TO ELECTRONICALLY AN
02:29:58PM WANT A HARD COPY.
02:29:58PM I PROVIDED RESOLUTION 2024-380 A RESOLUTION SETTING THIS
02:30:04PM PUBLIC HEARING THAT SETS FORTH EXACTLY WHAT IS TO TAKE
02:30:08PM PLACE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY ATTACHED TO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE
02:30:13PM ORDER THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARING.
02:30:15PM THIS RECOMMENDED ORDER BY THE HEARING OFFICER.
02:30:18PM AND THIS IS -- THIS IS BEING REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION
02:30:24PM 27-61-J-1.
02:30:27PM RATHER THAN THIS GOING AS A DE NOVO HEARING COMING TO YOU
02:30:34PM FROM THE VRB.
02:30:36PM THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THE APPLICANT OR THE PERSON
02:30:39PM SEEKING REVIEW ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF TO SEND THIS TO A
02:30:43PM HEARING OFFICER.
02:30:43PM THAT IS WHAT THEY CHOSE TO DO IN THIS CASE WHICH IS WHY IT
02:30:47PM IS COMING TO YOU IN THIS FORMAT.
02:30:49PM WHICH MEMBERS YOU DON'T HEAR THINGS DE NOVO, YOU HAVE TO
02:30:53PM RELY ON THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AND REVIEW THAT AND MAKE
02:31:01PM CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS.
02:31:02PM IF PARTIES HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THE RECOMMENDED ORDER,
02:31:06PM THEY HAVE TEN WORKING DAYS TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE CLERK'S
02:31:08PM OFFICE.
02:31:09PM AND ALSO IDENTIFY DISPUTED PORTIONS OF THE RECOMMENDED ORDER
02:31:13PM BY PAGE NUMBER AND PARAGRAPH OF CITATIONS TO EVIDENCE IN THE
02:31:17PM RECORD.
02:31:17PM AND THEN ALSO, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THERE IS A REQUEST BY
02:31:22PM THE -- BY THE PETITIONER'S COUNSEL, THE ATTORNEY, FOR ORAL
02:31:28PM ARGUMENT.
02:31:28PM SO I AM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE LAST TWO PAGES
02:31:32PM THAT I GAVE YOU, WHICH IS 27-61.
02:31:35PM THE REVIEW STANDARDS THAT GOVERN THIS HEARING.
02:31:38PM WITH REGARD TO THE THRESHOLD OF WHETHER YOU WILL ALLOW ORAL
02:31:42PM ARGUMENT.
02:31:42PM LET ME READ WHAT IT SAYS.
02:31:45PM CITY COUNCIL MAY ONLY ALLOW PUBLIC DISCUSSION UPON A REQUEST
02:31:48PM OF ORAL ARGUMENT FILED BY A PARTY OR UPON ITS OWN MOTION.
02:31:54PM THIS HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING THIS.
02:31:55PM AND YOU CAN ALSO DO IT UPON YOUR OWN MOTION IF YOU SO CHOOSE
02:32:01PM CITY COUNCIL IS RESTRICTED -- LET ME READ TO YOU HOW.
02:32:04PM CITY COUNCIL CAN ONLY OPEN THE MEETING FOR ORAL ARGUMENT IF
02:32:07PM THE CITY COUNCIL FINDS THAT THE HEARING OFFICER DID NOT
02:32:10PM ADDRESS A MATTER INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD OR THE
02:32:13PM RECOMMENDED ORDER CONTAINS AMBIGUITY.
02:32:15PM IF CITY COUNCIL ALLOWS ORAL ARGUMENT, CITY COUNCIL MAY LIMIT
02:32:22PM OKAY ORAL ARGUMENT ADDRESSING ONLY THOSE MATTERS OF WHICH IT
02:32:25PM OPENED ORAL ARGUMENT.
02:32:26PM AGAIN, THAT REQUEST HAD BEEN MADE.
02:32:28PM AND, AGAIN, THERE ARE RULES THAT TAKE PLACE IF THE CITY
02:32:33PM COUNCIL APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT.
02:32:35PM AND IT SAYS THE CONSENT MUST BE THE SAME AS THE CONTENT OF
02:32:41PM TESTIMONY SUBMITTED VERBALLY OR TO THE HEARING OFFICER.
02:32:44PM IF THAT GOVERN IT IS IF YOU -- IF YOU ANSWER THE THRESHOLD
02:32:48PM QUESTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, IF YOU WANT ORAL ARGUMENT.
02:32:52PM NOW WITH REGARD TO THE FINAL ORDER, HERE IS COUNCIL'S ROLE.
02:32:55PM COUNCIL -- CITY COUNCIL MAY ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS
02:33:00PM THE FINAL ORDER OR REJECT OR MODIFY THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS
02:33:04PM PROVIDED HEREIN.
02:33:07PM CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT REJECT OR MODIFY ANY FINDS OF FACT
02:33:11PM REACHED BY THE HEARING OFFICER.
02:33:13PM IF CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT A FINDING OF FACT IS NOT
02:33:17PM BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD OR A
02:33:21PM FINDING OF FACT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS
02:33:24PM OF LAW, CITY COUNCIL MAY REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO THE
02:33:27PM HEARING OFFICER.
02:33:28PM BUT -- BUT ONLY IF IT DETERMINES THAT ADDITIONAL FACT FIND
02:33:32PM SOMETHING REQUIRED.
02:33:32PM IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS OR MODIFIES THE COP COLLUSION OF
02:33:36PM LAW, IT MUST STATE WITH PARTICULAR TEE IN THE ORDER ITS
02:33:40PM REASONS AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THE SUBSTITUTION OF A
02:33:44PM CONCLUSION OF LAW IS THAT IS REASONABLY REJECTED OR
02:33:49PM MODIFIED.
02:33:49PM IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS A REVISED ORDER TO BE PREPARED, IT
02:33:55PM WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU 45 DAYS BEFORE ADOPTION.
02:33:57PM AGAIN, FINAL VOTE RENDERED BY CITY COUNCIL WILL BE DEEMED
02:34:01PM FINAL AND APPEALED TO A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION IN A
02:34:06PM MATTER SET FORTH BY APPLICABLE LAW.
02:34:08PM IN REVIEWING THIS, COUNCIL, TO SEE IF THE CRITERIA IS MET, I
02:34:13PM AM NOT ABLE TO MAKE A FINDING.
02:34:15PM I AM NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A FINDING AT THIS TIME TO SAY THAT
02:34:18PM THE CRITERIA WAS MET.
02:34:19PM SO IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE ORAL ARGUMENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO
02:34:28PM MAKE IT ON ITS OWN MOTION IRRESPECTIVE WHAT MY
02:34:32PM RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE HAD I MADE IT.
02:34:34PM NOW IN COUNCIL'S COURT TO WANT TO AS A THRESHOLD QUESTION,
02:34:37PM GRANT THE REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT.
02:34:41PM AND IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, WE HAVE A PROCEDURE TO
02:34:46PM FOLLOW.
02:34:46PM IF YOUR ANSWER IS NO, YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO ACCEPT, REJECT OR
02:34:50PM MODIFY THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS PROVIDED.
02:34:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAD HIS HAND UP AND
02:34:57PM THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:34:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK HURTAK WAS FIRST.
02:35:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA.
02:35:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:35:03PM I ACTUALLY -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOT ALLOW
02:35:12PM ORAL ARGUMENT AND TO UPHOLD THE -- THE DECISION BY THE
02:35:18PM HEARING OFFICER THAT FINDS -- THAT UPHOLDS THE VARIANCE
02:35:22PM REVIEW'S DECISION.
02:35:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
02:35:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
02:35:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:35:28PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:35:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
02:35:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR.
02:35:33PM ANY OPPOSED?
02:35:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR CLARITY, IS THAT TO ADOPT THE
02:35:38PM RECOMMENDED ORDER AS THE FINAL ORDER.
02:35:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT.
02:35:41PM I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING TO VOTE THAT QUICKLY.
02:35:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WILL BE THE SECOND MOTION FOR THAT.
02:35:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, SORRY, I WILL LET YOU MAKE THE SECOND
02:35:49PM MOTION.
02:35:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:35:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDER FROM
02:35:56PM THE HEARING OFFICER.
02:35:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
02:36:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS THE FINAL ORDER.
02:36:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS STATED.
02:36:03PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WITH A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS ORDER AND
02:36:06PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:36:09PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:36:10PM OPPOSED?
02:36:11PM THAT SETTLES EVERYTHING?
02:36:14PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:36:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS QUICK.
02:36:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:36:22PM ITEM NUMBER 73.
02:36:27PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
02:36:28PM PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:36:30PM ITEM NUMBER 73 IS A REVIEW HEARING.
02:36:33PM YOUR TRADITIONAL REVIEW HEARINGS OF A STAFF DECISION.
02:36:36PM FOR DE 124-39-C FOR THE PROPERTY 3206 EAST EMMA STREET.
02:36:47PM THE APPLICANT IS FLORIDA TRUSTEE SERVICES LCC.
02:36:51PM ASKED CITY STAFF FOR A WAIVER SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE
02:36:54PM CODE SECTION -- CITY OF TAMPA 27-240-E-1-H 2.
02:37:05PM STAFF DENIED THE REQUEST APRIL 25, 2024.
02:37:08PM IN THE PACKETS I HAVE GIVEN TO COUNCIL.
02:37:10PM COPIES OF CODE ELECTION 27-61.
02:37:14PM I PROVIDED A KEEP OF 27-240-E 1-H-2 THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY
02:37:21PM DISTRICT STANDARDS AND THE STAFF REPORT A COPY OF CODE
02:37:25PM SECTIONS 27-60, WHICH IS THE CRITERIA USED FOR THE
02:37:29PM ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
02:37:31PM I HAVE ALSO PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE
02:37:35PM FOR CITY COUNCIL TO USE OR TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW HEARING.
02:37:39PM AS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, CODE SECTION 27-61-J-3 PROVIDES
02:37:47PM A STANDARD OF REVIEW, A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW.
02:37:51PM THAT MEANS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS NOT LIMITED TO REVIEW OF
02:37:54PM THAT INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED DURING THE
02:37:57PM APPLICATION PROCESS.
02:37:58PM CITY COUNCIL MAY RECEIVE NEW INFORMATION.
02:38:01PM STAFF IS PRESENT TO GIVE FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THE
02:38:06PM APPLICATION IS DAVID HUNTER.
02:38:07PM HE WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED AND THE BASIS
02:38:10PM OF THE DENIAL.
02:38:11PM AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL THE EVIDENCE, CITY COUNCIL CAN
02:38:14PM AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND,
02:38:17PM THEREFORE, DENY THE REQUEST FROM THE PETITIONER OR CITY
02:38:22PM COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE REQUEST OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
02:38:26PM AND, THEREFORE, GRANT THE REQUEST, THE SPECIFIC WAIVER
02:38:29PM REQUIREMENT THAT THE PETITIONER IS ASKING FOR.
02:38:32PM WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HUNTER.
02:38:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
02:38:39PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:38:41PM IS THE POWERPOINT UP?
02:38:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS COMING UP.
02:38:44PM ALMOST THERE.
02:39:01PM A 56-K MODEM.
02:39:27PM >> THE DIAL-UP.
02:39:27PM SOMEBODY PICKED UP THE PHONE.
02:39:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT HAPPENED?
02:39:37PM >> DO YOU HAVE IT PRINTED OUT?
02:39:39PM WE CAN MAKE COPIES.
02:39:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE THE PAPERS, DOCUMENTS FOR
02:39:43PM THE PRESENTATION.
02:39:44PM THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT.
02:39:46PM >> ALL RIGHT.
02:39:48PM I AM GOING TO IGNORE MY HAND WRITTEN NOTES ON THIS.
02:39:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD, WE CAN ALL SEE
02:39:55PM IT.
02:39:55PM THERE YOU GO, PERFECT.
02:39:56PM >> ALL RIGHT.
02:39:57PM MY NAME IS DAVID HUNTER, THE PLANNING AND DESIGN COORDINATOR
02:40:02PM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:40:03PM I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK.
02:40:07PM THIS IS FOUR DE 1-24-9 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3206 EAST
02:40:16PM EMMA AVENUE.
02:40:18PM THE REQUEST IS FOR EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS FOR A DRIVEWAY TO
02:40:22PM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS ALLOWED IN
02:40:27PM THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY.
02:40:31PM THE PROJECT IS ZONED RS-50 AND IN THE GENERALLY RESIDENTIAL
02:40:40PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:40:40PM THIS IS AN AFTER-THE-FACT CONDITION.
02:40:43PM IT IS PART OF COMPLAINT AS WELL AS A CODE VIOLATION WHICH
02:40:47PM WAS FILED ON -- IN AUGUST OF '23.
02:40:52PM THE COMPLAINT STATED PULL ALL REQUIRED PERMITS FOR THE FULL
02:40:56PM INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR REMODEL TO INCLUDE NEW WINDOWS, DOORS,
02:41:01PM AND ENCLOSING THE CARPORT INTO LIVING SPACE AND ANY OTHER
02:41:04PM WORK.
02:41:06PM IN OCTOBER, A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER FILED A BUILDING FOR
02:41:13PM KITCHEN CABINET REPLACEMENT, TILE AND CARPORT ENCLOSURE TO
02:41:18PM SECOND LIVING ROOM AREA.
02:41:20PM THIS IS A CURRENT AERIAL.
02:41:22PM I PROMISE THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WAS IN COLOR.
02:41:25PM BUT THIS IS A CURRENT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN IN FEBRUARY.
02:41:29PM NOTHING TOO MUCH TO NOTICE THERE.
02:41:31PM LOOKING NORTH, YOU CAN START TO SEE THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT
02:41:36PM DOES MEET THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
02:41:40PM GOING THROUGH -- I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN A CASE LIKE
02:41:46PM THIS, TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE, THE PROJECT.
02:41:48PM AND WE GET TO A CONTEXT OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
02:41:54PM I AM USING THIS BY GOOGLE OR STREET VIEW THAT GOES BACK TO
02:41:57PM 2007.
02:41:58PM YOU WILL SEE THE PROGRESSION OVER TIME.
02:41:59PM SO THIS WAS, AGAIN, DECEMBER 2007.
02:42:03PM 2011.
02:42:05PM YOU START TO SEE SOME WORK IN THE FRONT YARD, AS WELL AS A
02:42:09PM NONCOMPLIANT DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT THERE.
02:42:12PM 2014.
02:42:17PM 2015, THEY REMOVED SOME OF THE LAND -- OR THE YARDWORK.
02:42:24PM 2018, THIS IS A NONCOMPLIANT FENCE AS WELL AS A CAR PARKED
02:42:33PM IN WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NONCOMPLIANT DRIVEWAY.
02:42:35PM 2019.
02:42:37PM 2022.
02:42:39PM THIS IS -- THIS IS -- MAY OF '22, THIS WILL BE THE LAST YEAR
02:42:45PM BEFORE IT WAS SOLD TO THE CURRENT OWNER.
02:42:48PM AND THEN, OF COURSE, 2023, YOU CAN SEE THE CARPORT HAS BEEN
02:42:54PM ENCLOSED.
02:42:55PM AND IT WAS TAKEN IN NOVEMBER.
02:42:57PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER.
02:43:02PM THEY LIST THE AREA IN QUESTION.
02:43:04PM THEY STILL SHOW IT AS A -- AS A FINISHED CARPORT.
02:43:08PM AND ABOUT TWO BEDROOMS.
02:43:11PM AND AN APPRAISED VALUE OF 156.
02:43:16PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY AIR PRAISER HAS NOT BEEN
02:43:19PM UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CURRENT DIRECTION OF THIS EITHER.
02:43:22PM TO THE DE.
02:43:23PM THIS WAS THE BOUNDARY AND TOP GRAPHICAL SURVEY SUBMITTED AS
02:43:29PM PART OF THE DE.
02:43:30PM PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
02:43:32PM NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS.
02:43:34PM THIS WAS THEIR JUSTIFICATION.
02:43:39PM I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE IS THE
02:43:43PM TAKEAWAY WHICH IS AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE, THE CARPORT WAS
02:43:47PM ENCLOSED AND UNKNOWINGLY A VIOLATION OF THE EAST TAMPA
02:43:51PM DESIGN STANDARDS.
02:43:52PM THE SURVEY AND THIS LETTER OF JUSTIFICATION IS WHAT WE
02:43:56PM RECEIVE TO REVIEW THIS PROJECT.
02:43:57PM WE HAVE GONE OVER THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOUND IN 27-06.
02:44:07PM THIS IS THE CRITERIA WE LOOK AT IN EVALUATING A PROJECT LIKE
02:44:11PM THIS.
02:44:11PM AND THE STAFF DETERMINATION.
02:44:13PM THE APPLICANT, AS MENTIONED, IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE
02:44:17PM ALTERNATIVE DESIGN RELATED TO DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION
02:44:20PM REGULATIONS SPECIFIED IN 27-40, SUBSECTIONS 1-H-2 TO THE
02:44:28PM DRIVEWAY GOING TO THE FRONT FACADE.
02:44:29PM THREE PRIMARY REASONS WHY WE DISAPPROVED THIS.
02:44:33PM THE FIRST WAS ACCORDING TO THE --
02:44:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT SO WE CAN SEE THAT?
02:44:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ZOOM OUT SO WE CAN SEEK THAT BETTER?
02:44:41PM >> OH, I AM SORRY.
02:44:42PM ACCORDING TO THE EXISTING REGULATION, DRIVEWAYS DIRECTLY
02:44:46PM CONNECTING THE ROAD TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN BUILDING
02:44:51PM ARE GENERALLY PROHIBITED IN EAST TAMPA.
02:44:54PM THE EXCEPTION EXISTS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY MEETS OR LEADS TO AN
02:45:00PM ATTACHED GARAGE OR CARPORT AS IT PREVIOUSLY DID.
02:45:04PM THIS ENSURES THAT THE DRIVEWAYS ARE USED FOR PROPER
02:45:07PM VEHICULAR AND STORAGE AESTHETICS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:45:11PM THIS WOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER ZONING AND DESIGN
02:45:14PM STANDARDS OF THE ORDINANCE.
02:45:15PM THE VIOLATION AT SOME POINT AROUND 2022, THE EXISTING
02:45:21PM CARPORT WAS ENCLOSED INTO LIVING SPACE WHICH VIOLATES THE
02:45:24PM INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
02:45:26PM THE ORDINANCE SEEMS TO ENSURE THAT PROVIDES ACCESS OF
02:45:31PM VEHICULAR STORAGE AREAS SUCH AS GARAGES AND CAR PORTS.
02:45:34PM AND WE FOUND THIS BY APPROVING THIS REQUEST WILL SET A
02:45:39PM PRECEDENCE THAT ALLOW FOR THE CONVERSION OF DESIGNATED
02:45:43PM PARKING AREAS AND UNDERMINING THE ORDINANCES PURPOSE.
02:45:48PM THE APPLICANT'S LETTER OF JUSTIFICATION.
02:45:53PM THE LETTER STATED THAT THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED THE
02:45:56PM PROPERTY IN LATE 2022.
02:45:58PM IT WAS NOTED AT THE TIME OF THE PURCHASE, THE CARPORT WAS
02:46:01PM ALREADY ENCLOSED WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF THE EAST TAMPA
02:46:04PM STANDARD -- DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE APPLICATION -- THE
02:46:08PM APPLICANT CLAIMS THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE VIOLATION.
02:46:10PM URBAN DESIGN FEELS IT IS EXPLANATION/DEPTH AND WANT TO
02:46:19PM ADDRESS WHY THE EXCEPTION CAN BE MADE TO THE EXISTING
02:46:22PM REGULATIONS.
02:46:22PM SIMPLY STATING UNAWARENESS OF THE VIOLATION DOES NOT
02:46:26PM CONSTITUTE A VALID JUSTIFICATION PER THE CRITERIA OF THE
02:46:31PM ALTERNATIVE DESIGN REQUEST.
02:46:32PM ADDITIONALLY, BOUNDARY SURVEY -- THE BOUNDARY SURVEY
02:46:36PM SUBMITTED WAS A STANDARD SURVEY AND DOES NOT HIGHLIGHT ANY
02:46:39PM UNIQUE OR EXCEPTIONAL FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD
02:46:42PM WARRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE.
02:46:45PM ON THE CONTRARY, WHAT THE SURVEY DID SHOW, THERE WAS AMPLE
02:46:50PM ROOM IN THE BACK YARD, AS WELL AS THE SIDE YARD FOR
02:46:56PM EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WHILE CONTINUING TO
02:46:59PM MAINTAIN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS.
02:47:03PM THIS INDICATES THAT THE ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS ARE AVAILABLE
02:47:06PM THAT DO STILL COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT STANDARDS.
02:47:09PM IN OTHER WORDS, THE SURVEY DID NOT DEMONSTRATE ANY
02:47:12PM PARTICULAR UNIQUE CHALLENGES TO THE PROPERTY.
02:47:14PM THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS.
02:47:16PM FINALLY THERE ARE SITE PLAN -- SORRY, THE CODE STIPULATES
02:47:21PM THAT EACH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE MUST PROVIDE TWO PARKING
02:47:24PM SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT.
02:47:27PM THIS IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE WHEN PEOPLE GO TO ENCLOSE A
02:47:33PM CARPORT.
02:47:33PM IT IS NOT NECESSARILY -- NOT COMPLIANT WITH STANDARDS.
02:47:36PM AND ON A BROADER STANDARD WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL.
02:47:40PM TO COMPLY WITH EACH --TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE EACH
02:47:43PM PARKING SPACE MUST MEASURE 9 FEET BY 18 FEET WHICH THEY
02:47:49PM DON'T HAVE FOR THE TWO PARKING SPACE.
02:47:51PM WILL NOT MEET THE CONVENTIONAL REQUIREMENTS RENDERING
02:47:56PM INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE.
02:47:56PM THIS NONCOMPLIANCE MEANING THE SITE PLAN FAILS TO PROVIDE
02:48:01PM THE NECESSARY AND ADEQUATE PARKING SPACES FOR DWELLING AS
02:48:04PM MANDATED BY THE ORDINANCE AS A RESULT, IT INCREASES
02:48:12PM IMPACTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND EMERGENCY ACCESS.
02:48:15PM IF A FIRE TRUCK ON A STREET FILLED WITH CAR, THAT IS NOT
02:48:20PM GOOD.
02:48:21PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS HAPPENING HERE BUT IT IS A
02:48:23PM POTENTIAL.
02:48:23PM THE LOSS OF DESIGNATED SPACE INTERVIEWS WITH COMMUNITY
02:48:28PM STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE AESTHETICS.
02:48:33PM I WILL SHOW YOU TWO OTHER THINGS.
02:48:34PM ONE THIS IS THE CODE AS OF JULY 22.
02:48:42PM WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER ON THE PROPERTY WHICH BASICALLY
02:48:47PM STATES YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY GO STRAIGHT TO THE FRONT OF
02:48:52PM THE HOUSE.
02:48:53PM THE CODE AS OF 424 THAT ALSO STATES THE DRIVEWAY CAN'T GO TO
02:49:08PM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
02:49:09PM IN OTHER WORDS IT WAS NONCOMPLIANT THEN AND NONCOMPLIANT NOW
02:49:18PM WHICH IS I CAN'T WE FOUND IT NONCONSISTENT.
02:49:21PM I AM OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
02:49:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:49:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THE OVERLAY THAT EXISTED
02:49:27PM BEFORE WE APPROVED THE NEW OVERLAY EARLIER THIS YEAR TO, THE
02:49:30PM RULES WERE STILL THE SAME?
02:49:33PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
02:49:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:49:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:49:36PM ANYBODY ELSE?
02:49:37PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:49:38PM VERY GOOD AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
02:49:39PM NOW WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO PRESENT, FOR THIS ITEM, ITEM 73?
02:49:52PM >> HEY, DANTE PITTMAN WITH DESIGN GROUP.
02:49:55PM I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO ASSIST WITH THIS MATTER WITH THE
02:49:59PM CURRENT OWNER.
02:50:00PM WITH REGARD TO THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR DECISION, WE ASK FOR
02:50:04PM THE APPEAL ON THE GROUNDS THAT THE CURRENT OWNER DID
02:50:08PM PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY WITH THE ENCLOSURE ALREADY IN
02:50:12PM EXISTENCE.
02:50:12PM THE CODE COMPLAINT WAS GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AFTER
02:50:17PM THEY HAD OWNED IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
02:50:19PM AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE PRIOR TO ANY COORDINATION WITH
02:50:24PM TRANSPORTATION.
02:50:25PM I HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE COMMUNICATION WITH CITY STAFF.
02:50:31PM AND THEY HAVE APPROVED PRELIMINARY -- I WILL SHOW YOU THIS
02:50:35PM -- IS THE ELMO --
02:50:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
02:50:38PM ZOOM OUT.
02:50:45PM THERE YOU GO.
02:50:46PM >> THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN -- THIS IS THE NEW SITE
02:50:49PM PLAN THAT WE USED TO COORDINATE WITH CITY STAFF.
02:50:51PM TRANSPORTATION.
02:50:52PM WHICH SHOWS THE -- THE DRIVEWAY.
02:50:56PM ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, IT DOES SHOW
02:51:00PM THAT NOW COMPLYING WITH CITY CODE.
02:51:05PM I HAVE HERE E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE FROM CITY STAFF TRAPPING
02:51:12PM THAT STATES THAT THEY ARE -- YOU GUYS SEE THIS?
02:51:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, WE CAN SEE IT.
02:51:21PM >> STATES THAT --
02:51:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 2, 2024.
02:51:25PM >> YES.
02:51:25PM AND THAT -- THIS E-MAIL WAS ACTUALLY SENT TO US AFTER THE
02:51:30PM DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE.
02:51:31PM BUT AFTER COORDINATION, WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND
02:51:35PM APPLY FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
02:51:36PM THE ALTERNATIVE DRIVEWAY DESIGN BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.
02:51:40PM THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DOES HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES, BUT NOW
02:51:45PM THE PROPERTY IS CAUSING A MAJOR HINDRANCE ON THE CURRENT
02:51:48PM OWNER AS NOW THEY ARE VACANT CONDITIONED CAN'T BE RENTED
02:51:59PM OUT.
02:51:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:52:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:52:02PM WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT -- WHEN WAS THE HOUSE
02:52:06PM PURCHASED?
02:52:07PM >> AROUND -- I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CURRENT OWNER.
02:52:11PM CAN I --
02:52:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, BRING HIM UP.
02:52:13PM >> CAN I SPEAK?
02:52:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: URN SWORN IN WHEN WE ASKED EVERYBODY TO
02:52:24PM RAISE THEIR HAND.
02:52:25PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:52:26PM >> MY NAME IS PAWAN AGULAR.
02:52:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN WAS THE HOUSE PURCHASED?
02:52:35PM >> SORRY?
02:52:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DATE WAS THE HOUSE PURCHASED.
02:52:38PM >> THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED AUGUST 2022.
02:52:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AUGUST OF '22?
02:52:44PM >> YES, SIR.
02:52:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN WAS THIS ISSUE GIVEN TO YOU?
02:52:49PM >> AUGUST OF '23.
02:52:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE IS WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
02:52:53PM I KNOW LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND I ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
02:52:57PM HOUSE WAS PURCHASED ON THE 2nd OF AUGUST.
02:53:00PM AND THIS COMES ON THE 23rd OF AUGUST, THAT'S CORRECT?
02:53:04PM >> YES.
02:53:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEVER DISCUSSED THIS WITH ANY ONE OF
02:53:07PM YOU.
02:53:07PM AT THE TIME THIS HOUSE WAS PURCHASED, YOU BOUGHT IT THROUGH
02:53:14PM AN AGENT AND SOMEBODY AND IT WAS CHECKED BY A REAL ESTATE
02:53:18PM LAWYER OR WHATEVER AND WENT THROUGH THE COUNTY, I ASSUME,
02:53:21PM AND THEY FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
02:53:23PM YOUR TITLE COMPANY.
02:53:24PM WHAT YOU PAID FOR, AM I CORRECT?
02:53:27PM >> YES, SIR.
02:53:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM MAKING ASSUMPTION ON MY PART EVEN
02:53:34PM THOUGH MY CITY THAT I LIVE IN, I DO NOT LIKE WHAT IS GOING
02:53:38PM ON.
02:53:38PM AT THE TIME IT WAS PURCHASED I ASSUME THAT IS WHEN THE CITY
02:53:42PM COMPARED THE HOUSE ON A PHOTOGRAPH FROM ZILLOW OR FROM THE
02:53:47PM INDIVIDUAL -- THE JOINING MAN THAT RUNS THE RECORDS IN THE
02:53:51PM COURTHOUSE.
02:53:54PM BUT AT THAT TIME, IT IS WHEN THEY SAW -- I AM MAKING THE
02:53:57PM ASSUMPTION AGAIN ON MY PART, THEY SAW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE
02:54:00PM DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION.
02:54:03PM I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT.
02:54:04PM SO NOW, DID YOU BUILD THE SIDEWALK?
02:54:08PM OR DID YOU BUILD THE -- THE ITEM THAT CAME ALL THE WAY TO
02:54:12PM THE ROAD?
02:54:14PM THE DRIVEWAY?
02:54:16PM >> NO, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
02:54:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE GOING TO SUE THE PEOPLE YOU
02:54:24PM BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM.
02:54:25PM YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, CORRECT?
02:54:28PM >> WE HAD AN INVESTOR BEFORE US THAT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY
02:54:31PM MARCH OF '22.
02:54:32PM AND THE PICTURES SUBMITTED WAS MAY OF '22.
02:54:35PM SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH AS WELL, SIR.
02:54:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS.
02:54:39PM I NEVER TALKED TO THEM.
02:54:41PM THIS IS THE FIRST CASE I HEARD OF THIS IN ALL MY LIFE HERE;
02:54:45PM HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT CALLED ME AND COMPLAINED OF
02:54:47PM THE SAME THING.
02:54:49PM SO IF THE CITY NEVER FILED BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID IT UNTIL
02:54:54PM YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
02:54:55PM WHO IS TO BLAME?
02:55:02PM >> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR THAT, SIR.
02:55:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I WILL HANDLE THIS WITH ANY ATTORNEY
02:55:09PM IN ANY COURT.
02:55:09PM I WILL EVEN REPRESENT YOU.
02:55:11PM THAT IS HOW MUCH I THINK WE ARE HURTING THE PROBLEM.
02:55:14PM YOU CAN NOT CHARGE SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING THEY DID NOT DO.
02:55:18PM EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT REGISTERED IN THE COURT WHEN THEY
02:55:21PM CHECKED IT.
02:55:22PM IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.
02:55:23PM NOT MY FAULT.
02:55:24PM NOT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S FAULT.
02:55:26PM IT IS THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW.
02:55:28PM AND NOW THE EASY ONE IS YOU.
02:55:30PM >> WE ARE JUST TRYING -- HONESTLY JUST FIX THE ISSUE BY ANY
02:55:34PM MEANS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS WHY WE TRY TO COORDINATE WITH
02:55:36PM TRANSPORTATION.
02:55:38PM THEY -- THE ISSUE WAS THAT THE -- THAT THE -- THE CARPORT
02:55:42PM WAS ENCLOSED.
02:55:43PM AND IT CREATED A PARKING ISSUE FOR THE --
02:55:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO CLOSED THE CARPORT?
02:55:50PM >> THE PERSON BEFORE.
02:55:50PM >> SOMEBODY BEFORE US.
02:55:52PM AND WE THINK IT WAS THE -- IT WAS BEFORE US.
02:55:56PM >> NOW WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE GOOD ON THE ISSUE.
02:56:03PM >> A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AFTER WE GOT THE STOP WORK ORDER
02:56:07PM AFTER -- AFTER ONE YEAR WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
02:56:09PM AND THEN WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING -- WE DID NOT RENT, BECAUSE
02:56:14PM WE DID NOT WANT TO CAUSE ANY TROUBLE TO THE TENANT
02:56:18PM OBVIOUSLY.
02:56:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WITH MY OWN CITY, WE HAVE TO SOLVE THESE
02:56:23PM PROBLEMS NOW BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GET HUNDREDS THEM IN
02:56:25PM THE FUTURE.
02:56:26PM CHECKING -- AND I MADE AN ASSUMPTION.
02:56:28PM I NEVER TALKED TO ANYBODY IN THE CITY OTHER THAN THE LEGAL
02:56:31PM DEPARTMENT ON THIS.
02:56:32PM I DON'T KNOW WHO IS CHECKING FOR NOT CHECKING AT TIME OF
02:56:34PM SALE.
02:56:34PM DO THEY CHECK IT ON A DAILY BASIS OR YEARLY BASIS UNLESS
02:56:38PM THERE IS NO SALE IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
02:56:42PM >> SIR, I THINK WE ARE BASING ON GOOGLE MAPS.
02:56:46PM AND I FEEL LIKE WE SAW THE BREAK NOW.
02:56:49PM THERE IS A GAP OF A YEAR AND A HALF AND YEAR.
02:56:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANYBODY IN THE CITY, DO YOU CHECK
02:56:55PM ANYTHING UNLESS THERE IS A SALE?
02:57:06PM THAT'S ALL, I REST MY CASE.
02:57:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN
02:57:11PM CARLSON.
02:57:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.
02:57:13PM COULD YOU SHOW ME THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SLIDE AGAIN?
02:57:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WASN'T UPDATED, I DON'T THINK.
02:57:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN WAS THAT PROPERTY APPRAISER --
02:57:25PM >> I DID THAT LIKE A WEEK AGO.
02:57:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: A WEEK OKAY.
02:57:29PM WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WHEN THIS PERSON BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, WHEN
02:57:31PM THEY PULLED ALL THE RECORDS, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER RECORD
02:57:35PM SHOULD HAVE CLEARLY SHOWN THAT WAS AN OPEN CARPORT, AM I
02:57:38PM CORRECT?
02:57:39PM >> AS IT STILL DOES.
02:57:41PM >> YES.
02:57:42PM >> SO THE APPLICANT AND WHILE I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, AT
02:57:46PM THE SAME TIME, CLEARLY IT SHOWED IN THE PAPERWORK THAT THIS
02:57:50PM WAS AN UNPERMITTED WORK.
02:57:54PM >> IT WOULD LEND TO REASON THAT ANYBODY DOING DUE DILIGENCE
02:58:02PM AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE WILL SEE THAT AND THE DISCREPANCY.
02:58:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
02:58:09PM THANK YOU.
02:58:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN.
02:58:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: DANTE, CAN YOU COME BACK UP?
02:58:19PM I KNOW YOU AS A HOMEBUILDER AND DEVELOPER BECAUSE YOU HAVE
02:58:21PM COME BEFORE US BEFORE.
02:58:23PM BUT ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS THEN, YOU ARE HIRED TO TRY TO
02:58:28PM RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.
02:58:29PM YOU FEEL LIKE -- I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
02:58:33PM YOU FEEL THAT THE SOLUTION YOU HAVE COME WITH MEETS THE CODE
02:58:35PM AND CRITERIA GOING FORWARD.
02:58:37PM >> I WAS HIRED TO ASSIST WITH THE OFFICIAL ISSUE WITH THE
02:58:40PM CODE VIOLATION FOR UNPERMITTED WORK.
02:58:43PM I WAS CALLED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE WHATEVER
02:58:47PM MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PROPERTY, MAKE THEM CODE COMPLIANT,
02:58:51PM MAKE THEM OFFICIAL.
02:58:52PM CALL INSPECTIONS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IN DOING THAT IN THE
02:58:59PM PROCESS, SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR
02:59:02PM PERMITS AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE PRESENTED ITSELF.
02:59:06PM THE CARPORT ISSUE PRESENTED ITSELF.
02:59:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU OR MAYBE THE OWNER WOULD DO THIS
02:59:12PM CONSIDERING MY COLLEAGUE'S QUESTIONS.
02:59:14PM I GUESS ONE ALTERNATIVE TO CONVERT IT BACK TO A CARPORT.
02:59:18PM COULD YOU -- MAYBE ONE OR TWO BOTH OF YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU
02:59:23PM DIDN'T CHOOSE THAT CHOICE AND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE INVOLVED?
02:59:26PM >> SO -- I TAKE IT BACK TO THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THIS IS
02:59:31PM CAUSING NOW.
02:59:31PM SO IN ORDER TO BUILD AN EXTENSION COUNTY DRIVEWAY, WE ARE
02:59:36PM TALKING COUPLE THOUSAND -- COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS.
02:59:40PM IN ORDER TO REMOVE THAT ENCLOSURE AND ALL THE FINISHING THAT
02:59:44PM IS INSIDE, IT WILL COST MORE TO ACTUALLY CONVERT IT TO A
02:59:49PM CARPORT THAN TO JUST BUILD -- TO CONSTRUCT MINI EXTENSION OF
02:59:56PM THE DRIVEWAY THAT MEETS THE CITY'S TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR
02:59:59PM TRANSPORTATION.
02:59:59PM AND IT WILL TAKE LESS TIME TO DO THAT AS WELL.
03:00:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:00:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE SCOPE OF YOUR PROJECT AND WHY YOU WERE
03:00:09PM HERE WAS TO BRING THIS -- OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A CONSTRUCTION
03:00:14PM PROJECT FOR THE CONVERSION OF THIS CARPORT.
03:00:16PM YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE.
03:00:19PM >> YES.
03:00:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: BY HOOK OR BY CROOK.
03:00:23PM >> YES.
03:00:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO -- BUT EVEN BY DOING THAT, YOU STILL
03:00:27PM CREATE A NONCOMPLIANT ISSUE BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY.
03:00:31PM SOUNDS AS THOUGH IT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION.
03:00:34PM YOU CREATE -- YOU TRY TO SOLVES ONE PROBLEM AND CREATE
03:00:40PM ANOTHER.
03:00:40PM THERE IS NO COMPLIANCE WHILE UTILIZING THIS ENCLOSED AREA AS
03:00:48PM WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A CARPORT.
03:00:50PM UNLESS YOU USE IT AS A CARPORT, NO FITTING THE DESCRIPTION
03:00:56PM DESCRIBED BY CODE.
03:00:56PM >> IT WAS LOSE-LOSE IN THE BE BEGINNING BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
03:01:02PM TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS.
03:01:02PM DIDN'T MEET TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS AND THE EAST TAMPA
03:01:06PM OVERLAY STANDARDS.
03:01:08PM NOW WIN-LOSE BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION IS ALREADY APPROVED.
03:01:11PM >> UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER E-MAIL.
03:01:13PM ALL I SAW THAT ON THAT AND READ IT CORRECTLY.
03:01:15PM THEY MAY CONSIDER.
03:01:16PM DID THEY ACTUALLY APPROVE IT?
03:01:18PM THE E-MAIL YOU SHOWED SAID "IT MAY CONSIDER".
03:01:24PM >> SORRY.
03:01:24PM THIS IS THE CODE THAT THEY PROVIDED FOR THE ALTERNATIVE
03:01:27PM DESIGN EXCEPTION.
03:01:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD GRANT THAT.
03:01:31PM I DIDN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY DID GRANT THAT.
03:01:34PM >> THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IF THIS IS ADVICE,
03:01:37PM BECAUSE WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
03:01:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL SHOWING THAT IT WAS
03:01:44PM APPROVED -- THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WILL BE APPROVED.
03:01:47PM >> CAN'T TECHNICALLY BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT GOT REJECTED
03:01:50PM FIRST.
03:01:51PM WE HAVE TO FILE FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION.
03:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAS THAT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTING --
03:01:58PM >> NO, THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WAS AFTER THE DECISION WAS
03:02:00PM MADE AND THE CONVERSATION THAT CITY STAFF PROVIDED FOR --
03:02:09PM THE DENIAL FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WITH TRANSPORTATION.
03:02:12PM EXAMPLE THEY PROVIDED IN THE DOCUMENTATION CAME WAY BEFORE
03:02:17PM WE TALKED TO TRANSPORTATION ABOUT IT.
03:02:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS --
03:02:21PM >> SORRY, A NOTE FROM TRANSPORTATION TELLING US WHAT TO
03:02:24PM ACTUALLY DO.
03:02:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS A SUGGESTION.
03:02:26PM MY WHOLE THING ON THIS WAS -- GOES BACK TO THE OLD ADAGE,
03:02:33PM BUYER BEWARE.
03:02:34PM DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
03:02:38PM THIS IS NO-WIN SITUATION.
03:02:40PM IT MAKES US LOOK BAD.
03:02:41PM BUT IT IS A BUYER BEWARE THING.
03:02:43PM BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING, MAKE SURE IT IS IN ACCORDANCE --
03:02:47PM THAT IT CONFORMS.
03:02:48PM DUE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
03:02:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
03:02:57PM >> YES.
03:02:57PM I WOULD HONESTLY ADD, EAST TAMPA OVERLAY 27-240, AND NO DRIVEWAY
03:03:03PM WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FROM THE ROAD TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE
03:03:05PM PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
03:03:07PM YOU LOOK AT 3006 EMMA THAT TERMINATE.
03:03:12PM AND EAST EMMA THAT TERMINATES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
03:03:17PM THIS EXCEPTION WE ARE ASKING FOR -- NOT A BURDEN ON ANYBODY.
03:03:20PM WE ARE TRYING TO JUST MAKE RIGHT ON THE ISSUE.
03:03:23PM WE ACQUIRED THIS PROBLEM -- NOT WE, BUT THE OWNER ACQUIRED
03:03:26PM THIS PROBLEM.
03:03:28PM AND THE PROBLEM FOR THE GUY TRYING TO HELP.
03:03:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:03:33PM YES?
03:03:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THIS.
03:03:37PM THERE IS ANOTHER WAY OF SOLVING THIS PROBLEM -- NOT TODAY
03:03:42PM MAYBE, BUT IN THE FUTURE.
03:03:43PM THAT THE OWNER HAS A SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT AT TIME OF SALE --
03:03:46PM THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS THAT HE OR SHE CAN NEVER CHANGE
03:03:50PM ANY PART OF THAT HOUSE AT THE TIME OF SALE.
03:03:53PM BUT THAT CAN'T BE DONE IN THIS CASE.
03:03:55PM I LOVE LAWS, BUT THIS IS AN UNJUST LAW.
03:04:04PM YOU WANT TO BE THE BUYER BEWARE.
03:04:06PM THE CITY DID NOT DO ANYTHING UNLESS THERE WAS A SALE.
03:04:09PM AM I CORRECT?
03:04:13PM DID THE CITY EVER CHECK THIS OUT PRIOR TO THIS?
03:04:16PM >> WE WOULD NOT BE TRIGGERED UNLESS A CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:04:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CODE ENFORCEMENT EVER CHECK THIS HOUSE
03:04:24PM FOR ANYTHING PRIOR TO THIS?
03:04:26PM >> NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF.
03:04:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NEITHER AM I, I AM NOT AWARE OF IT
03:04:31PM EITHER.
03:04:31PM IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF IT, IT IS NOT IN A COURT RECORD
03:04:34PM THAT THEY FOUND ANYTHING DONE.
03:04:36PM SO WE ARE HANGING INNOCENT PEOPLE.
03:04:41PM >> SIR, IF I MAY.
03:04:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT THE TIME THEY BUILT A HOUSE, THEY
03:04:45PM THEMSELVES DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS DONE.
03:04:47PM I AM MAKING AN ASSUMPTION.
03:04:49PM I AM NOT ASKING OR YELLING AT YOU, I AM GETTING EXCITED A
03:04:52PM LITTLE BIT.
03:04:52PM >> THE APPLICANT CITED A FEW ADDITIONAL ADDRESSES WHERE THIS
03:04:56PM IS ALREADY IN OCCURRENCE.
03:04:58PM YES, IT IS A BIG PROBLEM.
03:04:59PM PEOPLE DO A LOT OF WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT.
03:05:01PM IT BOGS DOWN THE SYSTEM.
03:05:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THESE PEOPLE DID WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT?
03:05:07PM >> OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT.
03:05:08PM I WILL TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT.
03:05:10PM WE EQUATE IT OFTENTIMES YOU BUY A USED CAR AND THE WINDOWS
03:05:15PM ARE TOO DARK --
03:05:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TALKING DIFFERENT APPLES.
03:05:19PM >> FAIR ENOUGH.
03:05:23PM A USED CAR AND WINDOWS THAT ARE TOO DARK.
03:05:25PM THE POLICE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY WELL, YOU BOUGHT IT THAT
03:05:28PM WAY, THEY WILL MAKE YOU GO FIX THEM.
03:05:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU ON A COURT.
03:05:32PM YOU AND I ONE ON ONE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
03:05:35PM >> FAIR ENOUGH.
03:05:36PM I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE APPLICANT REGARDING
03:05:39PM THEIR TRANSPORTATION.
03:05:45PM THIS WILL BE DIFFICULT TO READ.
03:05:46PM TRANSPORTATION LOOKED AT THIS AS PART OF THE DESIGN
03:05:49PM EXCEPTION AND THEY MADE THE SAME COMMENT THAT THIS IS A USE
03:05:52PM OVER EAST TAMPA OVERLAY AND THEY DO NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE
03:05:56PM EAST TAMPA OVERLAY STANDARDS.
03:05:58PM THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE AND HAVE CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE
03:06:02PM APPLICANT LATER SAYING THAT TRANSPORTATION COULD LOOK AT A
03:06:06PM DESIGN EXCEPTION BUT DID NOT SAY THEY WOULD GRANT IT.
03:06:10PM BUT I ALSO WOULD POINT OUT THIS IS A TRANSPORTATION DESIGN
03:06:13PM EXCEPTION PER CHAPTER 22 NOT PER 27.
03:06:18PM A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO MEET THE
03:06:22PM EAST TAMPA OVERLAY STANDARDS.
03:06:24PM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION THEY WERE REFERRING TO HAS A WHOLE
03:06:28PM PLETHORA OF CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET, AS WELL AS EAST
03:06:33PM TAMPA DESIGN STANDARDS AND USUALLY THAT WILL BE MORE AKIN TO
03:06:37PM SOMETHING LIKE A DRIVEWAY THAT IS TOO WIDE OR SOMEONE DOING
03:06:41PM A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY WHERE THE PROPERTY IS NOT BIG ENOUGH.
03:06:45PM THIS WILL BE APPROPRIATE NOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION, NOT IN THIS
03:06:48PM CASE.
03:06:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WILL YOU PUT THE E-MAIL BACK UP.
03:06:52PM YOUR COPY OF IT.
03:06:53PM >> SURE.
03:06:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OTHER PAGE, THE E-MAIL, THE PIECE.
03:07:00PM BECAUSE I CAN READ THIS ONE.
03:07:03PM >> WHEN THEY HOOKED AT THIS, THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT IT
03:07:06PM NECESSARILY FROM THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY.
03:07:09PM SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THIS WAS AFTER IT HAD BEEN
03:07:13PM DISAPPROVED FROM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION SO THE TRANSPORTATION
03:07:19PM DEPARTMENT AND MOBILITY WHEN THEY WROTE THIS E-MAIL WAS
03:07:23PM LOOKING AT IT STRICTLY FROM CHAPTER 22.
03:07:26PM NOT FROM CHAPTER 27.
03:07:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PERFECT, THANK YOU.
03:07:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:07:33PM WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:07:35PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COME ON
03:07:38PM UP.
03:07:39PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
03:07:40PM NO ONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:07:42PM NOBODY REGISTERED.
03:07:44PM ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF?
03:07:47PM I GUESS YOU DON'T NEED REBUTTAL.
03:07:49PM SO ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD?
03:07:52PM YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL, SIR.
03:07:56PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
03:08:01PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:08:02PM I AM THE OWNER.
03:08:03PM AND MY NAME IS CARROLL VAN BELKENBERG.
03:08:08PM WHEN I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE
03:08:13PM HAVE BEEN A MODIFICATION TO IT MADE THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED.
03:08:18PM I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RENT THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE STOP
03:08:25PM ORDER BUT I AM PAYING THE WATER, THE ELECTRICITY, THE TAXES,
03:08:30PM THE INSURANCE ON THE HOME.
03:08:33PM IT'S BECOME A VERY LARGE FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR ME.
03:08:37PM AND WE GOT THE STOP WORK ORDER LAST SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE.
03:08:43PM AND HERE WE ARE IN JUNE FINALLY DISCUSSING THIS.
03:08:50PM I HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND I HAVE
03:08:54PM BEEN CARRYING IT FINANCIALLY THIS WHOLE TIME.
03:08:58PM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COURT TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION
03:09:03PM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
03:09:03PM CERTAINLY OPENING UP THE HOUSE AND TURNING IT -- THAT SPACE
03:09:09PM BACK INTO A CARPORT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERABLE
03:09:15PM FINANCIAL BURDEN.
03:09:16PM WE HAVE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DRIVEWAY ALTERNATIVES
03:09:23PM WITH A HALF CIRCULAR DRIVE AND I BELIEVE WE WERE TURNED DOWN
03:09:28PM BECAUSE OF PERCOLATION ISSUES.
03:09:29PM THIS ADDITIONAL CONCRETE PAD, I BELIEVE, WAS ACCEPTED AND
03:09:36PM THEN TURNED DOWN DUE TO OLD CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
03:09:43PM I DO FEEL LIKE THE VICTIM HERE.
03:09:46PM AND I JUST NEED TO GET OUT FROM UNDER THIS FINANCIALLY.
03:09:50PM AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE COURT'S ASSISTANCE WITH
03:09:54PM THIS.
03:09:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:09:58PM A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:10:00PM YES, SIR?
03:10:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO GO A STEP FURTHER, IF I
03:10:05PM MAY.
03:10:06PM YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN AUGUST OF ' 2?
03:10:09PM >> YES -- YES.
03:10:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID CODE ENFORCEMENT -- WHEN YOU BOUGHT
03:10:14PM THE HOUSE, DID YOU HAVE A TITLE SEARCH DONE ON THE TITLE?
03:10:18PM >> YES.
03:10:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY FOUND NOTHING?
03:10:21PM >> NO, THEY DID NOT.
03:10:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:10:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN
03:10:28PM HURTAK.
03:10:28PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:10:30PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:10:31PM THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
03:10:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION.
03:10:34PM YOU KNOW, I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THE APPLICANT, AND
03:10:38PM UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN NOT CONSIDER MONEY.
03:10:40PM MONEY CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER WHEN WE LOOK
03:10:42PM AT A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
03:10:43PM AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AS AN INVESTOR, DUE DILIGENCE IS
03:10:50PM REALLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, ESPECIALLY AS AN INVESTOR, TO
03:10:53PM KNOW, TO HAVE LOOKED AT PROPERTY APPRAISER RECORDS, TO HAVE
03:10:57PM REALLY -- I MEAN WHEN YOU BUY A PROPERTY, THERE IS ALL KIND
03:11:02PM OF DUE DILIGENCE THAT AN OWNER --
03:11:06PM >> BUT.
03:11:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: EXCUSE ME, THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
03:11:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
03:11:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE ZONING
03:11:14PM ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF DE 1-24-39-C, PROPERTY 3206 EAST
03:11:23PM EMMA STREET FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
03:11:27PM EVIDENCE TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT IN 27-240
03:11:34PM SUBSECTIONSE-1-H.2 BASED ON THE CRITERIA CITY OF TAMPA CODE
03:11:40PM SECTION 27-60 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, MAINLY BECAUSE WE
03:11:43PM HAVE A BRAND-NEW NOT EVEN SIX-MONTH-OLD DESIGN STANDARD THAT
03:11:49PM -- EAST TAMPA OVERLAY THAT WE JUST APPROVED THAT DOUBLES
03:11:53PM DOWN THAT NO DRIVEWAY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND IT IS -- THE
03:11:58PM APPLICANT DID NOT DO DUE DILIGENCE PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY
03:12:02PM TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS -- THAT THE ISSUE WAS NOT THAT
03:12:11PM THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.
03:12:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
03:12:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:12:14PM DISCUSSION?
03:12:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DISCUSSION.
03:12:18PM AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY, I AM EMPATHETIC WITH YOUR CAUSE, BUT
03:12:22PM YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF BEING IT INTO COMPLIANCE BY
03:12:27PM RECONVERTING THE CARPORT BACK INTO A CARPORT SO THE DRIVEWAY
03:12:32PM WILL BE COMPLIANT.
03:12:32PM I THINK THAT IS THE -- REALLY THE REASONABLE OUTCOME OF
03:12:36PM THIS.
03:12:36PM AGAIN, AGAIN PIER WE WARE, MA'AM.
03:12:41PM DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND I PURCHASED PROPERTIES IN THE
03:12:46PM PAST.
03:12:46PM I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONABLE THINGS AS YOU LOOK AT
03:12:49PM PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:12:50PM WHILE I AM EMPATHETIC, YOU HAVE -- I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE
03:12:55PM DIFFERENTLY IF I FELT LIKE IT WAS SO BOX IN IT WAS
03:12:59PM IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE.
03:13:00PM THIS ONE HAS A RESOLUTION AND THAT IS BEING IN COMPLIANT BY
03:13:03PM CONVERTING THE CARPORT BACK.
03:13:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:13:06PM SIR?
03:13:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY GOING BACK TO THE CAR
03:13:10PM COMPARISON WHICH I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH.
03:13:11PM IF YOU BOUGHT A CAR, TAKE IT TO THE MECHANIC.
03:13:14PM THEY CHECK IT OUT.
03:13:16PM IT IS FINE.
03:13:16PM YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
03:13:18PM IF THE CAR WAS BAD, YOU STILL DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
03:13:23PM YOU NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE YOU
03:13:26PM NEVER KNEW.
03:13:26PM YOU PAID SOMEBODY TO DO A TITLE SEARCH.
03:13:29PM IT WAS DONE.
03:13:30PM I KNOW THERE WAS AN OVERLAY THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO --
03:13:33PM BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NEVER CHECKED ANY ONE OF THEM, TO MY
03:13:36PM KNOWLEDGE SO NOW YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS PAYING THE PRICE.
03:13:40PM NOT ONLY LOSE THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE BUT TAKING THE CARPORT
03:13:45PM OUT THAT YOU DIDN'T BUILD.
03:13:46PM AND YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN.
03:13:48PM GOD BLESS AMERICA.
03:13:50PM THANK YOU.
03:13:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:13:53PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
03:13:56PM ANY OPPOSED.
03:13:58PM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL FOR CLARITY.
03:14:03PM MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:14:04PM GO AHEAD.
03:14:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
03:14:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
03:14:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
03:14:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
03:14:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
03:14:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: NAY.
03:14:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
03:14:18PM >>CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, CARLSON, HENDERSON,
03:14:22PM VIERA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
03:14:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL THEN.
03:14:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:14:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DO WE DO?
03:14:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOLLOW THE RULES.
03:14:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY WE ARE SAYING THAT YOU CAN GO AHEAD
03:14:34PM AND BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT AND THEN SELL IT.
03:14:36PM AND OH, WELL -- SO EAST TAMPA SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON
03:14:42PM THEIR NEW OVERLAY AND BASICALLY WE ARE TELLING THEM TOUGH
03:14:45PM LUCK.
03:14:46PM I -- I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, I TRULY DO.
03:14:49PM BUT IF YOU DIDN'T CHECK THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB SITE
03:14:54PM BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING.
03:14:55PM I CHECK THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEB SITE BEFORE I EVEN BID ON
03:14:59PM SOMETHING.
03:15:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT IT IS NOT THERE.
03:15:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS THERE.
03:15:03PM HE SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT IN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IT STILL
03:15:06PM SHOW IT IS AS A CARPORT.
03:15:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY PAID FOR A TITLE SEARCH.
03:15:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TITLE DOESN'T MATTER.
03:15:15PM TITLE IS A TITLE.
03:15:16PM NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
03:15:18PM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TELLS YOU IS ACTUALLY -- TELLS WHAT
03:15:23PM IS PERMITTED AND WHAT IS BEING DONE.
03:15:25PM IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO APPROVE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT
03:15:27PM COMES IN FRONT OF US LIKE THIS, LIKE, OH, WELL, I AM SO
03:15:31PM SORRY.
03:15:31PM AN EASY FIX.
03:15:32PM TAKE TWO WALLS DOWN.
03:15:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE THE CITY -- I BELIEVE THIS CITY
03:15:37PM SHOULD CHECK ZILLOW ON A DAILY BASIS FOR EVERY HOUSE IN THE
03:15:41PM CITY.
03:15:41PM IT IS AWFUL, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE DIDN'T CATCH IT.
03:15:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S FAULT, NOT OURS.
03:15:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, WE HAVE A WAY OF DOING -- WE WORK
03:15:52PM WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
03:15:54PM THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT WHERE THEY CAN SATELLITE EVERYTHING
03:15:56PM YOU DO.
03:15:56PM EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO.
03:15:58PM WHY DON'T THEY FIX IT THEN?
03:16:00PM WHY DON'T WE DO IT THEN?
03:16:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
03:16:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, MR. MIRANDA, I WOULD SUGGEST
03:16:07PM OUTSIDE THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN TAKE THAT DISCUSSION UP.
03:16:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE IT PART OF THE RECORD.
03:16:13PM I DON'T DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
03:16:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
03:16:17PM COUNCIL, IF I CAN.
03:16:18PM JUST SO YOU KNOW -- AND THIS CAME UP ALSO RECENTLY TO BRING
03:16:21PM IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS PART OF TAKING A LOOK AT THE WHOLE
03:16:26PM PICTURE.
03:16:26PM BASICALLY THE ONLY THING IS A PETITION OF A VERY VIEW OF A
03:16:29PM ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION.
03:16:31PM BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL
03:16:34PM DOES IN ORDER TO BE PERMITTED HAVE TO MEET LIFE SAFETY
03:16:38PM STANDARDS.
03:16:39PM IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THAT COUNCIL DOES MAY NOT ULTIMATELY
03:16:43PM AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS IN PERMITTING FOR THAT TO BE GIVEN A
03:16:46PM PERMIT UNDER THE CITY CODE.
03:16:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT HARD TO SOLVE.
03:16:51PM IF QUESTION CHANGE THE LAW.
03:16:52PM TIME OF SALE, THAT THE OWNER DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE
03:16:57PM AND AT THE TIME OF SALE, IT IS RECORDED RIGHT THERE.
03:16:59PM WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TODAY, BUT WE WON'T DO IT.
03:17:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE LEGISLATURE.
03:17:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:17:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
03:17:10PM SOMETIMES THINGS JUST YOU KNOW DON'T WORK OUT IN THIS
03:17:16PM INSTANCE.
03:17:17PM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPOKEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE
03:17:20PM PROBLEM GOES AWAY.
03:17:21PM AND THE CITY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MAKES MISTAKES ALL OF THE
03:17:26PM TIME.
03:17:28PM THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE CORRECT
03:17:33PM INFORMATION WITHIN THE SYSTEM ON THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
03:17:36PM PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SITE THAT EXIST AND PEOPLE LIVE IN
03:17:39PM THOSE HOMES ALL THE TIME.
03:17:40PM THIS IS NOT NEW, BUT YOUR CASE AS THE OWNER WHEN YOU BOUGHT
03:17:46PM IT, I THINK THAT DID DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WHY I VOTED
03:17:53PM THE WAY I VOTED.
03:17:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:17:55PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:17:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
03:17:58PM I WILL MAKE -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE ZONING
03:18:06PM ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL.
03:18:08PM I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF DE 1-24-93
03:18:14PM FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3206 EAST EMMA STREET BECAUSE THE
03:18:18PM PETITIONER PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO
03:18:21PM WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT IN CITY OF TAMPA CODE 27-240-E-1-HH.2
03:18:29PM BASED ON THE CRITERIA IN CITY CODE.
03:18:31PM MY COLLEAGUES MAY ADD, BASED ON THE VERBAL TESTIMONY, THIS
03:18:40PM -- THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE.
03:18:44PM THIS AN OLDER HOUSE.
03:18:46PM THE -- ALTHOUGH THE OVERLAY AND THE RULES WILL APPLY TO A
03:18:53PM NEW HOUSE -- COULD APPLY TO AN OLDER HOUSE, IN PARTICULAR
03:18:57PM THEY WILL APPLY TO NEW HOUSES AS THE AREA CHANGES.
03:19:00PM IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE
03:19:03PM COMMUNITY TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
03:19:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON WITH A MOTION.
03:19:09PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:19:11PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE --
03:19:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:19:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY, WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EVEN IF THIS
03:19:18PM IS APPROVED, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PROGRAMMING WHERE THIS IS
03:19:21PM NOT --
03:19:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN
03:19:24PM PERMITTING.
03:19:25PM I JUST KNOW --
03:19:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED -- SHELBY BROUGHT TO
03:19:30PM MY ATTENTION IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES, THERE
03:19:34PM IS STILL A PROCESS BEYOND THIS.
03:19:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:19:37PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:19:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
03:19:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
03:19:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:19:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:19:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:19:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
03:19:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:19:48PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
03:19:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:19:54PM LET'S DO SOME ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
03:19:58PM WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 75.
03:20:00PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY
03:20:15PM ATTORNEY.
03:20:15PM ITEM 75 IS THE ITEM WE DISCUSSED, I BELIEVE, TWO WEEKS AGO
03:20:22PM TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE CHARTER TO CHANGE THE RESIDENCY
03:20:28PM REQUIREMENTS TO SAY THAT RATHER THAN APPLYING TO THE
03:20:38PM OFFICERS LISTED IN THE CHARTER AS WELL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS,
03:20:42PM THIS WILL CHANGE IT TO NOW APPLY ONLY TO ELECTED OFFICERS.
03:20:46PM THE ONLY OFFICERS THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY TO
03:20:50PM IF THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT PASSES WOULD BE ELECTED OFFICERS.
03:20:55PM THAT IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR SO THIS ORDINANCE IS SIMPLY THE
03:21:03PM ORDINANCE THAT WILL PUT THE NEW LANGUAGE ON THE BALLOT IN
03:21:06PM NOVEMBER.
03:21:06PM TODAY IS YOUR FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND ASSUMING
03:21:13PM YOU APPROVE IT AND GO FORWARD, THERE WILL BE A SECOND
03:21:17PM READING AND LANGUAGE WILL GO ON THE NOVEMBER 5 BALLOT FOR
03:21:20PM THE VOTERS TO DECIDE.
03:21:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:21:28PM I.
03:21:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO REITERATE -- CANNOT TELL YOU HOW
03:21:35PM DISAPPOINTED I AM.
03:21:36PM TWO YEARS AGO TRYING TO GET SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN THE
03:21:40PM CHARTER TO FIX ERRORS IN INTERPRETATION.
03:21:42PM THE -- THE -- THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF PUT EVERY BLOCK IN
03:21:47PM OUR WAY OVER A SERIES OF MONTHS.
03:21:51PM PART OF IT THAT MARTY WAS OUT OVER PART OF IT.
03:21:54PM BUT IN THE END, I GOT BLAMED BECAUSE I DUMPED A BUNCH OF
03:21:58PM PROPOSALS AT THE LAST MINUTE.
03:21:59PM REALITY WAS, IT WAS A WHOLE SERIES OF MONTHS WHERE WE COULD
03:22:03PM HAVE DISCUSSED THINGS, BUT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE
03:22:05PM ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WANT ANY CHARTER CHANGES.
03:22:07PM AND THEY SAID WE SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE CHARTER AND RAN ADS
03:22:12PM SAYING WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THE CHARTER.
03:22:15PM THIS ONE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS, WITHIN A WEEK WE
03:22:18PM HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
03:22:18PM A WHOLE BUNCH EVER THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD TWEAK IN THE
03:22:24PM CHARTER FOR THE MISINTERPRETATIONS IN THE PAST AND ASKED THE
03:22:29PM CHAMBER AND OTHERS TO COME THROUGH.
03:22:30PM WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT PREVIOUS CITY
03:22:35PM ATTORNEYS HAD MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER AND THE PUSH BACK
03:22:40PM TO TAKE POWERS AWAY FROM THE MAYOR WHICH WE ARE NOT.
03:22:43PM WE WERE TRYING TO PROTECT THE POWERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
03:22:46PM SEVERAL OF US INCLUDING MISS ZELMAN WAS ON THE CHARTER
03:22:49PM REVIEW COMMISSION.
03:22:49PM WE DISCUSSED THESE ISSUES.
03:22:51PM THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE I FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP THIS IN THE
03:22:54PM CHARTER -- IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT THE VOTERS
03:22:57PM HAVE VOTED ON THREE TIMES.
03:22:58PM I AM SURE I WILL BE IN THE MINORITY AND MAYBE 6-1 TODAY.
03:23:02PM TYPICALLY I WILL VOTE FOR SOMETHING EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH
03:23:05PM IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE AND
03:23:09PM WEIGH ON THEIR OPINION.
03:23:12PM I HOPE LAST TIME THE MAYOR RAN ADDS OF OUR FOUR CHARTER
03:23:19PM AMOUNTS.
03:23:20PM AND I THINK THAT THE VOTERS ARE SMART ENOUGH.
03:23:28PM IN CASE I DIDN'T WANT VOTERS HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT -- I
03:23:35PM DON'T WANT THE VOTERS TO KNOW I AM IN FAVOR OF IT.
03:23:37PM I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT I AM AGAINST IT.
03:23:39PM THE ADDS THAT RAN OF THE LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT CITY
03:23:45PM COUNCIL HAS A DEVIOUS PLOT.
03:23:46PM NONE OF THAT IS NECESSARY.
03:23:48PM I WILL NOT RUN A CAMPAIGN TO THIS.
03:23:49PM I WOULD LET THE VOTERS READ AND DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO,
03:23:54PM I HOPE GOING FORWARD, OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATIONS OF THE
03:23:58PM CHARTER AND DO IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO KEEP THE DIVISION
03:24:02PM OF POWER.
03:24:03PM AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS BASED ON THAT.
03:24:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN.
03:24:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:24:09PM I APPRECIATE YOU BEING ABLE TO GET THIS TO US SO QUICKLY.
03:24:13PM THING GOES A LITTLE TOO FAR.
03:24:14PM I DO BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CHART SUFFICES.
03:24:20PM I AM VOTING AGAINST THIS.
03:24:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS.
03:24:22PM I AM ALL FOR IT GO GOING TO THE VOTERS.
03:24:24PM LET ME TELL YOU WHY I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
03:24:27PM DO WE REALLY THINK SOMEBODY RENTING AN APARTMENT, THEY ARE
03:24:32PM LIVING THERE?
03:24:34PM 100% OF THE TIME.
03:24:37PM DO YOU THINK THEY MOVE THEIR FAMILY THERE OR JUST THEM?
03:24:41PM ONE INDIVIDUAL, MAYBE A FAMILY LIVES IN MANATEE COUNTY,
03:24:44PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IN FACT.
03:24:45PM YOU CAN'T EVEN -- IF YOU LIVE IN HEALTH CARE AND GET A JOB
03:24:49PM IN THE CITY AS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
03:24:52PM YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WE ARE IN
03:24:56PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
03:24:56PM I AM NOT ARGUING THE FACTS, BUT DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT
03:25:00PM THAT PERSON LIVES IN COMPANY?
03:25:02PM WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS.
03:25:03PM THE FACTS ARE -- MAYBE I AM NOT TOO -- NOT 100% CORRECT.
03:25:09PM BUT I BELIEVE I AM HALFWAY CORRECT.
03:25:12PM HOW CAN YOU SAY CAN'T LIVE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND WORK
03:25:15PM IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE.
03:25:17PM IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU GOT TO BUY A
03:25:20PM HOUSE IN TAMPA OR RENT IN TAMPA.
03:25:22PM WHAT?
03:25:25PM SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE.
03:25:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:25:31PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:25:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO -- JUST
03:25:38PM KEEP DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS.
03:25:40PM WAIVER AFTER WAIVER AFTER WAIVER, TRYING TO FILL THESE
03:25:45PM POSITIONS WITH THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST OF PEOPLE.
03:25:47PM BUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE -- IT IS JUST --
03:25:52PM NOT CONCISE -- NOT LIKE A JACKSON WHICH IS THE ENTIRE
03:25:55PM COUNTY.
03:25:55PM OUR CITY IS LINEAR AND KIND OF ODD.
03:25:59PM DO WE THINK THAT SOMEBODY THAT LIVES ADJACENT TO RAYMOND
03:26:04PM JAMES STADIUM TO THE NORTHWEST IS SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE OF THE
03:26:07PM CITY AND DOESN'T SHARE THE SAME EXPERIENCES THAT SOMEBODY
03:26:11PM THAT LIVES IN THE OTHER AREA OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND JUST
03:26:14PM BECAUSE OF HAPPENSTANCE IN A FORMER MAYOR THAT ANNEXED NEW
03:26:20PM TAMPA.
03:26:20PM IS THEIR EXPERIENCE THE SAME AS PEOPLE LIVING IN EAST TAMPA
03:26:23PM OR SOUTH TAMPA?
03:26:24PM WE LIVE IN A METROPOLITAN AREA.
03:26:26PM WE ALL SHARE THE SAME EXPERIENCES.
03:26:28PM I JUST FIND THAT AS AN EMPLOYER, THE BEST THING TO DO FOR A
03:26:34PM TAXPAYER AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY IS TO OPEN UP THE TO
03:26:39PM BE ABLE TO HIRE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST FOR VERY KEY
03:26:42PM POSITIONS.
03:26:42PM RIGHT NOW IT IS VERY KEY -- OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE
03:26:47PM DEPARTMENT.
03:26:47PM I COULD GO ON.
03:26:49PM WAIVERS THAT WE GRANT.
03:26:50PM IS ANYBODY WILLING TO SAY WHY ARE WE GRANTING WAIVERS.
03:26:53PM EITHER YOU IN OR YOU ARE OUT.
03:26:56PM LET'S ABOLISH THE WAIVERS.
03:26:58PM EITHER IN OR OUT.
03:26:59PM IT JUST SEEMS SILLY TO ME TO CREATE.
03:27:02PM WE HAVE A CONTROL -- AN ARBITRARY RULE.
03:27:05PM LET THE VOTER DECIDE TO FIX THE CHARTER.
03:27:07PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:27:08PM I WASN'T ON COUNCIL WHEN YOU DID THIS LAST TIME, BUT IF YOU
03:27:12PM HAVE -- IF YOU HAVE PROPOSALS FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT
03:27:15PM MAKE SENSE AND ARE THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO
03:27:18PM LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, I WILL BE WILLING TO HEAR THEM
03:27:21PM OUT AND SUPPORT ADDING THOSE TO BALLOTS.
03:27:23PM I THINK SOME -- SOME COUNTY INITIATIVES I HEARD IN THE PAST
03:27:27PM THAT WEREN'T ON COUNCIL I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
03:27:29PM AND SO IT IS A NEW DAY AND A NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE.
03:27:33PM IF YOU HAVE GOOD IDEAS -- ALL GOOD IDEAS SHOULD COMFORT AND
03:27:36PM WE SHOULDN'T SHOOT THEM DOWN BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASONS WE
03:27:41PM HAVE THAT ARE NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE TO LIVE IN
03:27:44PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:27:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:27:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
03:27:49PM INTERESTING ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU WANT YOUR
03:27:53PM KID TO HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AT A COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP,
03:27:57PM PARENTS WOULD RENT AN APARTMENT IN THE PLANT DISTRICT OR THE
03:28:00PM JEFFERSON DISTRICT SO THEIR KID COULD PLAY FOOTBALL AT THE
03:28:04PM RIGHT SCHOOL.
03:28:04PM WE WANT OUR CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2010.
03:28:07PM AND WE ALWAYS WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS.
03:28:09PM PLANT WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS.
03:28:11PM ARMWOOD.
03:28:12PM PEOPLE MADE CONCESSIONS TO DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND
03:28:16PM PEOPLE WILL DO THAT.
03:28:17PM IF THEY HAVE TO RENT AN APARTMENT JUST TO KEEP THEIR JOB, I
03:28:21PM FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN UNNECESSARY STEP.
03:28:24PM TAMPA HAS CHANGED TO 67.
03:28:25PM THIS IS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
03:28:27PM THIS IS EXECUTIVE LEVEL HIGH-END JOBS, REALLY ABOUT THE
03:28:31PM SKILL SETS OF INDIVIDUALS.
03:28:32PM AND I THINK THE VOTERS CAN MAKE SENSE OF THAT AS WELL.
03:28:35PM THEY CAN DECIDE THAT IT IS JUST NOT A NECESSARY STEP THAT WE
03:28:40PM HAVE TO MAKE IT.
03:28:40PM THE VOTERS CAN DECIDE AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE JUST AS
03:28:43PM UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY
03:28:47PM LIMITS; HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS IDEA
03:28:52PM THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF SHOULD LIVE IN THE
03:28:56PM CITY.
03:28:57PM IT IS IDEAL OR RECOMMENDED, BUT SHOULD NOT BE MANDATORY.
03:29:02PM THEREFORE, THE WAIVER IS, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARY.
03:29:05PM YOU HAVE TO YOU GIVE IT YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
03:29:08PM SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE.
03:29:10PM IT IS JUST NOT A REQUIREMENT.
03:29:13PM IT IS REALLY MORE SO OF THE SKILL SET OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND
03:29:17PM THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON.
03:29:19PM WHERE THEY LIVE IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
03:29:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:29:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I HAVE
03:29:28PM UNIQUE MEMORY OR RECOLLECTION OF THE CHARTER ISSUES FROM A
03:29:32PM COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
03:29:33PM REMEMBER THERE IS A CHARTER WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 22, 2022.
03:29:39PM CHECK IT OUT.
03:29:39PM WE CAME HERE TO CITY COUNCIL PREPARED TO DISCUSS CHARTER
03:29:42PM ISSUES AND WE CHOSE TO CONTINUE IT TO ANOTHER DAY.
03:29:45PM SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CLEAR THE RECORD ON THAT.
03:29:49PM WHY DO I REMEMBER THAT?
03:29:50PM ON SEPTEMBER 21 ALREADY I CHECKED IT OUT.
03:29:52PM MY SON AND I LEFT TOP GO TO WEST PALM BEACH TO SEE KISS ON
03:29:57PM CONCERT ON WEST PALM BEACH.
03:29:59PM I REMEMBER THAT WELL.
03:30:00PM WE SAW KISS.
03:30:01PM AND IT WAS GREAT CONCERT, BUT I LEFT WEST PALM BEACH AT
03:30:04PM ABOUT 9:30, I GOT BACK AT MAYBE 2 OR 3:00, AND I GOT UP TO
03:30:10PM CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE HAD -- I REMEMBER THAT DAY WHILE
03:30:12PM GOING TO SEE KISS IN WEST PALM BEACH GETTING ALL THESE PHONE
03:30:16PM CALLS ON ALL THESE CHARTER ISSUES AND THAT DAY COUNCIL VOTED
03:30:20PM TO CONTINUE THAT WORKSHOP.
03:30:21PM SO, AGAIN, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE VOTED TO OVERRIDE
03:30:28PM FIVE VETOES OF THE MAYOR ON CHARTER ISSUES AND GOING BEFORE
03:30:32PM THE VOTERS.
03:30:33PM SOME I SUPPORT AND SOME I DON'T.
03:30:35PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT PRESENTED AND STAFF GOT IN THE
03:30:40PM WAY.
03:30:40PM STAFF GOT IN THE WAY.
03:30:41PM COUNCIL CANCELLED THAT WORKSHOP AND I REMEMBER WELL BECAUSE
03:30:45PM I ROCKED OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND ONE OR TWO HOURS OF SLEEP.
03:30:48PM AND I HEAR THIS WITH UNIQUE RECOLLECTION.
03:30:51PM I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS.
03:30:53PM MOVES THIS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT
03:30:57PM THE OTHER FIVE CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT ULTIMATELY WENT
03:31:01PM BEFORE THE VOTERS.
03:31:01PM I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS REASONABLE, THANK YOU VERY
03:31:05PM MUCH.
03:31:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING ELSE.
03:31:06PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, READ ITEM NUMBER 75.
03:31:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
03:31:15PM CONSIDERS RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CITY OF TAMPA,
03:31:18PM FLORIDA, SIT IN TOGETHER ELECTIONS OF THE CITY PROPOSED
03:31:23PM AMENDMENT TO REVISED CHARTER OF CITY OF TAMPA OF 1975, TO
03:31:27PM AMEND SECTION 6.01 REVISE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY
03:31:33PM OFFICERS.
03:31:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
03:31:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:31:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
03:31:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
03:31:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
03:31:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
03:31:45PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:31:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:31:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:31:49PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
03:31:54PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION JULY 18, 10 A.M., 315 E.
03:32:00PM KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062.
03:32:03PM >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU.
03:32:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
03:32:09PM WE WILL GO RIGHT TO 76.
03:32:11PM FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
03:32:12PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]

03:48:43PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
03:48:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK.
03:48:50PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
03:48:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
03:48:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
03:48:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
03:49:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
03:49:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
03:49:04PM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
03:49:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. WIGGINTON, ITEM 7.
03:49:14PM >>RON WIGGINTON: RON WIGGINTON.
03:49:16PM AND NUMBER 76 RELATED TO THE LAND SWAP WHICH WAS ITEM
03:49:24PM NUMBER 41 AND THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS PROJECT AND HAS THE
03:49:28PM SATISFACTION OF CERTAIN CONDITIONS FOR THIS TRANSACTION TO
03:49:31PM CLOSE.
03:49:31PM ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS AMENDING THE 2003 ORDINANCE AS I
03:49:34PM MENTIONED WHICH VACATED THE TWO RIGHTS-OF-WAY SEEN IN
03:49:39PM YELLOW.
03:49:39PM IF I MAY HAVE THE ELMO UP?
03:49:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IT IS UP, SIR.
03:49:44PM >>RON WIGGINTON: NOSE TWO ALLEY WAYS.
03:49:46PM THE ONE IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY OF HENDERSON.
03:49:50PM ORIENT YOU, 275.
03:49:52PM NEBRASKA IS HERE TO THE EAST.
03:49:54PM 7th AVENUE HERE.
03:49:55PM AND HENDERSON AVENUE RIGHT THERE.
03:49:58PM AND DUE TO THE RESULTING DEAD END RIGHT HERE, THE ORDINANCE
03:50:03PM REQUIRED THAT GTE, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME TO
03:50:06PM CONSTRUCT AND I COULD SAY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA THIS
03:50:10PM NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY, WHICH THEY DID, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALSO
03:50:14PM REQUIRED THAT A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE BE EXECUTED BY THE
03:50:18PM MAYOR, WHICH WE HAVE NO RECORD THAT WAS EVER EXECUTED NOR
03:50:21PM RECORDED.
03:50:22PM SO THIS NEW ORDINANCE BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE COMPLIANCE
03:50:27PM AND REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE.
03:50:31PM BUT IT ALSO -- WE ARE ALSO ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE
03:50:34PM ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT REQUIRED -- SWITCHED OVER TO THIS -- SO
03:50:45PM THAT 2003 ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME, IN 2003, GTE OWNED THIS
03:50:53PM PARCEL RIGHT HERE AND THESE TWO PARCELS RIGHT HERE.
03:50:55PM THAT WAS REALLY THE IMPETUS OF THE VACATING OF HENDERSON
03:51:00PM AVENUE AND SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED THAT BOTH OF THOSE
03:51:03PM NORTH AND SOUTH PARCELS BE DEVELOPED TOGETHER UNDER THE ONE
03:51:10PM SITE PLAN UNFORTUNATELY -- NECESSARILY HE LOOKED BUT GTE
03:51:17PM CONVEYED THEIR FEE SIMPLE TO BOZ LEGACY.
03:51:20PM AND THE INTENTION OF WORKS, LEGACY TO DEVELOP A MULTIFAMILY
03:51:25PM MARKET-RATE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
03:51:28PM SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE AND
03:51:33PM BASICALLY BIFURCATE THE TWO PARCELS FROM ONE ANOTHER AND NOT
03:51:36PM HAVE THEM DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER.
03:51:39PM THAT WILL BE A SECOND MODIFICATION TO THIS ORDINANCE AND WE
03:51:47PM ARE GOING BACK TO 2003 AND RECONSTITUTING HENDERSON AVENUE
03:51:52PM AS IT ONCE WAS IN 2003 AND WE ARE BASICALLY ELIMINATING THE
03:51:56PM NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY.
03:51:58PM CITY STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT.
03:51:59PM AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE
03:52:02PM APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE.
03:52:04PM I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:52:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
03:52:10PM YES, MA'AM.
03:52:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE SUCH A
03:52:12PM WONDERFUL ALLEY.
03:52:13PM I USE IT ALL THE TIME.
03:52:14PM I THOUGHT IT WAS A STREET.
03:52:15PM SO I AM DISCOVERING THAT IT WAS AN ALLEY AT STAFF THIS WEEK.
03:52:22PM THE -- DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE COMPANY IN QUESTION THAT
03:52:28PM WANTS TO DEVELOP THIS LAND AT MARKET RATE, THEY WILL ONLY BE
03:52:33PM ENTITLED TO THAT PARTICULAR STRIP OF ALLEYWAY?
03:52:37PM >>RON WIGGINTON: YES, WITH THE LAND SWAP AGREEMENT.
03:52:39PM WE ACQUIRED FROM GTE A PORTION OF THE ALLEY, OTHER BY PLAT.
03:52:44PM THAT WAS BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
03:52:47PM WE GOT THE FEE AND COMBINED AND MADE THAT NORTH-SOUTH
03:52:51PM ALLEYWAY.
03:52:51PM WE ALREADY VACATED THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY BUT WE STILL
03:52:55PM HAVE A TRANSPORTATION EAsem*nT OVER IT.
03:52:57PM AND PART OF THE LAND SWAP AGREEMENT, WE WILL BE RELEASING
03:53:03PM THOSE EAsem*nTS IN FAVOR OF A NEW ONE FOR HENDERSON AVENUE
03:53:07PM AND CONVERTING OUR FEE SIMPLE INTEREST TO BOZ LEGACY SO THEY
03:53:11PM WILL HAVE THE TWO PARCELS ABUT EACH OTHER RATHER THAN HAVE
03:53:15PM THE ALLEYWAY IN THE MIDDLE.
03:53:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PUBLIC WON'T BE ABLE TO USE IT AGAIN?
03:53:21PM >>RON WIGGINTON: NO, MA'AM, IT WILL BE CLOSED.
03:53:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
03:53:25PM NO QUESTIONS.
03:53:26PM >>RON WIGGINTON: THANK YOU.
03:53:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IS AX
03:53:31PM EXTENSION OF HENDERSON AVENUE TO THE INTERSTATE.
03:53:36PM >>RON WIGGINTON: UNDER THE INTERSTATE BE CONNECTING TO
03:53:38PM CENTRAL AVENUE.
03:53:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, BEAUTIFUL, THANK YOU.
03:53:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:53:42PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
03:53:44PM ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD MR. WIGGINTON?
03:53:46PM >>RON WIGGINTON: NO THANK YOU.
03:53:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
03:53:49PM DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER HERE FOR THIS?
03:53:51PM NO, WE HAVE THE --
03:53:53PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
03:53:55PM I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER
03:53:59PM QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:54:00PM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:54:02PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:54:06PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:54:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, SINCE YOUR NAME IS ON IT.
03:54:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, OF COURSE.
03:54:15PM BUT FOR THE RECORD, THAT PROPERTY WAS SOMEBODY THAT
03:54:19PM DEFINITELY DID NOT LOOK LIKE ME.
03:54:20PM OKAY.
03:54:21PM FILE NUMBER C 02-26.
03:54:26PM ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
03:54:28PM ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2003-23 PASSED AND
03:54:33PM ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON JANUARY
03:54:36PM 23,2003 WHICH VACATED OR CLOSED, DISCONTINUED AND ABANDONED
03:54:44PM THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN THE VICINITY OF 711 EAST HENDERSON
03:54:49PM AVENUE AS FURTHER DESCRIBED BELOW, AMEN ORGANIZE DELETING
03:54:54PM CERTAIN CONDITIONS PRECEDENT SET FORTH IN SECTION 5 THEREOF
03:55:00PM IN ORDER TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO
03:55:04PM THE VACATED RIGHTS-OF-WAY.
03:55:06PM REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND
03:55:09PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:55:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
03:55:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:55:14PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:55:15PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:55:16PM AYE.
03:55:18PM OPPOSED?
03:55:21PM >>CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION JULY 18, 10 A.M., 315
03:55:25PM E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, THIRD FLOOR, 33602.
03:55:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:55:31PM GO TO STAFF REPORT.
03:55:32PM ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
03:55:34PM MR. HUTCHINSON IS HERE.
03:55:36PM YOU HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GO OVER WITH US, SIR?
03:55:46PM >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, JC HUTCHINSON, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES
03:55:51PM MANAGER, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION.
03:55:54PM WE HAVE A FEW -- WANTED TO BRING FOURTH -- LET'S SEE CAN YOU
03:55:59PM ALL SEE THAT?
03:56:02PM THERE YOU GO.
03:56:03PM SO WE JUST WANT TO BRING FORWARD A FEW IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE
03:56:07PM BEEN MAKING OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND WE WANTED TO SHARE
03:56:10PM IT WITH CITY COUNCIL A WITH HE TRY FIND BETTER WAYS TO WORK
03:56:13PM WITH THE PUBLIC DEALING WITH PERMITTING.
03:56:16PM ON THE FIRST ONE HERE.
03:56:17PM PERMIT MAP THAT HAS BEEN CREATED TO HELP CITIZENS UNDERSTAND
03:56:21PM RESIDENTIAL PERMITS.
03:56:22PM A LOT OF TIMES, WE HAVE HOMEOWNER WHO WANT TO DO THEIR OWN
03:56:26PM WORK.
03:56:26PM THEY ARE NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF PERMIT AND HOW TO GO THROUGH
03:56:31PM THE PROCESS.
03:56:31PM BEFORE THEY GO TO ACELA AND FALL IN THAT RABBIT HOLE.
03:56:35PM SOMETHING A LITTLE EASY ANOTHER NAVIGATE AND GO THROUGH.
03:56:38PM PERMITIT.GOV, GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, ZONING AND
03:56:46PM REGARDLESS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN GO THROUGH
03:56:50PM THERE.
03:56:50PM WHEN WE GO TO THE OFFICE, WE HAVE A RECORD OF THIS
03:56:53PM INFORMATION.
03:56:53PM YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT.
03:56:54PM HEY, WE CAN GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION AND FOLLOW THROUGH
03:56:57PM WITH THAT.
03:56:58PM A WAY TO HELP THE HOMEOWNERS.
03:57:00PM WE WANTED TO FIND WAYS TO UNDERSTAND THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
03:57:04PM WE DON'T WANT TO PULL AN ALTERATION WHEN IT SHOULD BE AN
03:57:08PM ADDITION.
03:57:09PM MAKE SURE THEY ARE PAYING THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND PULLING THE
03:57:12PM RIGHT PERMITS AND THE INSPECTOR GOES OUT AND SAYS THIS IS
03:57:16PM NOT THE RIGHT PERMIT AND HAVING TO START OVER.
03:57:18PM WE WANT TO STREAMLINE THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
03:57:21PM THAT IS ACTIVE NOW.
03:57:23PM OUR SECOND THING IS OUR TEXT TO INSPECT.
03:57:25PM I HAVE A FEW OF THESE SO ANOTHER BARRIER WE RECOGNIZED.
03:57:36PM DEALING WITH CONTRACTORS AND STAFF ON-SITE, THEY DON'T
03:57:40PM NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO ACELA.
03:57:42PM EVERYONE WITH THEIR OWN CELL PHONE -- EVERYBODY HAS THEIR
03:57:45PM OWN CELL PHONE.
03:57:45PM TEXT IN THOSE INSPECTION SO AS YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO
03:57:49PM THROUGH ACELA OR THAT PROCESS AND COORDINATES WITH ACELA AND
03:57:54PM ONE LAST STEP YOU HAVE TO DO.
03:57:56PM YOU HAVE THE BROCHURE GOING OUT TO 450 GENERAL CONTRACTORS
03:58:01PM OR THE SUBCONTRACTORS SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THE NEW PROGRAM.
03:58:04PM LITERALLY ALL YOU DO IS TEXT THAT.
03:58:06PM NO COST.
03:58:07PM NO ADDITIONAL COST AND START TEXTING TO 80 5-AND ASK FOR
03:58:14PM YOUR RECORD NUMBER AND WHAT TYPE OF INSPECTION WOULD YOU
03:58:16PM LIKE TO DO.
03:58:17PM CONFIRMS THAT INSPECTION, AND YOU GET THAT TEXT.
03:58:19PM ONCE THAT IS CONFIRMED, THAT INSPECTION IS CONFIRMED AND
03:58:23PM GOES INTO THE SYSTEM.
03:58:24PM ONCE STAFF GETS ON AND SAYS THIS FAILED OR THIS PASSED.
03:58:27PM YOU GET A TEXT MESSAGE BACK SAYING THIS INSPECTION PASSED OR
03:58:31PM FAILED.
03:58:31PM YOU ARE BEING CAUGHT IN LINE WITH THE PROCESS AS IT IS GOING
03:58:35PM THROUGH.
03:58:35PM LASTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS TRY TO
03:58:46PM MAXIMIZE SPACES AND OPPORTUNITIES WORK TOGETHER WITH
03:58:49PM CITIZENS ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH CODE
03:58:51PM COMPLIANCE.
03:58:51PM SO WE HAVE TRANSITIONED THE CHAPTER 5, 19 AND 27 CODE
03:58:58PM COMPLIANCE HEARINGS.
03:59:02PM A, PROVIDES MOST PEOPLE THE COMPLEMENT OF BETTER PARKING
03:59:06PM ACCESS.
03:59:07PM IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION, WE HAVE MORE STAFF THAT IS
03:59:09PM AVAILABLE BECAUSE THE STAFF COMES DOWNSTAIRS TO HELP WITH
03:59:13PM THE PROCESSES AND TRY TO HELP THEM BETTER.
03:59:15PM TWO, IF THEY NEED A PERMIT THEY CAN WALK UP THE STAIRS FROM
03:59:18PM THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND GIVE THEM THE
03:59:21PM ASSISTANCE THEY NEED.
03:59:22PM ONCE WE GET TO NEXT MONTH, THE INTENT IS TO MOVE THE
03:59:26PM HEARINGS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT VIA THE FIRST AND SECOND AND
03:59:29PM CONSTRUCTION WILL COMPLIANCE TO BE THE THIRD AND FOURTH.
03:59:32PM RIGHT NOW WE ARE NAVIGATING IT AND EVERY OTHER WEEK AND KIND
03:59:35PM OF SCATTERED.
03:59:36PM IF HE A FULL DAY, WE CAN GET MORE DONE, SHORTEN THE PROJECTS
03:59:41PM AND SHORTEN THE TIMELINE FOR COMPLIANCE.
03:59:44PM LIKE I SAID RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM, WE ARE HANDLING 40 TO 50
03:59:49PM CASES RIGHT NOW WE CAN ONLY HANDLE 20 EVERY OTHER WEEK TO
03:59:53PM WORK INTO THE SCHEDULES AND USING CURRENT CITY HALL.
03:59:55PM OBVIOUSLY IN THESE CHAMBER ARE NO NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT
04:00:01PM ROOM, A BIGGER TIME FRAME TO WORK AND GET THOSE PROJECTS
04:00:04PM INTO COMPLIANCE.
04:00:05PM THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
04:00:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:00:08PM ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
04:00:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, WE APPRECIATE IT.
04:00:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS A GOOD JOB.
04:00:15PM I DO WANT TO SAY THAT.
04:00:17PM THIS IS GOOD MANISCALCO A GREAT BROCHURE.
04:00:19PM IT IS VERY CLEAR.
04:00:21PM NEXT UP, WE WILL HEAR ITEM 78 AND 80 TOGETHER.
04:00:25PM AND THEN 79.
04:00:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WILL TAKE SEPARATE
04:00:32PM VOTES.
04:00:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SEPARATE VOTES.
04:00:34PM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
04:00:37PM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HERE TO SPEAK TO
04:00:42PM THE FIRST HEAR ON ITEMS 78 AND 80.
04:00:45PM THIS IS RELATED TO THE WEST RIVER WALK.
04:00:50PM THE FORMAL TITLE FOR WHICH IS TAMPA MULTIMODAL NETWORK AND
04:00:57PM SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
04:00:58PM THAT IS HOW IT WAS SUBMITTED TO FEDERAL ROADWAY FOR A GRANT.
04:01:02PM SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS A HEARING AND
04:01:08PM CONSIDERATION OF A CONTRACT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE
04:01:14PM AWARDED TO THE HASKELL COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT OF $56.9 MORE
04:01:22PM OR LESS MILLION DOLLARS.
04:01:23PM QUICK BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT.
04:01:27PM THE -- THE PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED IN LATE 2019.
04:01:33PM IT WAS CONCEIVED ON THE BACK OF -- OR EARLY 2020.
04:01:40PM RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES THAT
04:01:45PM WERE FORMED BY THE MAYOR AS PART OF TRANSFORMING TOMORROW.
04:01:52PM PARKS AND MOBILITY WORK ON MULTIBENEFIT PROJECTS.
04:01:58PM THIS IS ONE OF AN EXAMPLE OF MULTIBENEFIT PROJECTS.
04:02:03PM ONCE THE PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED, WE DID APPLY FOR FEDERAL
04:02:07PM FUNDING.
04:02:08PM AND FEDERAL FUNDING AND COUNCIL APPROVED JULY 14, 2022 IN
04:02:17PM THE AMOUNT OF $24 MILLION.
04:02:18PM AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTION AND BASED ON OUR INITIAL
04:02:24PM ESTIMATES, BOTH AS REFLECTED IN OUR ORIGINAL GRANT DOCUMENT,
04:02:29PM AS WELL AS OUR EFFORTS WITH OUR CONSULTANTS REPORTING ON
04:02:33PM THIS.
04:02:33PM OUR ESTIMATE IS $30 MILLION.
04:02:35PM WE ASK FOR 24 MILLION AND 6 MILLION COMING AS A LOCAL MATCH
04:02:42PM FROM OUR CIPs TOWARD THE SAME.
04:02:45PM OF COURSE, THIS WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
04:02:49PM AND THE PANDEMIC HIT.
04:02:51PM WE HAD SIGNIFICANT PRICE ESCALATIONS.
04:02:53PM WE STILL HAVE BEEN IN THAT SCENARIO.
04:02:56PM NOTHING SCOPE OF THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED AND TOUCH ON THE
04:03:04PM PROJECT ITSELF IN A SECOND.
04:03:06PM OUR FIRST ESTIMATE WAS $30 MILLION.
04:03:08PM OUR SECOND ESTIMATE CONCEPT OF 2021 WAS $42 MILLION.
04:03:15PM AND THE ACTUAL BID -- THE INITIAL BID FROM THE CONTRACTOR,
04:03:20PM THE LOW BID CAME OUT AT 47 MILLION.
04:03:22PM ONCE WE HAD THAT INITIAL BID AFTER COUNCIL APPROVED A GRANT,
04:03:29PM WE SUBMITTED THAT TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY FOR CONSIDERATION.
04:03:33PM FEDERAL HIGHWAY TO -- ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS TO
04:03:38PM GET BACK TO US OF WHICH TIME, THE CONTRACTOR HAD TO
04:03:44PM RECONSIDER THEIR PRICING.
04:03:45PM ALL BECAUSE OF INFLATION AND MATERIALS AND ALL OF THAT GOING
04:03:49PM ON UP.
04:03:49PM BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE CONTRACT HER TO KEEP THE TEAM AND
04:03:53PM RESOURCES IN PLACE FOR THE COPE OF WORK FOR THAT.
04:03:56PM AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK OUT IN THE MARKET SOMETIME MONEY
04:04:03PM LITERALLY AND PRICE DID GO UP FROM YOU THAT INITIAL 47.
04:04:06PM AND TO CLARIFY, IT WAS 47 PLUS $5 MILLION CONTINGENCY 52.
04:04:12PM GONE UP TO 57 ALMOST AND THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF $4 MILLION
04:04:18PM RIGHT THERE.
04:04:19PM BECAUSE OF THAT INCREASE WE HAD TO GO BACK FEDERAL HIGHWAY
04:04:23PM AND INFORM THEM THAT THE PRICE HAS CHANGED.
04:04:25PM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO APPROVE.
04:04:28PM THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER AS WELL.
04:04:32PM THEY CAME BACK TO US. GAVE THAT APPROVAL.
04:04:34PM AND THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
04:04:35PM THAT AMENDMENT 1 TO RATIFY THE PRICE FROM THE CONTRACTOR
04:04:40PM WHICH IS ITEM 79.
04:04:41PM YOU WILL FIND THAT SEPARATELY.
04:04:44PM STICKING TO 78 AND 80.
04:04:47PM SO THIS PROJECT IS IN ESSENCE ACTIVATING THE WATERFRONT IN
04:04:58PM WEST TAMPA MAINLY.
04:04:59PM BUT ALSO IMPACTS A SLEW OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDING OLD
04:05:04PM WEST COMPANY, WEST RIVERFRONT, RIDGEWOOD.
04:05:12PM AND ALONG AROUND THAT PROJECT BRINGS ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS
04:05:25PM TOGETHER AND PROPOSE TODAY ACT THE RIVERFRONT.
04:05:31PM AND COMMUNITY NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE ALL THE WAY TO
04:05:45PM COLUMBUS.
04:05:45PM AND THIS IS A CONNECTOR PROJECT.
04:05:49PM I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
04:05:51PM THIS PROJECT WAS NOT CONCEIVED IN ISOLATION.
04:05:53PM THIS HAS A LOT OF ALIGNMENT WHERE MOVES.
04:05:56PM AND A LOT OF ALIGNMENT WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE,
04:06:00PM BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE NETWORK.
04:06:03PM THIS CONNECTOR PROJECT BRINGS TOGETHER BALLAST POINT TO WEST
04:06:09PM TAMPA AND DOWN TO YBOR.
04:06:13PM WEST TAMPA ALL THE WAY TO THE HEIGHTS WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS
04:06:19PM PROJECT THAT FDOT HAD ON FLORIDA AND TAMPA STREETS.
04:06:22PM AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE CONNECTION IT IS PROVIDED
04:06:30PM THAT IS CENTRAL TO THE CONNECTIVITY.
04:06:32PM THERE ARE MANY BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT, CERTAINLY, AND IT
04:06:36PM IS A VALUABLE PROJECT.
04:06:37PM I WILL LIST A FEW OF THEM.
04:06:40PM I DID MENTION THIS WAS A CONNECTOR IN A COORDINATED SET OF
04:06:44PM PROJECTS.
04:06:45PM OUR MOBILITY PLAN THAT WAS RELIEVED LAST YEAR, THE MOVES
04:06:48PM PLAN.
04:06:49PM IT SETS CERTAIN GOALS IN PLACE FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
04:06:53PM ONE OF THEM IS TO REDUCE VMT, VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED
04:06:59PM OVERALL.
04:06:59PM A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT CREATES CAR-FREE INFRASTRUCTURE
04:07:03PM SUPPORTS THAT GOAL.
04:07:04PM VISION ZERO.
04:07:06PM SAFETY.
04:07:07PM SEPARATED FACILITIES THAT DON'T INTERACT WITH VEHICLES AT
04:07:11PM ALL ARE INHERENTLY SAFE FOR VULNERABLE ROADWAY USERS SO TO
04:07:18PM THAT END, THIS SIGNIFICANTLY BOOSTS OUR VISION ZERO GOALS
04:07:22PM AND SAFETY.
04:07:24PM PROMOTES WALKING, BIKING AND TRANSIT WHICH IS ANOTHER ONE OF
04:07:28PM OUR GOALS ALONG WITH REDUCTION OF VMP.
04:07:31PM AND THAT GOAL IS TO IMPROVE AND INCREASE ACTIVE TRAPPING IN
04:07:37PM TRANSIT.
04:07:38PM IN FACT, 80% OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SURVEYED AS PART OF A
04:07:44PM PLANNING EFFORT REFLECTED THIS DESIRE.
04:07:46PM AND THAT PROJECT DOES THAT.
04:07:47PM AND BRINGS TOGETHER DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
04:07:50PM IT REDUCES CONGESTION.
04:07:53PM EVERY COMMUTER THAT CHOOSES TO USE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OR
04:07:57PM TRANSIT IS ONE LESS CAR ON THE ROAD AND REDUCES CONGESTION.
04:08:01PM IT -- IT PROMOTES STATE OF GOOD REPAIR AS WELL.
04:08:06PM THE SURFACE STREET ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT NEW
04:08:10PM INFRASTRUCTURE.
04:08:12PM DO PROMOTE STATE OF GOOD REPAIR.
04:08:15PM AND CONSISTENT WITH THE INVEST GOAL OF THE MOVES PLAN.
04:08:18PM AND MORE OF THE INVEST GOAL IN A SECOND.
04:08:21PM IT CREATES PLACEMAKING AND IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE.
04:08:25PM WALK-BIKE TAMPA SHARED A REPORT FROM ULI FROM 2017 THAT MORE
04:08:34PM OR LESS PROVIDES SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR PLACEMAKING
04:08:37PM EFFORTS THAT HAVE BOOSTED QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROPERTY
04:08:43PM VALUES ALONG ITS ALIGNMENT.
04:08:45PM AND, OF COURSE WE HAVE A LARGE TEAM OF BOTH PARKS AND
04:08:52PM TRANSPORTATION TEAM MEMBERS THAT WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
04:08:54PM JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND CALL THEM OUT FOR THEIR
04:08:57PM EFFORTS.
04:08:57PM THE LIVING SHORELINES COMPONENT AND THE ACTIVATION OF THE
04:09:03PM RIVER COMPONENT ITSELF PROMOTES SUSTAINABILITY AND
04:09:06PM RESILIENCE.
04:09:08PM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS OF THE RIVER WALK ARE WELL
04:09:13PM ESTABLISHED BY THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, BY FRIENDS OF THE
04:09:16PM RIVERWALK, AND BY SEVERAL OTHER GROUPS NATIONWIDE AND
04:09:22PM CERTAINLY THAT IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
04:09:24PM BUT WE HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT GROWTH RESULT OF THE RIVER WALK
04:09:29PM ALSO.
04:09:30PM YOU HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE
04:09:36PM EARLIER TODAY, AND THEY MENTIONED THE WEST RIVER WALK AS
04:09:41PM WELL AS A PRIORITY.
04:09:42PM AND THEN I WANTED TO TOUCH UPON THE BUDGET ITSELF.
04:09:47PM I KNOW THERE IS A CONCERN WITH THE COST OF THE PRINCE GEORGE
04:09:50PM AND HOW MUCH WE MAY NEED TO BOND.
04:09:53PM CONSIDERING THIS CONTRACT, WHICH IS UP FOR APPROVAL IN JULY
04:09:58PM OR ON JULY 18.
04:10:00PM TODAY IS THE FIRST HEARING ONLY.
04:10:03PM IT IS IMPLICIT THAT IT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SOME SORT OF BOND
04:10:11PM ISSUANCE.
04:10:12PM AS A DEPARTMENT.
04:10:13PM AS A TEAM, WE COMMIT TO YOU AS WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESS ENVELOPE
04:10:19PM THE PAST, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING
04:10:23PM STATE, LOCK, CRA AND FEDERAL, OF COURSE.
04:10:28PM AND THEN WORK WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES BOTH AT THE STATE AND
04:10:33PM FEDERAL LEVELS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BURDEN ON THE CITY IS
04:10:39PM AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
04:10:40PM A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING STILL ON THE TABLE FROM THE
04:10:43PM BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW.
04:10:45PM AND WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH A LOT OF THOSE
04:10:50PM DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CLEARINGHOUSES FOR THAT FUNDING.
04:10:54PM SO THIS IS BY NO MEANS IS THE END OF OUR LOOKING FOR
04:10:59PM FINANCES TO AUGMENT THIS PROJECT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE
04:11:08PM COST INCREASE -- TO THE EXTENT WE CAN USE THE WORD
04:11:13PM "INCREASE" IS CONSISTENT WITH EVERY OTHER AGENCY THAT DOES
04:11:15PM LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND THE
04:11:18PM STATE OF FLORIDA.
04:11:18PM THEA, FDOT, THE COUNTY, HAVE ALL SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASES
04:11:25PM RELATIVE TO THEIR ESTIMATES FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE FOUR
04:11:28PM YEARS LATER.
04:11:29PM SO THIS IS NOT OUTSIDE OF THAT MARGIN OF ERROR, ALTHOUGH IT
04:11:33PM IS A HIGHER COST THAN THE NUMBER WE FIRST ESTIMATED IN 2020.
04:11:40PM AND FINALLY, I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS.
04:11:42PM THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF MEANS.
04:11:46PM WE HAVE PAVING NEEDS.
04:11:47PM WE HAVE SIDEWALK NEEDS.
04:11:50PM THOSE NEEDS ARE CRITICAL AND MUST BE ADDRESSED.
04:11:53PM THOSE NEEDS ARE ALSO COSTS MEANING THOSE ARE MAINTENANCE
04:11:58PM NEEDS FOR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
04:12:00PM RAPIDLY FORECAST CITY.
04:12:02PM AND WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER INVESTMENTS AS WELL.
04:12:06PM NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL GIVE BACK MUCH HIGHER RETURNS
04:12:11PM AND THIS PROJECT IS ONE SUCH EXAMPLE OF INVESTMENTS.
04:12:15PM SO, YES, THERE IS A HIGH COST TO IT, BUT IT IS ALSO AN
04:12:19PM INVESTMENT.
04:12:19PM AND IT HITS UPON MANY OF THE GOALS THAT WE ALL SHARE
04:12:23PM RELATIVE TO SAFETY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND AFFORDABLE
04:12:28PM MOBILITY AND EQUITY BRINGING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT OTHERWISE
04:12:33PM DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS INTO THE FOLD OF ALL THE ACTION THAT
04:12:37PM IS HAPPENING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.
04:12:38PM WITH THAT, I AM JOINED BY OUR CFO DENNIS.
04:12:45PM LEGAL, JUSTIN VASKE AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS OR
04:12:54PM PROVIDE ANY CLARIFICATION.
04:12:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
04:12:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP EQUITY WEST TAMPA IS
04:13:03PM AN AREA NEGLECTED AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE
04:13:07PM CITY AND A LOT OF ATTENTION BUT NOT THE SQUEAKY WHEEL FOR
04:13:10PM THE MOST PART.
04:13:10PM WE HAD SOME EXCITING THINGS HAPPENED THERE RECENTLY, BUT
04:13:13PM THIS WILL BE DEFINITELY TRANSFORMATIONAL NOT ONLY FOR WEST
04:13:17PM TAMPA BUT THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA AS WE DOUBLE DOWN ON A
04:13:20PM GOOD THING.
04:13:20PM LIKE WE TALK OF STREETCAR EXPANSIONS DOUBLING DOWN ON THE
04:13:24PM GOOD THING.
04:13:25PM RIVERWALK EXCEEDED EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATION AS FAR AS THE
04:13:29PM PEOPLE IN CITY OF TAMPA, ONE, UTILIZING IT.
04:13:32PM UTILIZING IT FOR RECREATION.
04:13:34PM AND ALSO FOR ALTERNATE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
04:13:36PM NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR FOR PEOPLE TO GET FROM POINT A TO
04:13:41PM POINT B AND EXPAND ON THE WEST SIDE.
04:13:44PM A COUPLE OF POINTS AND I ALREADY EXPRESSED THIS TO YOU.
04:13:47PM I WAS CONCERNED OF THE ONE SEGMENT RELATED AND HOE WE GET
04:13:52PM THROUGH THAT ON THE SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
04:13:55PM AND HOW THAT -- THAT WILL BE A HUGE GAPING HOLE IN THAT
04:14:00PM DEVELOPMENT.
04:14:01PM DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES?
04:14:06PM >>VIK BHIDE: I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I CAN CHECK.
04:14:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
04:14:10PM >>VIK BHIDE: LIKE TO CLARIFY UNDER THE -- UNDER THE TERMS OF
04:14:15PM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATED FOR THE TOWERS THAT ARE
04:14:18PM GOING AROUND THE GRAND CENTRAL AREA --
04:14:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PROPOSED.
04:14:22PM >>VIK BHIDE: YES THERE ARE THEY ARE PROPOSED.
04:14:28PM THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD THE RIVERWALK.
04:14:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PEOPLE NOT PRIVY TO YOUR AND MY
04:14:34PM CONVERSATION.
04:14:34PM WE CREATED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON A PROPOSED TOWER THAT
04:14:38PM THEY COMPLETE THAT PORTION OF THE RIVERWALK, BUT NO -- AS
04:14:41PM FAR AS I KNOW, TO DEADLINE REQUIRING THEM TO START
04:14:43PM CONSTRUCTION OR, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD SIT -- THAT PIECE OF
04:14:46PM THE RIVERWALK COULD BE EMPTY OR VACANT FOR YEARS IF THEY
04:14:50PM CHOOSE NOT TO ACT ON THAT DEVELOPMENT.
04:14:53PM I AM KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND WOULD LIKE
04:14:56PM TO GET MORE ANSWERS TO THAT, HOW WE GET AROUND AND THROUGH
04:15:00PM THAT.
04:15:00PM SECONDLY, AS I ALLUDED TO THIS MORNING, IT IS GOING TO BE MY
04:15:06PM -- AND MY INTENT DURING THE CRA MEETING FOR A CONTRIBUTION
04:15:11PM FROM THE WEST TAMPA CRA AND MONEY THERE.
04:15:13PM THIS IS CLEARLY IN THE SCOPE OF WHAT CRA FUNDING WILL BE AND
04:15:19PM I HAVE SPOKEN TO FOLKS WITH THE CAC AND OTHER KEY FIGURES
04:15:22PM THERE.
04:15:22PM AND THE WEST TAMPA CRT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
04:15:28PM AND MY INITIAL PROPOSAL -- OF COURSE THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN
04:15:32PM STONE THAT WE GET FIVE MILLION OUT OF THE CURRENT FISCAL
04:15:36PM THREE AT THE NEXT AND TWO AT THE NEXT FOR A TOTAL OF TEN
04:15:39PM OVER THREE YEARS OUT OF -- OUT OF THE CRA.
04:15:44PM THE REASON WHY, TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO
04:15:47PM BOND.
04:15:47PM NOT THAT WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND, BUT TO MINIMIZE THE
04:15:50PM AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WOULD HAVE TO BOND AT THESE HIGH INTEREST
04:15:53PM RATES SIMILAR TO WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
04:15:55PM I THINK THAT -- THAT IS ACTUALLY A REASONABLE WAY TO
04:16:00PM MITIGATE THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AND, AGAIN, USE THE CRA
04:16:05PM FUNDS AND ARE AVAILABLE TO US FOR THE PURPOSE OF THEIR
04:16:07PM INTENDED ANTICIPATED GROWTH.
04:16:10PM BECAUSE THIS WILL ALLOW CONNECTIVITY IN SO MANY WAYS THAT
04:16:16PM INCLUDES A PUBLIX, GROCERY STORES.
04:16:18PM A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE HAPPENING OVER THERE.
04:16:21PM IT WILL BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.
04:16:22PM >>VIK BHIDE: ON THAT POINT, WE HAVE MADE A CAN TO THE CRAS.
04:16:27PM I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION BRIEFLY WITH THE CRA DIRECTOR.
04:16:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS ISN'T THE CRA, WE ARE WEARING
04:16:36PM DIFFERENT HATS.
04:16:36PM CAC -- MAYBE THE CAC AND THE DIRECTOR MANY.
04:16:41PM >>VIK BHIDE: AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
04:16:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE NOT HEARD THAT YET.
04:16:46PM I THINK THAT IS REASONABLE THING.
04:16:48PM HOPEFULLY THAT WILL MITIGATE.
04:16:51PM IF WE CAN FIND WAYS TO COST SAVE.
04:16:55PM AND IN REFERENCE TO THAT, WHY DESIGN-BUILD INSTEAD OF DESIGN
04:16:58PM CONTRACT?
04:17:00PM WHY WAS THAT --
04:17:01PM >>VIK BHIDE: SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS
04:17:03PM ONE IS THE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT CAN STILL HAVE THE ELEMENTS
04:17:10PM OF DESIGN TO BE REVIEWED BEFORE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION, AT
04:17:15PM LEAST SUBSTANTIALLY.
04:17:16PM THE OTHER IS GENERALLY THE THOUGHT IS THAT DESIGN-BUILD
04:17:23PM CONTRACTS ARE MUCH EASIER TO EXECUTE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL
04:17:27PM THE PLAYERS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE UNDER ONE CONTRACT UNDER
04:17:30PM ONE TEAM AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FINGER POINTING FROM ONE TO
04:17:35PM THE OTHER AND ALSO SCHEDULED BENEFITS.
04:17:41PM USUAL LIE SCHEDULED BENEFITS TO DESIGN-BUILD PRIMARILY
04:17:44PM BECAUSE YOU COULD COMMENCE DESIGN ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS WHILE
04:17:47PM YOU COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OR OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE SIMPLER.
04:17:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID HASKELL DO THE EXISTING WALL?
04:17:56PM >> THEY DID NOT.
04:17:57PM HASKELL HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
04:18:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME SO I DIDN'T KNOW.
04:18:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:18:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM SURE I AM GOING TO BE IN THE MINORITY
04:18:12PM TODAY, BUT I AM GOING TO PROUDLY VOTE NO FOR THIS.
04:18:17PM THANK YOU, VIK, FOR AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
04:18:21PM YOU ARE PASSIONATE OF ALL THE ASPECTS YOU ARE DOING AND
04:18:24PM EXCELLENT WITH CONSTITUENT AND HELPING CONSTITUENTS AND ALSO
04:18:32PM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FOLKS WHO FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS AND
04:18:37PM E-MAILED US AND CALLED US YESTERDAY.
04:18:38PM SOME VERY POWERFUL NAMES ON THERE THAT SUDDENLY FOUND OUT
04:18:43PM ABOUT THIS, AND I TOLD THEM UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO DISAGREE
04:18:46PM WITH THEM.
04:18:46PM EVERYBODY -- I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS OF THE FOLKS IN THE
04:18:50PM COMMUNITY, BUT -- BUT I HAVE TO -- AS I SAID, I HAVE TO VOTE
04:18:54PM NO.
04:18:55PM HERE IS THE THING.
04:18:56PM IF WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO AND THE PROJECT WAS $30 MILLION AND
04:19:00PM WE WERE PAYING $6 MILLION.
04:19:02PM I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO SUPPORT THIS.
04:19:04PM I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
04:19:06PM I AM NOT AGAINST THE RIVERWALK.
04:19:08PM I AM IN FAVOR OF A WESTERN RIVERWALK.
04:19:11PM BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING THIS MUCH MONEY ESPECIALLY
04:19:14PM WHEN WE HAVE TO BOND IT.
04:19:15PM I AM AGAINST ANY MORE BONDING.
04:19:18PM AND WILL VOTE AGAINST ANY KIND OF BONDING.
04:19:21PM A BOND SOMETHING NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A TAX INCREASE.
04:19:24PM AND WE ARE WAY PAST THE LIMITS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE BONDING
04:19:28PM AND CAN'T SPEND IT ON THINGS THAT ARE NICE TO HAVE INSTEAD
04:19:31PM OF THINGS THAT WE NEED.
04:19:32PM ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY OBJECT TO THE COMMUNICATION
04:19:37PM DEPARTMENT PUTTING OUT THE COMMUNICATION SAYING THAT
04:19:39PM BILLIONS OF INVESTMENT WAS INVESTED.
04:19:41PM THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
04:19:43PM I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES
04:19:47PM AND I KNOW THOSE PROPERTIES WELL ALONG THE RIVER.
04:19:50PM NONE OF THEM, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS BUILT BECAUSE OF
04:19:53PM THE RIVERWALK.
04:19:54PM THEY ALL USE THE RIVERWALK AS AN AMENITY LIKE THEY USE THE
04:19:58PM RIVER AS AN AMENITY.
04:19:59PM RIVERWALK IS OUTSTANDING AND WON ALL KIND OF AWARDS.
04:20:02PM PEOPLE LOVE IT.
04:20:03PM THANK YOU FOR KATHY CASTOR FOR BRINGING IN THE MONEY AND
04:20:08PM BILL POE FOR HIS VISION TO CREATE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT
04:20:12PM THE REASON THOSE BUILDINGS WENT THERE.
04:20:14PM PEOPLE TRYING TO BUILD BUILDINGS ON THE WATERFRONT FOR
04:20:19PM DECADES.
04:20:19PM NOT BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK.
04:20:20PM THE RIVERWALK, IN FACT, COST THEM MORE.
04:20:24PM ON THE AER TOWER WE HAD TO PUT IN CRA MONEY.
04:20:30PM STRAZ CENTER AND THE TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART PUTS IN MORE.
04:20:34PM A GREAT AMENITY BUT DID NOT GENERATE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND
04:20:38PM WE SHOULD NOT SAY THAT.
04:20:39PM IF SOMEBODY'S ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY SAYS THAT, IT IS FALSE
04:20:43PM AND I AM HOPE TO LOOK AT THAT AND TELL WHY.
04:20:48PM THE NOT JUST THE CAPITAL.
04:20:52PM TOILET TO TAP.
04:20:53PM BACK OF THE NAPKIN SAYS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 MILLION TO 100
04:20:57PM MILLION.
04:20:57PM TAKE $28 MACHINE AND BOND IT IN TODAY'S RATES BETWEEN 25 AND
04:21:02PM 28 MILLION IN INTEREST.
04:21:03PM WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED O&M AND OVERAVERAGE, HANNA AVENUE AND
04:21:10PM FAIR OAKS THAT GO OVER BUDGET YOU ADD ALL OF THAT IN CLOSE
04:21:17PM TO $100 MILLION.
04:21:18PM NOT $50 MILLION, BUT MORE HIKE A $100 MILLION.
04:21:24PM THIS IS NOT WEST TAMPA.
04:21:25PM IT IS TOUCHING WEST TAMPA.
04:21:27PM TEN YEARS AGO LOOK AT THE PLAN.
04:21:31PM THE RIVER WAS THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN NOT THE WESTERN BORDER.
04:21:35PM THIS IS A DOWNTOWN PROJECT.
04:21:36PM ALWAYS CONCEIVED AS A DOWNTOWN PROJECT.
04:21:38PM MAYBE WE ARE CHANGING IT, BUT THE PEOPLE I TALK TO IN
04:21:41PM DOWNTOWN TAMPA SEE IT AS A DOWNTOWN PROJECT NOT IN TAMPA.
04:21:47PM IF THEY HAVE A CHOICE, THINK WOULD TRY OTHER THING SIDEWALKS
04:21:50PM FIXED.
04:21:51PM THEY SEE THIS AS BEING A VALUE BUT THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY
04:21:54PM FIXED THE OTHER THICK IS WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE OF
04:22:00PM WHAT THE TOTAL BONDING.
04:22:01PM SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
04:22:03PM I GUESS WE ARE UP TO AROUND 70%.
04:22:05PM ONE FOR ENTERPRISE AND ONE FOR GENERAL FUND, AND WE HAVE TO
04:22:10PM BE WAY UP THERE BY NOW.
04:22:11PM REGARDING THE CRA, THE FOLKS I TALKED TO AROUND THE CAC ARE
04:22:15PM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
04:22:16PM THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING PRESSURED BY THE
04:22:18PM ADMINISTRATION.
04:22:18PM I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH FOLKS TO
04:22:23PM SEE IF THEY WANT IT OR NOT.
04:22:24PM WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS.
04:22:26PM FOLKS ARE NOT ALONG THE RIVERFRONT WANT OTHER THINGS AND
04:22:31PM THEY DESPERATELY -- NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON MAIN
04:22:36PM STREET.
04:22:36PM NONE OF THAT HAPPENED.
04:22:37PM THROUGH THE CRA, PROPOSED A RIVERWALK EXTENSION FROM THE
04:22:42PM AQUARIUM NORTH TO ADAMO, NONE OF THAT HAPPENED.
04:22:47PM WHY A PRIORITY COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
04:22:49PM LASTLY, WE HEARD THAT TPD NEEDS 30 POSITIONS AND 30 IN DROP
04:22:55PM AND NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY.
04:22:56PM FOR PAVING, NEED $42 MILLION A YEAR.
04:23:00PM SIDEWALKS, $1.3 BILLION.
04:23:02PM FOR SEAWALLS, $20 MILLION.
04:23:04PM FOR BRIDGES, WE NEED $32 MILLION.
04:23:06PM THAT IS JUST THE START.
04:23:07PM WHY ARE WE INVESTING IN SOMETHING NEW WHEN WE CAN'T AFFORD
04:23:10PM TO FIX THE THINGS WE HAVE.
04:23:11PM THE FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY WANT THE BASICS, SIDEWALKS AND
04:23:15PM THEIR ROADS REPAIRED.
04:23:16PM THIS MONEY IS NOT CRA MONEY.
04:23:19PM THEY CAN BE USED FOR THAT.
04:23:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA --
04:23:23PM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I PROVIDE A QUICK RESPONSE.
04:23:26PM THOSE ARE FAIR POINTS.
04:23:27PM I THINK TO THE QUESTION OF WHY DO WE FOCUS ON THIS PROJECT
04:23:33PM AND NOT OTHERS?
04:23:33PM I WOULD SAY WE FOCUS ON ALL OF THOSE NEEDS.
04:23:38PM AND WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED, WE HAVE JUST STARTED
04:23:42PM DOING WORK TOWARD THE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME.
04:23:46PM JUST ADOPTED VISION ZERO AS WELL.
04:23:49PM ALL OF THOSE NEEDS INCLUDING MAINTENANCE WAS CONSIDERED.
04:23:53PM NOT AN EITHER-OR AS MUCH AS THE CITY.
04:23:57PM WE REALLY NEED A LOT OF THINGS AND SOME CATCHING UP TO DO
04:24:02PM AND INVESTING TO DO AS WELL FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE
04:24:05PM STANDPOINT.
04:24:06PM I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
04:24:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. ROGER.
04:24:12PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DIDN'T KNOW IF NOW WAS A GOOD TIME, BUT I
04:24:15PM HAVE ANSWERS REGARDING COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S QUESTIONS.
04:24:18PM I CAN DO THAT LATER OR DO THAT NOW AT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
04:24:22PM I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT ANYTHING.
04:24:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS.
04:24:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION TO HIM ABOUT
04:24:30PM -- I HAVE A QUESTION --
04:24:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.
04:24:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T WANT TO WAIT.
04:24:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
04:24:40PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:24:41PM AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:24:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MIRANDA.
04:24:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY --
04:24:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MEAN SO I GUESS MR. ROGERO WILL HAVE TO
04:24:52PM TAKE SOME NOTES.
04:24:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I CAN DO THAT.
04:24:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FIRST QUESTION FOR VIK, DID YOU ASK THE FEDS
04:24:59PM OF GETTING MORE MONEY OR CHANGE THE SCOPE ONCE YOU
04:25:03PM UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AS SOON AS.
04:25:05PM >>VIK BHIDE: YES.
04:25:06PM AND PER THE GUIDELINES OF THE GRANT ITSELF, WE CAN NOT
04:25:10PM CHANGE THE SCOPE.
04:25:11PM AND PER THE GUIDELINES OF THE GRANT ITSELF, WE CAN NOT ASK
04:25:15PM FOR ANY MORE MONIES UNDER THE CURRENT GRANT AGREEMENTS.
04:25:19PM WHICH IS ANY SPECIFIED THAT THERE IS A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDS
04:25:23PM OUT THERE AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AS WELL, SO WE
04:25:26PM WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON -- ON GETTING EXTERNAL FUNDING TO
04:25:31PM AUGMENT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
04:25:33PM BUT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE IN TERMS OF THIS CONTRACT BEING
04:25:41PM ABLE TO HONOR THE COSTS THAT EXIST.
04:25:44PM THOSE COSTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY.
04:25:45PM BECAUSE THIS CONTRACTOR DOES HAVE CONSULTANTS AND
04:25:50PM SUBCONTRACTORS ON STANDBY THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DO THIS
04:25:54PM WORK.
04:25:54PM IF THAT WORK DOES NOT COMMENCE SOON, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO
04:25:59PM HOLD ON TO THEM AND BACK TO SQUARE ONE LIKE WE WERE WITH THE
04:26:03PM AMENDMENT ONE ISSUE WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT ITEM, 79.
04:26:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU HAVE KNOWN THIS FOR
04:26:08PM SEVERAL MONTHS.
04:26:09PM WHY HAVEN'T YOU STARTED LOOKING FOR EXTRA FUNDING SOURCES IN
04:26:13PM THAT TIME.
04:26:13PM WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT BEFORE.
04:26:16PM >>VIK BHIDE: SO WE HAVE.
04:26:17PM WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY
04:26:20PM ADVERTISED, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY WORKING THROUGH -- FOR
04:26:26PM EXAMPLE, WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
04:26:31PM PART OF THE REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
04:26:33PM IT IS WELL WITHIN THE AREA AND THE ACTION AS WELL.
04:26:37PM WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE STATE ON THIS AS WELL.
04:26:41PM BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FEDERAL GRANTS
04:26:46PM RIGHT NOW AND WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND FEDERAL
04:26:51PM FUNDING IS CONNECTED.
04:26:52PM SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS NOT HAVING TO -- FOR THE LACK OF A
04:26:58PM BETTER WORD -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP JULY
04:27:01PM 18 NOT HAVING TO RETURN FEDERAL FUNDS RATHER TO LOOK AND
04:27:06PM AUGMENT WHAT FUNDS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
04:27:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ADDITIONALLY, I WENT AHEAD AND LOOKED AT
04:27:14PM THE RFP.
04:27:15PM AND THERE IS A BUNCH OF STUFF.
04:27:16PM SEE WHEN I -- IF THIS WAS MY HOUSE AND I KNEW I HAD $100,000
04:27:25PM MONEY FROM MY LAST HOUSE TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE.
04:27:28PM INSTEAD OF THIS $50 MILLION -- IF I HAD $100,000 AND PLANNED
04:27:33PM TO PUT $50,000 INTO IT.
04:27:35PM AND THIS IS $100,000 MORE.
04:27:37PM I AM GOING TO HAVE TO START TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AND SAY I
04:27:40PM HAVE GOT TO TAKE THIS OFF AND THIS OFF.
04:27:42PM LOOKING AT THE RFP.
04:27:45PM ACCELERATED SCHEDULE EIGHT MONTH OUT.
04:27:48PM WE DON'T NEED TO ACCELERATE.
04:27:50PM ART ON THE BLOCK.
04:27:51PM WE CAN TAKE ART OUT AND ADD IT BACK WHEN WE HAVE MONEY.
04:27:54PM WE CAN TAKE OUT THE RIVERWALK PUBLIC MOMENT.
04:27:57PM WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC MOMENTS JUST LIKE SPOTS THAT WILL JUST
04:28:03PM COST US MONEY.
04:28:04PM A THREE-SIDED PILE SUPPORTED PEDESTRIAN OVERLOOK.
04:28:09PM WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT RIGHT NOW.
04:28:10PM NONE OF THAT IS PART OF THE GRANT.
04:28:12PM THAT IS KIND OF AN ADDITION.
04:28:15PM AN INTERACTIVE EDUCATIONAL ITEM THAT GOES ON WITH THE LIVING
04:28:19PM SHORELINES.
04:28:20PM A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT FOR NOW AND ADD
04:28:24PM BACK WHEN WE HAVE MONEY THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF
04:28:27PM WORK AS I READ THE SCOPE OF WORK.
04:28:29PM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
04:28:30PM SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU MENTIONED -- AND I DON'T HAVE
04:28:34PM THE DETAILS ON ALL OF THEM -- BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT
04:28:38PM MANDATORY ELEMENTS.
04:28:39PM THOSE ARE OPTIONAL ELEMENTS.
04:28:41PM AND SO THEY ARE LIKELY OFF THE TABLE ALREADY SO FOR EXAMPLE,
04:28:48PM THE VIEWING AREA THAT WAS PART OF ONE OF THE RENDERINGS THAT
04:28:54PM WAS RIGHT BY PLATT AND BAYSHORE AND NORTH OF IT, THAT WILL
04:28:58PM NOT HAPPEN.
04:29:02PM ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU LIST READY MOST LIKELY NOT
04:29:06PM GOING TO HAPPEN AND WILL TAKE AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH WITH
04:29:09PM THAT.
04:29:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE ISSUE GIVEN US THE SCOPE OF WORK
04:29:15PM AND GIVEN US THE RFP.
04:29:16PM NOW YOU ARE SAYING SOME OF THIS WON'T HAPPEN.
04:29:18PM SO IT IS REALLY HARD TO APPROVE A CONTRACT THAT WE ARE NOT
04:29:21PM SURE OF WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN -- SORRY, I HAVE
04:29:25PM BEEN ASKING A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND I HAVEN'T REALLY SPOKEN
04:29:28PM A BUNCH.
04:29:28PM I HAVE BEEN GETTING ANSWERS.
04:29:31PM SO YOU SEE MY CONCERN?
04:29:33PM >>VIK BHIDE: YES.
04:29:34PM I SEE YOUR CONCERN.
04:29:35PM BUT I WILL JUST REITERATE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT THE
04:29:38PM CONTRACTOR HAD PRESENTED.
04:29:42PM WE WERE UP AGAINST IT AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT WHEN
04:29:45PM WE WERE DOING FINAL SELECTION FOR HAS KELL AND VERSUS PCL.
04:29:50PM IT WAS IN THIS CHAMBER ITSELF.
04:29:54PM THE CONTRACTOR ALSO QUESTIONED.
04:29:56PM A SPECIFIC QUESTION, SHOWING THIS, THIS AND THIS.
04:29:59PM ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THIS?
04:30:01PM AND OPTIONAL ITEMS BEYOND THE MINIMUM SCOPE.
04:30:05PM THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE BUT NO PATHWAY FOR THEM.
04:30:09PM YOU ARE TAKE THAT THE 57 MILLION IS THE MINIMUM SCOPE?
04:30:14PM >> CORRECT.
04:30:14PM >> NO ADDITION, MINIMUM SCOPE.
04:30:17PM >>VIK BHIDE: WE HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF FRILLS OUT.
04:30:19PM SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UNLIKE THE EXISTING RIVERWALK ADJACENT TO
04:30:24PM DOWNTOWN, THE WEST RIVER WALK WILL BASICALLY FROM A CONCRETE
04:30:31PM SERVICE.
04:30:31PM A WIDE SIDEWALK.
04:30:33PM HAS ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL SECURE ELEMENTS RELATIVE TO THE
04:30:38PM MARINE OVER LAND AND WATER AND STREET THINGS AS WELL.
04:30:41PM AND THERE AREN'T ANY THRILLS.
04:30:46PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS ONE.
04:30:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO GO TO MR. ROGERO.
04:30:53PM IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS 41% THAT WE HAVE -- THAT WE
04:30:57PM HAVE BONDED.
04:30:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
04:31:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY OF THAT.
04:31:03PM WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY CAPACITY TO THAT.
04:31:05PM WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANYTHING TO THAT IN TERMS OF -- WE -- THE
04:31:10PM ONLY WING WE ADDED WAS THE EAST TAMPA REC CENTER AND HAVEN'T
04:31:14PM ACTUALLY GONE OUT FOR BONDING ON THAT YET.
04:31:17PM AM I CORRECT?
04:31:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE CORRECT.
04:31:19PM AND IF I COULD -- HAVE THE ELMO UP.
04:31:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
04:31:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: 41% THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING.
04:31:28PM WE HAVE ADDED DEBT SINCE THEN FURTHER TO COUNCILMAN
04:31:33PM CARLSON'S STATEMENT.
04:31:34PM JUST LAST MONTH, EARLIER THIS MONTH, $1 20 MILLION FOR THE
04:31:39PM SOLID WASTE FACILITY IS IMPACTING OUR CAPACITY WHILE WE WAIT
04:31:45PM TO ROLL THAT INTO A BOND IN A FEW YEARS.
04:31:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
04:31:49PM WE HAVE TO HOLD ON TOP THAT DEBT.
04:31:51PM ONCE WE ROLL IT INTO A BOND, THAT IS THEIR DEBT?
04:31:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
04:31:55PM YES, MA'AM.
04:31:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOW THE COST -- THE COST OF THE EAST
04:32:01PM TAMPA REC CENTER THAT WE PLAN ON BONDING IS ABOUT $40
04:32:03PM MILLION, CORRECT?
04:32:06PM >> 36,000 -- TO ROUND, 40 IS CLOSE ENOUGH.
04:32:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE ARE BONDING 40 MILLION OF THAT, HOW
04:32:14PM MUCH WILL WE HAVE TO PAY TO BORROW THAT MONEY?
04:32:20PM WHAT IS THE INTEREST?
04:32:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: RIGHT NOW INTEREST IS NEARLY --
04:32:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OVER THE COST OF IT.
04:32:26PM HOW MUCH TOTAL.
04:32:28PM $40D MILLION.
04:32:29PM WE ARE BASICALLY PAYING ANOTHER $40 MILLION.
04:32:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AT LEAST 35 BASED ON ESTIMATES SO FAR.
04:32:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 35 MILLION.
04:32:40PM FOR THIS PROJECT WE ARE LOOKING AT 26.8.
04:32:44PM LET'S SAY 27 MILLION BONDING.
04:32:48PM WHEN LOOKING AT THE COST OF THAT OVER 30 YEARS, WE ARE
04:32:52PM LOOKING AT ABOUT DOUBLE THAT.
04:32:54PM 307 OR 40 -- 54 MILLION.
04:32:59PM >> IF I CAN PAY ATTENTION TO THE ELMO, ON THE SLIDE FOR
04:33:04PM THAT.
04:33:04PM FOR YOU AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:33:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
04:33:08PM $22 MILLION.
04:33:10PM WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THE POLICE FOR REN SIX BUILDING GONE
04:33:14PM FROM ADDS 5 MILLION TO A $40 MILLION SFLOJ.
04:33:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
04:33:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE WILL BE BONDING THAT $40
04:33:21PM MILLION IF WE APPROVE THAT PROJECT.
04:33:23PM SO $40 MILLION FOR THAT GOING BACK ON THE EAST TAMPA REC
04:33:30PM CENTER SAME $40 MILLION MEANS $35 MILLION IN INTEREST.
04:33:34PM ADDING ALL THIS TOGETHER, WE ARE TALKING $29 MILLION OF
04:33:39PM INTEREST WITH 107 MILLION OF BONDING FOR A TOTAL OF 199
04:33:44PM MILLION DOLLARS?
04:33:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD LIKE TO REFINE THOSE NUMBERS BUT
04:33:48PM PHILOSOPHICALLY, YOU ARE CORRECT.
04:33:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AS MUCH AS I WANT THIS, AND I AM THE FIRST
04:33:54PM WESTERN TO SUPPORT MOBILITY, WE CANNOT AFFORD IT.
04:33:57PM AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND -- BECAUSE THIS PROBABLY WILL PASS --
04:34:01PM THAT IN NEXT MONTH, YOU DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO FIND
04:34:05PM FUNDING.
04:34:06PM I WAS INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I ASKED DURING OUR PREP
04:34:12PM MEET GOING YOU HAD LOOKED -- IF YOU HAD TALKED TO ANYBODY IN
04:34:15PM THE CRA, AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF
04:34:18PM THAT YET.
04:34:19PM AND WHICH TELLS ME YOU AREN'T LOOKING FOR FUNDING.
04:34:22PM AND YOU ARE EXPECTING US TO GO AHEAD AND BOND THIS.
04:34:26PM AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT.
04:34:29PM >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT.
04:34:31PM I HAD CONVERSATIONS OF THE WEST RIVER WALK WITH ELISE AND
04:34:36PM ERICA, THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY OF CRA.
04:34:41PM STANDING FOR THE CRA DIRECTOR.
04:34:47PM PARTS OF A FUNDING REQUEST.
04:34:52PM THE PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR A FEW PROJECTS LIKE THE WEST AND
04:34:56PM ALL THAT AND THE RECONNECTING AS WELL.
04:34:59PM BECAUSE -- THAT IS IN COST.
04:35:03PM AND I DON'T THINK IT IS ACCURATE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT
04:35:10PM THOUGHT OF AUGMENTING FUNDING.
04:35:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT TO THE CRA YET.
04:35:18PM >>VIK BHIDE: AND THE PROCESS FOR THAT MY UNDERSTAND
04:35:21PM SOMETHING THE WAY I HAVE BEEN DIRECTED WE DISCUSS WITH STAFF
04:35:28PM WE BRING AND MEMO WITH STAFF AND THE MEMO REQUESTING $10
04:35:32PM MILLION.
04:35:33PM WE DID NOT COORDINATE THIS GO TO THE CAC FOR DISCUSSION AND
04:35:42PM GOES BACK TO THE CRA BOARD.
04:35:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING AND THAT WAS NOT
04:35:47PM CLEAR DURING OUR MEETING.
04:35:49PM >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS ON ME.
04:35:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
04:35:52PM THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHERE THAT $10 MILLION COMES FROM.
04:35:55PM SO, THANK YOU.
04:35:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU JUST CAME UP WITH THAT.
04:36:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY 5-3-2.
04:36:06PM I SPOKE WITH PEOPLE FROM THE ACA AND TO FIND HOW MUCH WILL
04:36:10PM BE AVAILABLE AND A REASONABLE ACT WITH THE PERCENTAGE.
04:36:13PM FIVE ON THE FRONT IF THEY ARE SITTING ON THE MONEY AND
04:36:16PM STAGGER FOR THREE AND TWO FOR STAGGERED SPENDING.
04:36:19PM I AM JUST AS CONCERNED AS YOU ARE ABOUT THE BONDING SORRY,
04:36:27PM NOT MY TURN.
04:36:28PM I AM SHUTTING UP NOW.
04:36:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND VIERA.
04:36:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK WE SHOULD LET COUNCILMAN
04:36:39PM CLENDENIN FINISH SINCE HE STARTED.
04:36:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY, I AM GOOD.
04:36:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK YOU SHOULD FINISH.
04:36:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
04:36:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
04:36:48PM I JUST WANT TO ASK SOME BASIC QUESTIONS FOR THE LISTENING
04:36:53PM AUDIENCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW BONDING 101.
04:37:00PM I KNOW FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE HOLD,
04:37:09PM WHEN YOU PURCHASE A HOUSE WITH INTEREST OVER A PER OF TIME,
04:37:13PM YOU ARE ALMOST GOING TO PAY DOUBLE FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR THE
04:37:15PM HOUSE IN GENERAL.
04:37:16PM WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT?
04:37:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WITH THE CAVEAT DEPENDING ON THE INTEREST.
04:37:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAVEAT DEPENDING ON THE INTEREST.
04:37:26PM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS BASICALLY BOND IN A SENSE.
04:37:29PM WHEN YOU ARE BORROWING THAT MONEY, YOU WILL END UP PAYING,
04:37:33PM YOU KNOW, JUST AS MUCH OR DOUBLING IT UP ONCE IT IS AT THE
04:37:37PM END OF THE TERM.
04:37:39PM IN OUR POSITION AS IS CITY, IF WE DID NOT BOND AT ALL AND WE
04:37:42PM HAVE NO MILLAGE INCREASE, HOW DO WE PAY FOR THINGS?
04:37:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: HOW DO YOU PAY FOR --
04:37:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYTHING.
04:37:51PM CAN WE DO ANYTHING NEW IF WE TAKE AWAY BONDING FOR PROJECTS.
04:38:00PM YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
04:38:01PM WE DON'T HAVE A MILLAGE INCREASE.
04:38:03PM WE DON'T BAND PROJECTS.
04:38:04PM HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THEM.
04:38:06PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF YOUR
04:38:09PM QUESTION AND I MAY HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE AND WORTH
04:38:12PM REITERATING.
04:38:13PM FINANCING OR DEBT ISSUANCE IS ONE OF THE ARROWS IN OUR
04:38:18PM QUIVERS.
04:38:18PM ONE OF OUR FUNDING MECHANISM.
04:38:21PM THE SIMPLE IS PAY GO.
04:38:24PM PAY AS YOU GO.
04:38:25PM RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
04:38:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: RIGHT.
04:38:27PM WE HAVE MONEY IN OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, BUT IF WE USE IT, WE
04:38:31PM LOSE OUR BOND RATING.
04:38:32PM WE LOSE OUR GOOD RATING FOR THE MONEY WE SAVED IN
04:38:37PM OUR COFFERS FOR RAINY DAYS.
04:38:39PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
04:38:40PM THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS
04:38:43PM TIME.
04:38:47PM THINGS WILL CHANGE.
04:38:48PM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX IS ONE OF THOSE X FACTORS.
04:38:53PM THE SERVICE FOR THE DELTA, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST OF
04:38:56PM THIS.
04:38:56PM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE OWN REALISTIC SOLUTION IF COUNCIL
04:39:00PM WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN
04:39:03PM SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR THE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO
04:39:10PM YOU IS FINANCING AND THE PRESUMPTION WE TONIGHT WANT TO TAKE
04:39:13PM $28 MILLION FROM OUR FUND BALANCE AND ADVERSE IMPACTS
04:39:17PM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
04:39:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
04:39:19PM WE DID APPROVE -- PRIOR TO THE NEW COUNCILMEMBERS, APPROVAL
04:39:22PM OF, WHAT, 24 MILLION?
04:39:25PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
04:39:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO THE NEXT PART IS THIS.
04:39:32PM IF THESE OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT LOOK AT OUR FINANCES AS A
04:39:37PM CITY RATE US AS OUTSTANDING -- YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING WITH
04:39:41PM THIS VIK?
04:39:44PM WE HAVE ALL OF THESE ACCOLADES FROM OUTSIDE INSTITUTIONS,
04:39:48PM FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT'S EVALUATE THE FINANCES OF THE
04:39:51PM CITY WITH BONDING THAT WE ACTUALLY DO AND THINGS THAT WE
04:39:54PM APPROVE WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH BONDING THIS PARTICULAR
04:40:02PM PROJECT.
04:40:02PM HERE IS THE QUESTION -- AND FOLLOW-UP BEHIND THAT.
04:40:05PM HAVE WE BONDED TOO MUCH?
04:40:08PM WILL THAT HE -- WILL WE BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE LOSE OUR
04:40:13PM RATING BECAUSE OVERCAPACITY IN BONDING OF THESE OUTSIDE
04:40:16PM ORGANIZATION THAT'S EVALUATE US?
04:40:20PM WILL WE BE PUTTING OURSELVES JEOPARDY?
04:40:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DON'T THINK WE WOULD.
04:40:25PM AND IF I CAN DIRECT TO THE ELMO.
04:40:28PM I NEED VISUALS --
04:40:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ME TOO.
04:40:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW MINUTES
04:40:34PM AGO.
04:40:34PM 41%.
04:40:35PM 533 MILLION OUR PONDING CAPACITY AT 1.3 BILLION.
04:40:42PM THINGS HAVE CHANGED SOMEWHAT.
04:40:45PM HALF A YEAR AGO.
04:40:46PM WE HAVE ADDED AS I MENTIONED $1 20 MILLION.
04:40:48PM THAT HAS EATEN INTO PART OF THE CAPACITY.
04:40:51PM OUR ESTIMATED EMPLOYEE PORTION NOW OVER CAPACITY IS ABOUT
04:40:56PM 50%.
04:40:56PM AND WE REFINE THOSE NUMBERS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO CLARIFY
04:41:05PM NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO ISSUE DEBT.
04:41:08PM WE WILL BE ASKING COUNCIL TO ISSUE DEBT JULY 18.
04:41:12PM IF WE COME TO COUNCIL, WE WILL HAVE THE WHOLE ROAD SHOW AS
04:41:16PM WE ALWAYS DO AND HAVE DEFINED CAPACITY FIGURES FOR YOU, FOR
04:41:20PM EXAMPLE.
04:41:20PM SO ABOUT 50% CAPACITY.
04:41:23PM I THINK COUNCIL WILL SORRY, I WILL DO THE MATH, $600 MILLION
04:41:34PM CAPACITY.
04:41:34PM 600 MILLION MORE OF BONDING CAPACITY.
04:41:38PM THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
04:41:39PM WE DO NOT FEEL IT WILL ADVERSARY AFFECT OUR RATINGS.
04:41:45PM AT THE SAME TIME, ONE CAVEAT, WE ARE IN -- AND I THINK
04:41:48PM COUNCIL KNOW THIS.
04:41:49PM AND I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO BE THANKFUL AND CONGRATULATE
04:41:53PM EVERYONE FOR OUR OUTSTANDING CREDIT RATINGS NOT ALL
04:42:00PM LOCALITIES HAVE THAT, OF COURSE.
04:42:02PM AND SOME FROM NO CAPACITY.
04:42:04PM WE WOULD NEVER COME TO COUNCIL AND RECOMMEND FINANCING,
04:42:09PM HOWEVER, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS CAPACITY.
04:42:10PM I WOULD SUBMIT TO COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC, IT IS NOT A
04:42:14PM CAPACITY ISSUE SO MUCH AS HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND
04:42:17PM ISSUE WHEN DO YOU WANT TO SPEND IT IN MY OPINION LEADS TO A
04:42:26PM PRIORITY ISSUE.
04:42:27PM WHEN WOULD THEY WANT TO DO IT.
04:42:29PM WHAT WOULD THEY WANT TO DO FIRST AND HOW FAST DO THEY WANT
04:42:32PM TO DO IT.
04:42:32PM I KNOW THAT IS A LONG WAY TO ANSWER.
04:42:34PM AND I WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE THE ANSWER IN THE CONTEXT, BUT
04:42:38PM THE SHORT ANSWER IS, NO, WE DON'T FEEL IT WILL ADVERSE
04:42:41PM AFFECT OUR RATING.
04:42:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:42:44PM AND I HAVE SEEN YOU COME BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES BEING
04:42:47PM RECOGNIZED BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF CITY'S COFFERS.
04:42:54PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ROUND OUT WITH THIS THOUGHT.
04:42:56PM AND I EXPECT SOME SORT OF COMMENT AFTERWARDS.
04:42:59PM AS A CITY, WE ADDRESS THE PRETTY STUFF THAT WE NEED AND THE
04:43:08PM GREAT NEEDS OF THE CITY.
04:43:09PM SPEND MONEY TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MADE
04:43:14PM COMMITMENT TO THAT.
04:43:15PM WE ALSO -- AS WE LOOK FORWARD TOMORROW IN TAMPA'S TOMORROW
04:43:19PM AND OUR FUTURE, WE HAVE TO DO THE THINGS THAT IMPROVE OUR
04:43:23PM CITY HOLISTICALLY, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS.
04:43:28PM THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF, $56 MILLION,
04:43:32PM BENEFITS A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST ONE, YOU KNOW,
04:43:36PM LOCATION IN WEST TAMPA IS THEIR TURN.
04:43:39PM THEY -- THEY PUT IN A LOT OF WORK WITH THE ROME YARD COMING
04:43:49PM AND ALL THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THAT AREA
04:43:52PM AND GOING ALL THE WAY TO COLUMBUS DRIVE.
04:43:54PM I THINK WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT AS A CITY, YOUR TAKE
04:43:58PM ON IT.
04:43:59PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT MOBILITY AND OUR FINANCES AND EVERYTHING WE
04:44:03PM ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, IT -- IT IS VERY DIVERSE.
04:44:06PM WE SPEND MONEY ON THE SIDEWALKS.
04:44:08PM WE SPEND MONEY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
04:44:10PM WE SPREAD THE WEALTH.
04:44:12PM WE CAN'T BARB PEOPLE CAME BEFORE US TODAY AND STAYED, YOU
04:44:15PM KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS.
04:44:17PM AND I AM JUST MAKING THIS APPEAL TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND
04:44:20PM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING IN
04:44:24PM ORDER TO KEEP OUR CITY MOVING FORWARD.
04:44:27PM I CAN SEE WHY SOMEONE WOULD SAY THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY,
04:44:30PM BUT I CAN CONTEND SOME PEOPLE SAY WE PUT TOO MUCH MONEY IN
04:44:39PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MOBILITY AND OUR STREETS.
04:44:41PM PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE OUR BIKE LANES.
04:44:46PM IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS CITY, THAT IS WHERE WE
04:44:49PM MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS IN ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTITIES.
04:44:52PM IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT OR NOT, YOU CAN, VIK, BECAUSE
04:44:56PM I AM SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC WHO GOES BACK TO LISTEN RIGHT
04:45:00PM NOW OR TOMORROW WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO LISTEN.
04:45:04PM >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY.
04:45:05PM I THINK YOU MADE A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT, COUNCILWOMAN, AND
04:45:08PM THAT IS A VERY DELIBERATE STRATEGY OF PAIRING INFRASTRUCTURE
04:45:17PM WITH HOUSING OR INFRASTRUCTURE WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
04:45:21PM WE HAVE CHALLENGES BOTH WITH HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION.
04:45:25PM AND WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABLE WITH TRANSPORTATION A
04:45:33PM LOT TRANSPORTATION IS NOT FAR BEHIND.
04:45:35PM A QUARTER -- ALMOST A QUARTER OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME'S
04:45:39PM BUDGET.
04:45:39PM AND THE ONLY THING THAT BRINGS DOWN TRANSPORTATION COSTS
04:45:42PM THAT WE KNOW OF AS A PRACTICE IS REDUCING HOW FAR YOU TRAVEL
04:45:48PM TO REDUCING THAT VRT AND TAKING MODES THAT ARE INHERENTLY
04:45:54PM CHEAPER, BIKING, WALKING AND TRANSIT ARE MUCH CHEAPER THAN
04:46:03PM CAR INSURANCE, REPAIRS, PARKING AND GAS INCREASED RELATIVE
04:46:06PM TO INFLATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS.
04:46:08PM THE AVERAGE CAR PAYMENT TODAY IS ABOUT $700.
04:46:11PM THERE ARE SOME DOWNWARD PRESSURES FROM THE INDUSTRY BUT THEY
04:46:19PM NEVER COME BACK DOWN TO WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
04:46:22PM THIS IS A VERY DELIBERATE STRATEGY ACROSS THE NATION RIGHT
04:46:30PM NOW OF PAIRING DENSITY WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OR
04:46:32PM TRANSIT.
04:46:32PM AND WE DO THAT WITH DOD AND TRANSIT.
04:46:37PM THIS IS THE SAME, ROME YARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WEST RIVER.
04:46:41PM ACTIVATION OF THE RIVERWALK WHICH IS AN EQUITY THING.
04:46:45PM ALL OF WEST TAMPA WILL NOW BE CONNECTED CAR-FREE WITH MANY
04:46:49PM MORE NEIGHBORHOODS THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST THANK YOU
04:46:56PM FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
04:46:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT ON A FINANCIAL
04:47:01PM PERSPECTIVE, MR. ROGERO.
04:47:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: ABSOLUTELY.
04:47:04PM SOME OF THOSE PAINTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
04:47:07PM RISK IN PAY AS YOU GO WITH INFLATION PLEASE BHIDE SAID.
04:47:14PM OTHER RESOURCES OTHER THAN FUNDING THAT MAY BE AT RISK BY
04:47:18PM POSTPONING OR, IF YOU WILL, WAITING TO SAVE UP THE MONEY.
04:47:23PM CONTRACTOR AND SUBCONTRACTORS MA MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE TO DO
04:47:27PM IT.
04:47:27PM GOES BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT, HOW FAST WOULD YOU LIKE DO
04:47:32PM IT.
04:47:32PM YOU CAN -- LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE.
04:47:41PM IF YOU ARE A LARGE CITY -- I THINK WE ARE.
04:47:44PM 40th LARGEST CITY IN THE U.S. AND YOU WANT TO DO BIG THINGS.
04:47:48PM INVEST SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS IN THE CITY, AND YOU WANT TO DO
04:47:53PM IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THE BEST PRACTICES IS FINANCING
04:47:58PM THE PROJECT COMPLETE FINANCING OR AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID
04:48:02PM MANY TIMES WHETHER A COMBINATION OF CASH AND FINANCING LIKE
04:48:05PM OUR PIPES PROGRAM MR. BHIDE HAS SAID AND PURSUE OTHER
04:48:14PM FUNDING SOURCES.
04:48:15PM CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR ANOTHER
04:48:21PM $3 MILLION OR $4 MILLION.
04:48:23PM AND OTHER GRANTS.
04:48:24PM BUT AT THE HEART OF IT, THOUGH, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT
04:48:28PM PROJECT.
04:48:30PM OVER $60 MILLION.
04:48:32PM IN ORDER TO SAVE UP THAT $27 MILLION, $28 MILLION, PRESUMING
04:48:37PM COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR DON'T WANT TO CUT $27 MILLION OR $28
04:48:42PM MILLION FROM THE EXISTING GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO SAVE UP
04:48:47PM THAT FUNDING, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND COSTS ARE
04:48:50PM ANTICIPATED TO ESCALATE.
04:48:52PM NOT TO MENTION THE PROJECT WON'T REACH FRUITION IN THE
04:49:00PM TIMELINE WE WOULD LIKE.
04:49:01PM I HOPE THAT WASN'T TOO LONG-WINDED.
04:49:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
04:49:04PM I THINK MY TIME IS UP.
04:49:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:49:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
04:49:09PM YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE.
04:49:11PM I ALWAYS SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BLACK AND
04:49:14PM WHITE AND A LOT OF THIS I THINK SO THAT ARE GRAY.
04:49:16PM THIS IS ONE WHERE THERE IS SOME GRAY.
04:49:19PM PEOPLE UP HERE IN COUNCIL WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
04:49:23PM VERY LEGITIMATE POINTS AND THINGS THAT ULTIMATELY BENEFIT
04:49:29PM YOU, THERE IS GRAY.
04:49:30PM IN THIS, IT IS EASY TO FIND GRAY.
04:49:32PM IT IS NOT LIKE YOU GO STRETCH, ETC.
04:49:35PM I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS AND I WILL BE TALKING VERY, VERY
04:49:38PM BRIEFLY WHY.
04:49:38PM THERE WAS BIG PROJECTS IN THE PAST I HAVE THAT VOTED YES ON
04:49:43PM THAT MAYBE I GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED A
04:49:47PM LITTLE FURTHER AND I THINK WE ALL FEEL THAT IN CITY COUNCIL.
04:49:49PM BIG PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT I VOTED NO ON, AND I HAVE DONE
04:49:53PM IT FOR THOSE REASONS BECAUSE I THINK THE GRAY IN THE
04:49:56PM PROJECTS, HOWEVER GREAT THEY MAY BE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CRA,
04:50:00PM THE NEGATIVE OUTWEIGHS THE POSITIVE.
04:50:02PM EVERYBODY HERE ACKNOWLEDGES THE POSITIVE.
04:50:04PM THE BASIC FACT WITH THIS PROGRAM OR THE BUDGET EFFORT THAT
04:50:08PM THE 40% PREBONDING OF THE FUNDS ARE PAID FOR BY THE FEDERAL
04:50:12PM GOVERNMENT.
04:50:12PM AND IT APPEARS -- PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE DON'T
04:50:16PM USE IT, WE LOSE IT, RIGHT?
04:50:18PM >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT.
04:50:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS HUGE.
04:50:20PM THAT IS HUGE.
04:50:21PM THAT IS HUGE.
04:50:22PM IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE LOSE IT.
04:50:25PM IT HAPPENS ANOTHER $10 10 MILLION WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE
04:50:29PM CRA.
04:50:29PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S COMMENTS OF LOOKING FOR MORE FUNDS
04:50:35PM FROM THE CRA THAT WE CAN AND I APPLAUD THAT.
04:50:39PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENTS ON LOOKING TO SEE IF ANY OF
04:50:42PM THIS CAN BE SCALED BACK.
04:50:44PM IT APPEARS THAT SCRUTINY IS APPLIED TO THAT.
04:50:48PM A MAYBE THINGS WE CAN'T DO, BUT THAT IS THE RIGHT KIND OF
04:50:53PM ATTITUDE AS PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBILITY AS POSSIBLE.
04:50:56PM IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 60% OF THE PREBONDING TO BE
04:51:00PM PAID BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND CRA AND $24 MILLION
04:51:11PM COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IF YOU DON'T USE IT,
04:51:13PM YOU WILL BE LOSING IT.
04:51:15PM AND A GOOD DEAL FOR TAXPAYERS IN THAT SENSE.
04:51:18PM AND THE ABILITY TO BOND IS NOT -- UNFETTERED ABILITY FOR
04:51:26PM UNFETTERED RIGHT.
04:51:27PM IN CASES LIKE THIS, WHEN 60% IS COMING FROM CRA AND THE
04:51:31PM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE STILL HAVE A DUTY TO MITIGATE.
04:51:34PM I THINK WE DO.
04:51:35PM I THINK THAT A MOTION WOULD BE WELL TAKEN ON THIS MAYBE TO
04:51:38PM INQUIRE.
04:51:39PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING IS.
04:51:40PM IN SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, A YEAR ON WHAT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN
04:51:44PM MADE TO LOOK AT OTHER GRANTS, WHETHER IT IS STATE, FEDERAL,
04:51:47PM WHATEVER IT MAY BE, RIGHT TO MITIGATE THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE
04:51:50PM GOING TO BE BONDING.
04:51:51PM NOT -- NOT JUST THE SUCCESS THAT HAS BEEN HAD, IF ANY, BUT
04:51:56PM THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
04:51:57PM BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SOME OF THE CONCERNS ON THIS PROJECT
04:52:04PM CONCERN WE ALL SHARE AND WILL BE UNREASONABLE NOT TO SHARE
04:52:08PM THAT CONCERN AND LOOKING AT CRAS AND DOING MORE.
04:52:11PM IF WE SAY NO TO THIS, GIVING AWAY 24 MILLION.
04:52:14PM AND THAT MONEY IS GONE.
04:52:15PM BY THE WAY, WE ARE IN ELECTION YEAR.
04:52:18PM MO KNOW WHAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT
04:52:20PM YEAR?
04:52:21PM WHO KNOW WHAT IS IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
04:52:24PM THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE.
04:52:25PM THE RELATIONSHIP TO CITIES LIKE TAMPA WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT
04:52:29PM YEAR.
04:52:29PM GIVING AWAY THAT MONEY, IN MY OPINION, IS VERY, VERY
04:52:33PM MISGUIDED.
04:52:33PM IT KIND OF REMINDS ME WHEN WE WERE LIKING AT TAPPING
04:52:41PM CHANNELSIDE.
04:52:41PM WE SAID IF WE DO THAT, WE WOULD BE GIVING AWAY MONEY.
04:52:46PM WE SAID NOT WISE TO DO THAT BECAUSE GIVING AWAY A LOT OF
04:52:50PM MONEY FROM THE COUNTY.
04:52:51PM KIND OF CORRELATES A LITTLE BIT FROM THIS.
04:52:54PM IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, GIVING AWAY $24 MILLION.
04:52:58PM NOT A BLANK CHECK TO SPEND, SPEND, SPEND.
04:53:01PM NOT THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING THAT BUT A DUTY TO MITIGATE ON
04:53:05PM THE BONDING ISSUE.
04:53:06PM I THINK GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.
04:53:08PM WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS.
04:53:09PM AND LOOKING AT ACCOUNTABILITY ON WHAT EFFORTS ARE MADE TO
04:53:12PM GET MORE GRANTS AND I KNOW THAT WILL BE DONE AND TO SET OUR
04:53:18PM MINDS AT EASE.
04:53:19PM WE ALL WANT TO SUPPORT THIS.
04:53:21PM THIS IS A BIG WIN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:53:22PM A BIG WIN FOR WEST TAMPA.
04:53:24PM CLEARLY OUTSIDE OF MY DISTRICT, THE FOLKS I DIRECTLY
04:53:29PM REPRESENT, BUT WE ARE STEWARDS OF ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:53:31PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MOVES US FORWARD AS A CITY AND IN
04:53:34PM THAT REGARD.
04:53:35PM THERE IS NO GRAY IN THAT.
04:53:37PM GRAY COMES IN THE FINANCING OF IT.
04:53:39PM WITH THE 10 MILLION FROM THE CRA, $24 MILLION FROM THE
04:53:44PM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND POTENTIAL OF OTHER GRANTS, ETC., I
04:53:48PM THINK IT STRONGLY LEANS IN FAVOR OF SAYING YES AND THE DUTY
04:53:53PM FOR THAT BOND.
04:53:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:53:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGREE TO MY COLLEAGUES TO A POINT.
04:54:02PM BUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS RISKY, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
04:54:05PM NO -- YOU MIGHT SAVE MONEY AND YOU ALSO MAY HAVE AWAY?
04:54:10PM SOMETHING YOU CAN'T BUY, BECAUSE IT COSTS -- ESCALATION OF
04:54:13PM PRODUCT WENT UP.
04:54:14PM WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY.
04:54:16PM SO YOU MIGHT GET THE BEST INTEREST TODAY OR THE WORST
04:54:19PM INTEREST TODAY, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT TOMORROW HOLDS.
04:54:22PM YOU MIGHT BUILD SOMETHING AND A HURRICANE COMES BY AND TAKES
04:54:26PM IT.
04:54:26PM IT IS WHAT IT IS.
04:54:32PM NOTHING GUARANTEES ANYTHING.
04:54:35PM WE HAVE TO WORK ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
04:54:37PM BUT I AM NOT AGAINST THIS KIND OF PROJECT.
04:54:40PM I AM NOT AGAINST BONDING TO SOME DEGREE.
04:54:42PM BUT GET TO THE POINT VERY CLOSE WHERE THE CHANCES WILL BE
04:54:46PM HELD BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE MAY STAY OR MAY NOT STAY
04:54:49PM WHERE IT IS AT.
04:54:50PM WHO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY.
04:54:52PM WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN PRESIDENT FAR EAST.
04:54:56PM NO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN IN TAIWAN AND WHO KNOW WHAT IS
04:55:00PM WILL HAPPEN IN TODAY'S EVER-MOVING WORLD WE LIVE IN.
04:55:07PM EVERYTHING WE TO IS A RISK.
04:55:09PM SO WE EITHER DO IT OR DON'T DO IT AND YOU RISK YOURSELF
04:55:14PM EITHER WAY IN EXPOSURE.
04:55:15PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PROJECT LIKE THIS GO THROUGH.
04:55:17PM IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE YOU ARE
04:55:19PM TALKING OF NATURE, MONEY AND THINGS USING IT HOWEVER, YOU
04:55:28PM CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE CIP.
04:55:32PM WE WILL, BUT I WON'T VOTE FOR THAT.
04:55:34PM YOU CANNOT GIVE TAXPAYER MONEY AWAY.
04:55:36PM AND IF YOU KEPT YOUR NOSE CLEAN AND I AM NOT HERE SCOLD
04:55:43PM -- BUT I DON'T MIND HELPING OR GIVING ONE OF
04:55:48PM THE SIX CENT OF THE SEATTLE SALES TAX $10 MILLION A YEAR FOR
04:55:52PM A 15 OR 30-YEAR PROGRAM OPINION BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO GIVE
04:55:56PM OUT CERTAIN THING.
04:55:56PM I AM NOT FOLLOWING HELP THE SPORTS AUTHORITY TO RECOUP ALL
04:56:00PM THE MONEY THEY GIVE AWAY WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY -- I TELL
04:56:04PM YOU, A LOT OF MONEY.
04:56:05PM I DON'T LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC LANDS TO ANYBODY ELSE.
04:56:08PM TALK OF CHANGING THE LOTS IN YBOR CITY AND PUTTING THE
04:56:12PM POLICEMAN -- WHO IS DOING THE RIGHT THING AND WHO IS NOT
04:56:14PM DOING THE RIGHT THING?
04:56:15PM WE GIVE AWAY 200 MILLION OR $ 00 MILLION IN PARKING FEES
04:56:21PM AWAY.
04:56:22PM THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE TAXPAYERS DO NOT UNDERSTAND
04:56:25PM AND I AM NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR ALL OF US.
04:56:26PM BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
04:56:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
04:56:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT SAYING IF THIS IS TRANSFORMING OR
04:56:35PM NOT TRANSFORMING.
04:56:37PM I CALL THE QUESTION.
04:56:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
04:56:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE 78, FILE NUMBER MAM 24-6502 --
04:56:54PM >> EXCUSE ME, 78 THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CONTRACT?
04:56:58PM YEAH, THAT -- THIS IS FIRST CONSIDERATION.
04:57:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM MOVING THE RESOLUTION.
04:57:06PM WE ARE JUST LISTENING.
04:57:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
04:57:11PM BECAUSE OF COUNCIL'S NEW POLICY REGARDING HAVING A
04:57:14PM SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME, IT IS NOT -- WE DON'T CALL IT TWO
04:57:18PM READINGS, BUT APPEARS CONTINUE TO THE AGENDA TWICE BEFORE
04:57:20PM YOU VOTE.
04:57:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE THAT WE HEARD THIS.
04:57:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
04:57:25PM DOES THAT ALSO TAKE CARE OF NUMBER 80?
04:57:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DOES.
04:57:31PM NUMBER 0 IS A DRAFT FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
04:57:33PM FOR OUR PURPOSES ALSO BECAUSE WE WILL BE COMING IN TAN
04:57:37PM KENNEL ON THE 18th.
04:57:38PM >> SO WE ARE DONE.
04:57:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 79, SIR?
04:57:42PM >>VIK BHIDE: ITEM 79 NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
04:57:47PM STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT COUNCIL APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT
04:57:51PM DOES BEARING ON JULY 18, APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE
04:57:59PM CONTRACT ITSELF, BUT THIS ITEM DOES RATIFY THE UPDATED
04:58:05PM PRICING THAT WE NEED TO REPORT TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND SAY
04:58:08PM THAT COUNCIL HAS RATIFIED THE PRICING.
04:58:10PM AND THEN THEY WILL PROVIDE US THE APPROVAL TO AWARD THE
04:58:14PM CONTRACT.
04:58:14PM AGAIN, EVEN APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT FROM FEDERAL
04:58:19PM HIGHWAY STILL DOES NOT PRECLUDE COUNCIL'S RIGHT TO WEIGH IN
04:58:25PM ON WHETHER THE CONTRACT IS APPROVED OR NOT ON JULY 18.
04:58:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 79 SAYS THE SAME VERBIAGE OF THE OTHER
04:58:33PM TWO.
04:58:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 79 -- SORRY.
04:58:36PM >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS THE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE.
04:58:38PM IN ESSENCE, WHAT AMOUNT NUMBER ONE IS, THE DELTA BETWEEN THE
04:58:42PM ORIGINAL PRICE AND THIS INCREASED PRICE.
04:58:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. BHIDE, IF I CAN BE
04:58:52PM RECOGNIZED.
04:58:53PM TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAS RAISED.
04:58:56PM PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR IDENTICAL LANGUAGE 78, 79 AND 80,
04:59:02PM SCHEDULED APPROVAL JULY 18 AS WHAT WAS SAID IN RED ON NUMBER
04:59:06PM 79 WHICH WAS APPROVING AMENDMENT 1.
04:59:10PM >>VIK BHIDE: WE DID TRY TO CORRECT THAT.
04:59:13PM WE CAUGHT THAT WE ARE ROAR.
04:59:15PM THAT VERBIAGE IS IN ERROR.
04:59:18PM WE TRIED TO CATCH THAT ON TUESDAY AND PUT A MEMO IN FOR
04:59:22PM COUNCIL.
04:59:22PM WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BECAUSE SEVERAL CRITICAL FOLKS HAVE LEFT
04:59:30PM FOR THE DAY AT THAT TIME.
04:59:32PM I REAPED OUT TO MANY AIDES AND COUNCILMEMBERS TO CLARIFY
04:59:38PM WHAT THAT IS ABOUT.
04:59:39PM TO THE EXTENT WE CAN TAKE A SEPARATE VOTE ON IT.
04:59:42PM AND IF -- AT LEAST FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IF IT CAN BE
04:59:47PM APPROVED SO THAT WE GET A FAIR CHANCE FOR ANOTHER HEARING
04:59:51PM AND DISCUSSION ON JULY 18, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
04:59:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION.
05:00:00PM WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF DEFERRING TO THE 18th FOR THE
05:00:04PM REST OF IT.
05:00:05PM >>VIK BHIDE: VERY GOOD QUESTION.
05:00:07PM THE QUESTION IS A DELAY.
05:00:08PM THERE IS A PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 18 IF YOU APPROVE
05:00:13PM ITEM 79, WE GO BACK TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND SAY THAT COUNCIL
05:00:17PM HAS RATIFIED THE PRICE, BUT THE CONTRACT APPROVAL IS COMING
05:00:21PM UP ON JULY 18.
05:00:22PM AND THEY GIVE US THE FINAL APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT.
05:00:26PM BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT PRECLUDE COUNCIL'S RIGHT TO WEIGH IN
05:00:32PM ON IT AND APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE ON JULY 18.
05:00:35PM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, NO RISK TO JULY 18, BUT NOT DOING IT
05:00:39PM HAS A SIGNIFICANT RISK ON THE TIMELINE.
05:00:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
05:00:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
05:00:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:00:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I THINK THIS COULD BE A WONDERFUL
05:00:49PM PROJECT.
05:00:49PM BUT UNTIL YOU COME TO US WITH SOME MORE SOLID SPACE WHERE
05:00:55PM YOU ARE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY, EVEN HAVING STALKED TO
05:00:58PM THE CAC, I CAN'T APPROVE IT UNTIL I KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO
05:01:01PM HAVE TO BOND $27 MILLION.
05:01:03PM >>VIK BHIDE: UNDERSTOOD.
05:01:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION OF ITEM 79 FROM COUNCILMAN
05:01:10PM CLENDENIN AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:01:12PM LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:01:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
05:01:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
05:01:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
05:01:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
05:01:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
05:01:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
05:01:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
05:01:41PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
05:01:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES?
05:01:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK VIK EARLIER FOR HIS PRESENTATION AND
05:01:53PM FEEDBACK, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO THANK MR. ROGERO, THEY
05:01:57PM REACHED OUT TO US KNOWING THAT I WAS AGAINST IT.
05:02:00PM THEY STILL WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
05:02:01PM AND DENNIS, AS HE HAS DONE MANY TIME RECENTLY PUT ADDITIONAL
05:02:05PM DATA, CRUNCHED DATA.
05:02:07PM I WANT TO THANK HIM AND HIS STAFF FOR DOING THAT.
05:02:09PM IF POSSIBLE, IF YOU CAN E-MAIL THE DATA TO US AND A GREAT
05:02:13PM EXAMPLE WHERE WE COULD -- WE HAD A COLLEGIAL DISCUSSION.
05:02:16PM WE DON'T ALL AGREE, BUT THE DATA IT ON THE TABLE AND THE
05:02:22PM PUBLIC HAS SEEN IT.
05:02:23PM GREAT DAY FOR TRANSPARENCY.
05:02:26PM I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU.
05:02:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:02:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WON'T MAKE THE MOTION NOW.
05:02:31PM THE QUESTION TO Y'ALL.
05:02:32PM IF WE WANT FIND OUT WHAT ADDITIONAL EFFORTS ARE MADE WITH
05:02:35PM REGARDS TO GRANTS.
05:02:37PM AND WE CAN, I GUESS, DEAL WITH CRA DURING CRA, WHAT IS
05:02:40PM REASONABLE TIME FRAME FOR THAT?
05:02:47PM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD SPEAK -- ALTHOUGH THE GRANTS OFFICE
05:02:52PM IS UNDER --
05:02:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU CAN SPEAK AND I WILL JUMP IN.
05:02:56PM >>VIK BHIDE: LOOK FOR FUNDING 180 DAYS -- IF YOU GIVE US
05:03:01PM 180S.
05:03:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES?
05:03:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VIK, WE DO THE STREETCAR UPDATES.
05:03:08PM IF PART OF THE MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDE THIS
05:03:11PM PROJECT TO THE STREETCAR UPDATES.
05:03:13PM >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, SOUNDS GOOD.
05:03:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD IF COUNCILMAN VIERA
05:03:18PM WILL MAKE HIS MOTION AND PUT IT IN JANUARY.
05:03:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS.
05:03:26PM I DO MOTION THAT STAFF AND MR. ROGERO AND ANYBODY ELSE --
05:03:33PM THAT WANTS TO COME BACK ON THIS.
05:03:34PM JANUARY 9 OF 2025, COME BACK ON THIS PROJECT AND ADVISE
05:03:43PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO SECURE
05:03:47PM ADDITIONAL FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS AND THE SUCCESS OF ANY
05:03:51PM SAID EFFORTS.
05:03:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
05:03:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:03:56PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CHARLOTTE.
05:03:58PM MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND.
05:04:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU SAID THIS PROJECT.
05:04:04PM WHAT IS THE CORRECT TITLE FOR THIS MOTION.
05:04:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: WEST RIVERWALK PROJECT.
05:04:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS FINE.
05:04:11PM >>VIK BHIDE: THE LONG NAME IS THE FED'S.
05:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT WITH THAT
05:04:20PM MOTION.
05:04:20PM BY JANUARY WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND BY THE CIT.
05:04:23PM THAT ALSO CHANGES THINGS FOR ME.
05:04:25PM BUT WE CAN'T -- SO, I THINK THAT IF YOU -- IF -- IF THE CIT
05:04:32PM PASS, I WOULD LIKE AS PART OF THAT MOTION WHAT THE
05:04:36PM ADMINISTRATION WILL BE FOLLOWING PUT TOWARD THIS WHETHER
05:04:39PM BONDING OR PAY GO OR WHATEVER, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE
05:04:45PM THANKS.
05:04:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:04:47PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:04:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DOES SHE NEED A SECOND ON THAT --
05:04:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS AN AMENDMENT, NOT A SUBSTITUTE.
05:04:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VIK, WHEN HE SAID 2025.
05:04:59PM WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FLYING CARS BY NOW.
05:05:02PM WHERE ARE OUR FLYING CARS.
05:05:05PM >>VIK BHIDE: RIGHT BEHIND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.
05:05:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, MR. VASKE.
05:05:13PM >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
05:05:16PM THE FINANCIAL, CONTINUED INTO JULY 18.
05:05:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SET BY MOTION OR OVERLAPPING.
05:05:24PM >> I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO BY MOTION, BECAUSE IT IS
05:05:27PM NOT A CONTRACT THAT AUTOMATICALLY DELAYS IT UNTIL THE 17th.
05:05:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL ALSO APPLY TO NUMBER 78, RIGHT?
05:05:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: MEANS SCHEDULING IT FOR SECOND.
05:05:39PM >> WOULD YOU JUST BE CONTINUING THIS UNTIL JULY 18 FOR THE
05:05:44PM FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
05:05:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR 78.
05:05:51PM YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE IT COMES BACK JULY 18.
05:05:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TRAVELLING WITH 80.
05:05:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I HAVE A MOTION OF THAT?
05:06:01PM COUNCIL CARLSON WITH THE FOR 78 TO COME BACK JULY 18.
05:06:07PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:06:08PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:06:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:06:11PM ARE YOU DONE?
05:06:17PM HE SAID, NO, JUST 78.
05:06:19PM THAT'S RIGHT.
05:06:20PM HE CLARIFIED IT.
05:06:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD FURTHER CLARIFY.
05:06:24PM 78 -- NUMBER 78 AND NUMBER 80 WILL BOTH BE COMING JULY 18.
05:06:30PM OKAY.
05:06:31PM OKAY.
05:06:32PM THANK YOU.
05:06:32PM BEFORE WE GO TO 84, COUNCILMAN VIERA, ON 87.
05:06:40PM I PUT "PENDING" ON HERE.
05:06:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.
05:06:45PM I TOLD MISS WYNN I CAN SPEAK ON THIS.
05:06:49PM I DON'T WANT HER TO SPEAK ON THAT AND TAX HER TIME.
05:06:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 84.
05:06:54PM MR. COTTON ARE YOU PRESENTED OR MISS WELLS.
05:06:58PM >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECORD
05:07:01PM AND MR. COTTON IS HERE AS WELL.
05:07:02PM WE JUST HAVE A VERY QUICK PRESENTATION AND TOUCH ON THE
05:07:07PM ISSUES RAISED IN THE MOTION.
05:07:08PM ONE THING BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT NOTICE WITH RESPECT TO THE
05:07:12PM LIVE LOCAL ACT.
05:07:13PM I DID WANT TO CONFIRM, PART OF THE MOTION INQUIRED ABOUT THE
05:07:16PM ABILITY FOR DEVELOPERS TO SEEK A BONUS DENSITY FOR THESE
05:07:20PM APPLICATIONS OR OTHER CITY SUB CITY DECEMBER.
05:07:26PM BONUS DENSITIES -- ANY TIME WE ENTER INTO A BONUS ENTITY,
05:07:30PM THAT NECESSARILY COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT IS NOT
05:07:33PM SOMETHING THAT CAN BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
05:07:35PM LIKEWISE WITH THE SUBSIDIES, THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL'S
05:07:40PM APPROVAL.
05:07:41PM LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS PROCESSED TODAY.
05:07:44PM OF TWO THEM THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
05:07:46PM THOSE ARE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW
05:07:52PM THAT WAS CREATED LAST YEAR AND CODIFIED AT SECTION
05:07:59PM 176.04051.
05:07:59PM ONE OF THE REASONS STAFF DID NOT INCLUDE NOTICE WHEN WE
05:08:03PM ESTABLISHED THE PROGRAM FOR HOUSING -- THE PROGRAM THAT THE
05:08:08PM CITY WOULD IMPLEMENT WITH LIVE LOCAL.
05:08:09PM CAME BACK WITH THE CITY FOR THE MAYOR'S FIRST TERM,
05:08:15PM DIFFERENT ADVISORY GROUPS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED TO LOOK AT
05:08:18PM DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE CITY.
05:08:20PM THE ONE GROUP LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PERMITTING
05:08:23PM LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT NOTICES THAT THE CITY REQUIRED FOR
05:08:27PM DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
05:08:28PM AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS TO HAVE UNIFORM
05:08:31PM NOTICE PROCEDURE IN CHAPTER 27 TO REMOVE -- AND TO REMOVE
05:08:37PM THE NEED FOR NOTICE WHERE THE RECIPIENT OF THAT NOTICE WAS
05:08:41PM NOT REALLY ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS.
05:08:43PM CERTAIN TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT GET FILED WITH THE CITY
05:08:46PM THAT ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
05:08:49PM AND THEY DON'T -- THERE ISN'T 30 DAY OR 15-DAY
05:08:54PM PERIOD FOR PUBLIC TO INTERACT WITH STAFF AND COMMENT
05:08:56PM ON IT.
05:08:57PM SOME WHERE -- WHERE THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF ENGAGEMENT,
05:09:00PM THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT DO WRITTEN NOTICE.
05:09:03PM BECAUSE NOTICE CREATES AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU WILL HAVE AN
05:09:07PM OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
05:09:09PM SO WITH THAT, IN -- I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER OF 2020, THOSE
05:09:16PM PROVISIONS IN CHAPTER 27 WERE AMENDED TO ACHIEVE THOSE
05:09:20PM GOALS.
05:09:20PM THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE
05:09:23PM HAVING THIS COVERING, THAT DECISION HAD BEEN MADE.
05:09:26PM AND NOW SINCE THEN, IF -- IF -- SINCE THE STATUTORY FABRIC
05:09:34PM FOR LIVE, LOCAL DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY TYPE OF HEARING OR ANY
05:09:38PM TYPE OF NOTICE BECAUSE IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
05:09:40PM THERE WAS NO LEGAL DOCTOR THERE ARE NO LEGAL BURDENS OR
05:09:46PM PARAMETERS IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH NOTICE FOR THESE
05:09:50PM APPLICATIONS.
05:09:51PM IT REALLY IS A POLICY DECISION FOR COUNCIL.
05:09:54PM SO WITH THAT, WINNER RICK AND I MET AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW,
05:09:59PM WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY FOR NOTICE, WE ARE LOOKING
05:10:02PM AT WRITTEN NOTICE TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND OR
05:10:05PM WRITTEN NOTICE TO OWNERS OF PROPERTY WITHIN 300 FEET OF
05:10:10PM WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED.
05:10:11PM WE DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE REQUIRE DEVELOPERS OR APPLICANTS
05:10:17PM TO POST A SIGN, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE SIGNS WE HAD RIGHT NOW
05:10:21PM ARE ALL ABOUT ADVERTISING PUBLIC HEARING.
05:10:23PM IF -- AND ONCE COUNCIL DECIDES HOW IT -- IT WANTS TO HANDLE
05:10:32PM NOTICE, WHAT I DO -- FROM AN IMPLEMENTATION STANDPOINT.
05:10:36PM IF WRITTEN NOTICE IS REQUIRED, WHETHER IT IS THE
05:10:40PM ASSOCIATIONS OR PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT THE APPLICANT BE
05:10:43PM REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THAT NOTICE WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE
05:10:47PM APPLICATION FOR LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS BEING ACCEPTED IN ACELA.
05:10:54PM WHEN IT IS OCCURS IN ACELA AN E-MAIL THAT IS GENERATED FOR
05:10:59PM THE APPLICANT AND THE E-MAIL CAN INCLUDE REQUIREMENT TO
05:11:04PM COMPLETE NOTICE.
05:11:04PM WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO FILE AN AFFIDAVIT CONFIRMING THEY
05:11:10PM HAD NOTICE REGARDING REZONING AND OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT
05:11:12PM COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
05:11:13PM THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT THE
05:11:16PM APPLICATION NOT BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS
05:11:19PM UNTIL NOTICE HAS BEEN COMPLETE.
05:11:20PM OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE.
05:11:22PM SO I DID WANT TO MENTION I SMOKE WITH CARROLL ANN BENNETT
05:11:31PM AND STEPHANIE POYNOR.
05:11:35PM SHE SAID CARROLL ANNE AND I HAVE TO LEAVE AND WE WANT LIVE
05:11:41PM LOCAL TO FOLLOW SAME PROCEDURES AS ANY OTHER APPLICATION.
05:11:45PM WILL NOT BE BURDENED BY FILING THE LIVE LOCAL IN THE FIRST
05:11:49PM PLACE.
05:11:49PM IT WAS THEIR REQUEST THAT IN ADDITION TO THE WRITTEN NOTICE,
05:11:53PM THAT SIGNS BE POSTED.
05:11:56PM IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE, THOSE SIGNS WILL HAVE TO BE
05:11:59PM CREATED BECAUSE THE ONES WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND I ACTUALLY
05:12:03PM HAVE A PICTURE OF ONE THAT SOMEONE AT A DRC MEET HAD WITH
05:12:12PM THEM.
05:12:12PM THIS IS ALL ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH DOES NOT
05:12:16PM OCCUR WITH THESE TYPE OF APPLICATIONS.
05:12:18PM SO I DON'T KNOW, ERIC, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT
05:12:21PM DISCUSSION?
05:12:23PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT
05:12:26PM COORDINATION.
05:12:26PM AS CATE INDICATED, UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU WANT TO SET POLICY
05:12:31PM TO REQUIRE NOTICE.
05:12:31PM STAFF LEVEL, WE WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU DO A NOTICE, IT WILL
05:12:35PM BE A MAILED NOTICE.
05:12:36PM DIRECT AND TO THE POINT FOR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE THE NOTICE
05:12:39PM VERSUS A SIGN WHICH, I AM SURE YOU HEARD THE COMPLAINT.
05:12:42PM SIGN -- PEOPLE DRIVE BY.
05:12:44PM THEY MAY SEE IT.
05:12:45PM THEY MAY NOT SEE IT.
05:12:46PM A LETTER AT THEIR HOME ADDRESS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ALSO
05:12:51PM GET THAT.
05:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN
05:12:54PM CARLSON.
05:12:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:12:56PM I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MUCH FOR LOOKING AT
05:13:00PM THIS BECAUSE THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
05:13:02PM ONLY WAY THE PUBLIC CAN BE INVOLVED IS FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND
05:13:12PM GET INVOLVED.
05:13:12PM WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
05:13:13PM YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
05:13:14PM NOTHING THAT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT THESE GO THROUGH AND WE
05:13:19PM DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT.
05:13:20PM SO I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE WRITTEN -- THE MAILINGS THAT
05:13:27PM WOULD GO OUT TO 00 FEET AND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
05:13:30PM ASSOCIATIONS.
05:13:31PM I THINK THAT -- THAT IS EXCELLENT.
05:13:32PM I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THE SIGNS.
05:13:35PM THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE TO SEE IS WHAT -- THE WAY -- THE
05:13:39PM WAY THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY CREATE IS TO SAY -- MAYBE A LIVE
05:13:45PM LOCAL HEARING AND WE COULDN'T HAVE OUR ADDRESS AND PHONE
05:13:47PM NUMBER ON IT BECAUSE IT IS NOTHING WE CAN DO.
05:13:49PM ALL WE CAN DO IS THE SCAN THAT GOES TO THE ACELA LINK TO
05:13:56PM FIND WAYS TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT.
05:13:58PM SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
05:14:02PM BRAINSTORM SOME IDEAS AND THIS IS THE ONE I AM SORT ARE SORT
05:14:08PM OF IFFY ON I WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IN YOUR
05:14:14PM OPINION AND I LOVE THE REST AND WILL GO VERY NICELY TO WHAT
05:14:18PM WE ARE ALREADY DOING.
05:14:19PM THANK YOU.
05:14:20PM >>ERIC COTTON: IF I MAY, JUST DIRECTLY.
05:14:23PM THE LETTERS -- THE QR CODES ARE ON THE LETTERS AND THEY CAN
05:14:27PM SCAN AND SEE THE APPLICATION IN ACELA.
05:14:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
05:14:31PM I THINK THE ONLY REASON THAT THE SIGNS CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IS
05:14:34PM JUST LIKE THE CASE THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US TODAY ABOUT THAT
05:14:40PM WEIRD SHAPED PROPERTY GOING FROM RM -- RESIDENTIAL 50 TO
05:14:47PM MULTIFAMILY IS, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS AN ACTIVE
05:14:51PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
05:14:52PM SO GETTING THAT NOTICE AND HAVING THE SIGN WOULD BE THE ONLY
05:14:56PM WAY THAT THEY WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
05:14:58PM AND FOR THE PLACES THAT WE EXPECT LIVE LOCAL TO GO, THAT
05:15:03PM MIGHT BE MORE OF AN ISSUE.
05:15:05PM SO THAT -- THAT IS THE REASON THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY
05:15:08PM CONSIDER SIGNS BECAUSE THESE MIGHT -- THESE ARE PROBABLY
05:15:11PM GOING TO END UP GOING IN AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A -- THAT
05:15:16PM AREN'T VERY RESIDENTIAL TO BEGIN WITH.
05:15:18PM SO I THINK THAT IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOUR
05:15:23PM RENDERINGS AND YOUR THOUGHTS ARE TOWARD A SIGN.
05:15:27PM MAYBE A DIFFERENT COLOR.
05:15:28PM INSTEAD OF YELLOW, IT IS ORANGE, I DON'T KNOW.
05:15:30PM THEN BUY TEN OF THEM AND STICK THEM BACK.
05:15:32PM IF YOU NEED MORE, YOU CAN ORDER MORE.
05:15:34PM JUST -- AGAIN, JUST THOUGHTS.
05:15:36PM JUST -- JUST A FEW THINGS.
05:15:38PM JUST KIND OF PONDER WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND BRING US A
05:15:44PM COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
05:15:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD SUGGEST THAT REQUIRES A MOTION IF
05:15:46PM YOU ARE GOING TO DIRECT STAFF --
05:15:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: EVENTUALLY.
05:15:49PM I WILL LET EVERYBODY ELSE SPEAK AND THEN COME UP WITH A
05:15:52PM MOTION.
05:15:52PM THOSE WERE MY THOUGHTS BEHIND IT.
05:15:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:15:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE RESEARCH AND IDEAS.
05:16:00PM IF WE CAN DO A LETTER, A SIGN AND THE ACELA ALERTS, THAT
05:16:04PM WILL BE FANTASTIC.
05:16:05PM BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE CONSISTENT LANGUAGE, WHATEVER
05:16:11PM IT IS, WAY UP FRONT ON THE TOP OF THE SIGN AND THE LETTER,
05:16:14PM IT SHOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, STATE -- NOTICE OF STATE
05:16:19PM PREEMPTED APPROVAL AND NOTICE OF STATE REQUIRED APPROVAL.
05:16:22PM AND IT SHOULD ALSO HAVE -- THE WEB SITE OR WHERE WE NOTICE
05:16:27PM IT, IT SHOULD HAVE A LINK TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND ANY
05:16:31PM QUERIES, CONTACT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
05:16:33PM BECAUSE IT IS THEIR DECISION.
05:16:35PM NOT A POLITICAL THING, BUT THAT IS WHO THEY CONTACT.
05:16:38PM OTHERWISE WE GET FLOODED -- PEOPLE WILL START RALLIES AND
05:16:42PM WHY ARE YOU APPROVING THIS YOU STUPID IDIOTS.
05:16:46PM WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.
05:16:48PM I THINK -- I THINK THE HEADLINE NEEDS TO NOTIFY PEOPLE IF IT
05:16:52PM SAYS NOTICE OF STATE REQUIRED AND STATE PREEMPTED APPROVAL.
05:16:57PM THAT MEANS THAT -- WHAT IT IS TELLING THEM LOUD AND CLEAR,
05:17:01PM THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT ON IT.
05:17:04PM THANK YOU.
05:17:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:17:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK ANY TIME YOU SEND OUT A NOTICE
05:17:10PM FOR REZONINGS AND ALCOHOL AND OTHER THINGS WERE THERE, I
05:17:13PM THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
05:17:14PM AND IT WILL BRING THOSE FOUR AND THOSE NOT FOUR TOGETHER TO
05:17:18PM COME HERE WITH A HEARING AND SEE WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
05:17:20PM AND THE GOVERNMENT GETS A GOOD CONTACT AND RESULTS FROM
05:17:28PM LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.
05:17:29PM >>CATE WELLS: NO, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS DON'T COME
05:17:33PM BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
05:17:34PM THEY ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
05:17:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE SIGN I SAW HAD THREE THINGS THAT I
05:17:40PM JUST MENTIONED.
05:17:41PM >>CATE WELLS: I UNDERSTAND, THE SIGNS THAT THE CITY
05:17:45PM CURRENTLY HAVE WOULD NOT WORK FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE OF
05:17:47PM THAT.
05:17:47PM WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN EXPECTATION BY THE PUBLIC THAT
05:17:50PM THEY WILL SOMEHOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
05:17:55PM PROCESS OR INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME.
05:17:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
05:17:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU COME BACK -- DO
05:18:03PM YOU NEED AN ORDINANCE LANGUAGE?
05:18:06PM DO YOU WANT --
05:18:07PM >>CATE WELLS: NO.
05:18:08PM DEPENDING ON COUNCIL'S MOTION, WE WILL AMEND THE MOTION.
05:18:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND ON THAT.
05:18:13PM >>CATE WELLS: THAT HAS BEEN FINALIZED LAST YEAR DOCUMENTING
05:18:16PM HOW IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
05:18:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE MEMO
05:18:21PM WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS OF THE 300 FEET, THE NEIGHBORHOOD
05:18:24PM ASSOCIATION, FIVE-DAY WINDOW.
05:18:27PM ALL OF THE THIS I THINK SO THAT YOU DESCRIBED.
05:18:28PM AND ALSO BRING BACK AND YOU ALL CAN -- IS IT TWO MONTHS
05:18:33PM ENOUGH TIME TO CREATE SOME -- TO BRING BACK -- IT IS JUNE
05:18:39PM 20, SO END OF.
05:18:40PM AUGUST 22 AUGUST 22 IS FULL.
05:18:47PM SO WE WILL GO TO SEPTEMBER 5 TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE IDEAS
05:18:53PM THAT WE MENTIONED.
05:18:55PM THE -- MAYBE A DIFFERENT COLOR HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THIS
05:19:00PM ISN'T A CITY.
05:19:00PM AGAIN, JUST PLAY AROUND WITH IT AND WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME
05:19:03PM SUGGESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO E-MAIL IT BEFORE -- AHEAD OF TIME
05:19:07PM TO GIVE SUGGESTIONS.
05:19:08PM BUT THAT WAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT AND JUST TAKE
05:19:14PM SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE MENTIONED AND PASS IT ALONG.
05:19:18PM I THINK MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
05:19:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WITH THE MOTION.
05:19:23PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH THE SECOND.
05:19:25PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:19:26PM OPPOSED?
05:19:27PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:19:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:19:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 85.
05:19:36PM WE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM MISS OCEA WYNN REGARDING THIS ITEM.
05:19:40PM YES, SIR?
05:19:41PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
05:19:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID.
05:19:47PM SHE WAS HERE AND WAITED FOR A WHILE.
05:19:49PM I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A NEED TO HAVE HER SIT.
05:19:52PM WE -- THEY REACHED AN AGREEMENT.
05:19:54PM THEY ARE GOING -- THE CITY IS GOING TO -- WE HAD THIS AS A
05:19:58PM MOTION TO FUND THEM.
05:19:59PM THEY WILL PROVIDE $20,000 TO FUND THEIR SUMMER PROGRAMS.
05:20:02PM IN LIGHT OF THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL.
05:20:06PM AND WORKING WITH THEM TO APPLY FOR THE $75,000 FOR THE FY
05:20:12PM '25 BUDGET.
05:20:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
05:20:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW, I THINK -- YEAH, ACTUALLY I
05:20:18PM THINK WE ALREADY DID.
05:20:19PM I CAN SAY WE -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND OUR PREVIOUS
05:20:24PM REQUEST FOR FY '24 TO $20,000.
05:20:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
05:20:28PM FOR $20,000 FOR '24.
05:20:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 20,000 '24.
05:20:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL SECOND IT THEN.
05:20:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION BY CLENDENIN AND SECOND BY
05:20:40PM HENDERSON.
05:20:40PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON 87?
05:20:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: MISS WYNN HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH AND
05:20:48PM I PROPOSE SIMILAR HOW WE HAVE A HISPANIC ADVISORY BOARD,
05:20:52PM AFRICAN-AMERICAN, ETC., TO HAVE ONE FOR VETERANS.
05:20:55PM AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TOGETHER.
05:20:57PM WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FOLKS INTERESTED IN IT.
05:21:01PM AND THAT'S IT.
05:21:02PM IT SHOULDN'T NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND I DIDN'T WANT
05:21:05PM MISS WYNN WHO IS EXTREMELY BUSY.
05:21:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:21:11PM THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 9.
05:21:13PM MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:21:15PM MR. MULKEY WILL BE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
05:21:18PM IS TONY MULKEY ON.
05:21:24PM THERE HE IS.
05:21:25PM HELLO, SIR.
05:21:26PM >>TONY MULKEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
05:21:28PM TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
05:21:32PM I'M HERE VIRTUALLY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL AND
05:21:36PM COMPOUND REGARDING THE HISTORY OF YELLOW JACKETS AND THE
05:21:38PM POTENTIAL FOR THEM MOVING BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION AS
05:21:43PM IT HAS BEEN KIND OF BANDIED ABOUT FOR A LITTLE BIT.
05:21:47PM THE YELLOW JACKETS HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN THE CITY, AND THEY
05:21:53PM PRODUCED A LOT PROVE PLAYERS IN THE NFL, THE MLB AND MINOR
05:21:58PM LEAGUES ALONG THE WAY.
05:21:59PM THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE KIDS IS JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL.
05:22:02PM AND MR. WRIGHT, WHO SPOKE YOU WITH EARLIER, HAS BEEN A TRUE
05:22:06PM ADVOCATE FOR THE ORGANIZATION.
05:22:10PM PART OF THE GROWTH OF WEST TAMPA DISPLACED THE LEAGUE BACK
05:22:14PM IN 2018.
05:22:17PM THE YELLOW JACKETS LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS WERE REMOVED FROM
05:22:21PM THE DEDICATED PARKS LIST THROUGH AN ACTION BY COUNCIL.
05:22:25PM AT THAT TIME, THEY DID RELOCATE TO CALVIN TAYLOR PARK.
05:22:31PM AND WE HAVE PROCEEDED TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT SPACE FOR THE
05:22:35PM BEST OF OUR ABILITY, AND WE CONTINUE TO SEEK OUT WAYS TO
05:22:39PM ENHANCE THEIR EXPERIENCE OUT THERE.
05:22:41PM THE -- THE IDEA THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO RETURN TO THEIR
05:22:45PM ORIGINAL HOME UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE THAT
05:22:50PM HAS BEEN A PART OF THE ROME YARD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
05:22:54PM THE ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR THE PROPERTY.
05:22:57PM AND IT IS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE -- WITH
05:23:03PM THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT.
05:23:05PM SOME IT IS NO LONGER IN CITY HANDS ESSENTIALLY.
05:23:09PM I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ELEMENTS TO THIS AND
05:23:19PM RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S TIME AND FOCUS ON ANYTHING THAT
05:23:23PM ANYBODY HAS.
05:23:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:23:26PM YOUR MOTION FIRST AND THEN GO TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:23:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULKEY.
05:23:32PM YOU PROVIDED ME WITH A REPORT.
05:23:35PM THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS, YELLOW JACKETS' FIELD THAT
05:23:39PM EXISTED FROM EVEN BEFORE WINNING THE SEAT ON COUNCIL AND
05:23:42PM SERVING DISTRICT 5.
05:23:45PM SIMPLY PUT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IS NOW PART OF THE
05:23:49PM RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEST RIVER
05:23:52PM PROJECT.
05:23:55PM PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW THAT.
05:23:57PM THAT IN SIMPLE TERMS NEED TO BE PRESENTED PUBLICLY SO MY
05:24:01PM OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
05:24:03PM I WANT TO SAY FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT FROM CITY COUNCIL
05:24:11PM ACTION AS MR. MULKEY SAID, THE YELLOW JACKETS HAD TO MOVE.
05:24:14PM AT THAT TIME, THAT IS WHEN THE COMMUNITY WAS SUPPOSED TO
05:24:19PM FIGHT.
05:24:21PM FIGHT REALLY HARD FOR THAT NOT TO TAKE PLACE.
05:24:24PM AND EXPRESS YOURSELF IN A HUGE WAY BECAUSE AS HE SAID THIS
05:24:36PM IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND
05:24:39PM TAKEN AWAY BY A COUNCIL -- A CITY COUNCIL VOTE TO DECIDE TO
05:24:43PM MOVE YOU SOME PLACE ELSE.
05:24:45PM AND IT IS NOT BETTER AND I WILL DISPUTE THE FACT THAT MR.
05:24:50PM MULKEY SAID TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WE HAVE MADE
05:24:53PM IMPROVEMENTS.
05:24:54PM THAT IS NOT TRUE.
05:24:56PM IT IS NOT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
05:24:58PM AND I WANT EVEN THE ADMINISTRATION -- BECAUSE I KNOW THEY
05:25:00PM LISTEN TO OUR MEETINGS AS WELL -- IS THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR
05:25:04PM ABILITY IS DEFINITELY NOT TRUE, IN A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT,
05:25:08PM THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE WHO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE US PUBLICLY
05:25:11PM AND THIS RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE THAT NOW EXISTS, IT
05:25:16PM -- THIS IS -- IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF OUR BUDGET, THIS IS THE
05:25:20PM LITTLE THINGS THAT REALLY PISS BLACK PEOPLE OFF.
05:25:24PM YOU TOOK AWAY THEIR PARK.
05:25:28PM AND THEY ARE ANGRY.
05:25:29PM AND THEY HAVE BEEN ANGRY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
05:25:32PM I AM ACTUALLY MAD ABOUT IT TOO.
05:25:34PM BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SITTING THERE OVERGROWING.
05:25:37PM THE -- THE DEVELOPER HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED THAT IT BELONGS TO
05:25:41PM THEM.
05:25:42PM AND I SAID THAT TO THE MAYOR AS WELL AND TO THE CHIEF OF
05:25:45PM STAFF.
05:25:45PM I AM LIKE, WELL, IF IT BELONGS TO THE PROJECT, THEN IT NEEDS
05:25:48PM TO LOOK LIKE THAT.
05:25:49PM THEY NEED TO WRAP IT UP AND SAY WHAT IS COMING BECAUSE IT
05:25:52PM LOOKS LIKE AN OVERGROWN PARK THAT YOU TOOK FROM THEM AND
05:25:56PM LOOKS LIKE A BASEBALL FIELD THAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED AND
05:25:59PM HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.
05:26:01PM THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL BECAUSE YOU TOOK IT AWAY A LONG TIME
05:26:05PM AGO.
05:26:05PM HOW ABOUT THIS.
05:26:06PM THEY COULD STAY HERE LIKE RIGHT NOW.
05:26:08PM THEY COULD BE HERE RIGHT NOW WHILE YOU CREATE SOMETHING
05:26:11PM SPECIAL FOR THEM.
05:26:11PM AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
05:26:13PM HOW CAN WE GO ABOUT MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
05:26:17PM IT IS MY JOB RIGHT NOW UP HERE TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE THAT
05:26:23PM BECAUSE IT WAS NOT HANDLED PROPERLY.
05:26:24PM A HISTORICAL PLACE TO ASK FOR A HISTORICAL LANDMARK WHAT YOU
05:26:32PM HAVE TO YOU DO FOR BLACK FOLKS BECAUSE IT IS GONE.
05:26:34PM YOU NEED TO PUT A MARKER THERE TO RECOGNIZE IT.
05:26:36PM THIS PASSIONATE PLEA OF MINE TO BRING IT PUBLICLY WILL
05:26:41PM HAPPEN ON QUITE A FEW THINGS.
05:26:42PM THE START OF THIS STARTS NOW.
05:26:44PM I DO APPRECIATE YOUR REPORT.
05:26:46PM IT IS NO LONGER IN OUR HANDS IS NOW IS TOWARD THE
05:26:52PM DEVELOPERS.
05:26:52PM AND IF IT IS IN YOUR HANDS, THE YELLOW JACKETS CURRENT AND
05:26:59PM WHAT WE CAN DO IS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
05:27:04PM AND IF YOU HEARD A PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, I'M HEARING TO IT
05:27:10PM FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT A YOUNG GIRL SAID THAT WE NEED A
05:27:12PM PARK IN PALMA CEIA AND THEY GOT A PARK, A BASEBALL PARK OR
05:27:16PM SOFTBALL PARK, WHATEVER IT IS.
05:27:18PM JUST THAT SIMPLE.
05:27:19PM WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO BETTER.
05:27:22PM THE -- THE -- AND THE WAY WE DO THAT IS THROUGH -- AND I AM
05:27:28PM SAYING THIS THROUGH OUR NEWLY FORMED RACIAL RECOGNITION
05:27:33PM COMMITTEE YOU LOOK AT WAYS AND SUGGESTIONS TO LOOK AT THINGS
05:27:36PM LIKE AND SAY, HEY, WHAT CAN WE TO DO IMPROVE THAT AND MAKE
05:27:41PM IT BETTER.
05:27:41PM GUESS WHAT, IT WILL COST SOME MONEY.
05:27:43PM IT WILL COST SOME MONEY.
05:27:45PM AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
05:27:46PM SO WHEN YOU ALL COME AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
05:27:49PM I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT BY MYSELF, BUT WHEN YOU ALL COME AND
05:27:53PM START FIGHTING -- NOT JUST COMPLAINING BUT FIGHTING AND
05:27:56PM TRYING TO KEEP WHAT -- WHAT ACTUALLY REMAINS, THAT IS WHAT
05:28:00PM WE HAVE TO DO.
05:28:01PM I WATCH COMMUNITIES COME IN HERE AND THEY WILL KEEP US HERE
05:28:04PM UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING.
05:28:05PM WE WILL FILL THIS CHAMBER UPSTAIRS.
05:28:09PM WE WILL PLACE THEM ALL OVER THE BUILDING.
05:28:11PM THEY FIGHT FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
05:28:13PM AND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TOO.
05:28:14PM YOU CAN'T JUST COME AND COMPLAIN FOR YOUR THREE MINUTES AND
05:28:17PM FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE AND THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE IT.
05:28:19PM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE POWER OF YOUR COMMUNITY
05:28:23PM COMING IN AND NOT WAITING UNTIL IT IS GONE BECAUSE NOTHING
05:28:30PM THAT YOUR CITY COUNCILWOMAN CAN DO ABOUT IT.
05:28:33PM BUT THE PART THAT SAYS "TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY" THAT IS
05:28:37PM THE PART THAT WE CAN CHALLENGE ALL OF US UP HERE AND IN OUR
05:28:39PM ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE WEST TAMPA YELLOW JACKETS HOLD
05:28:45PM WHEREVER -- WHEREVER THEY LAND WHEREVER THEY LAND.
05:28:50PM IF THEY ARE THERE OR CURRENTLY ARE NOW WHICH IS TERRIBLE.
05:28:54PM THERE ARE NO LIGHTS.
05:28:55PM THEY DID DO THE YARD I THINK WHEN THEY FIRST WENT OVER
05:28:59PM THERE.
05:28:59PM MR. -- WHAT IS HIS NAME, MR. WRIGHT -- Y'ALL, MR. WRIGHT
05:29:04PM GAVE ME JUST SO MUCH DOCUMENTATION AN THINGS THAT ARE
05:29:10PM PROMISED TO HIM.
05:29:10PM NOT JUST FOR HIM BUT TO THE YELLOW JACKETS.
05:29:16PM I WANT THIS TO BE THE FIGHT OF THE COUNCIL.
05:29:18PM TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.
05:29:21PM MAMA SAID GOT TO SQUEEZE BLOOD OUT OF A TURNIP BECAUSE THE
05:29:26PM BEST OF OUR ABILITY DOES NOT EXIST FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS.
05:29:29PM ALL I AM GOING TO SAY ON THAT.
05:29:32PM I THANK YOU MR. MULKEY TO SAY WHAT IS TRUE.
05:29:35PM THAT PROPERTY CANNOT LONGER GO BACK TO THE YELLOW JACKETS
05:29:38PM AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL A WHILE AGO EVEN
05:29:41PM THOUGH THE LAND IS SITTING UNUSED BY NOW.
05:29:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:29:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:29:47PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:29:48PM IN HISTORY, 1957 WHEN I STARTED AT JEFFERSON GET WHAT, THE
05:29:57PM OLD JEFFERSON.
05:29:58PM WE DIDN'T HAVE A BALL PARK AND PLAYING DIAMOND.
05:30:03PM YEAH, WE HAD TO PLAY TRACK.
05:30:06PM YES, WE HAD TO RUN TRACK.
05:30:09PM PRIOR TO ME GETTING THERE IN '54, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GYM.
05:30:12PM THE BASKETBALL FELLAS AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS BASKETBALL HAD
05:30:18PM TO PRACTICE WHERE IN?
05:30:20PM IN THE AUDITORIUM.
05:30:20PM AND WE HAD TO COMPETE AGAINST TWO SCHOOLS.
05:30:24PM ONLY THREE HIGH SCHOOLS.
05:30:25PM PLANT AND HILLSBOROUGH.
05:30:26PM GUESS WHAT, THEY HAD IT.
05:30:30PM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN WE PLAYED JEFFERSON, JEFFERSON WAS
05:30:34PM VERY COMPETITIVE.
05:30:35PM AND IT WASN'T ME.
05:30:38PM I DIDN'T PLAY NO SPORTS AT JEFFERSON, BUT I AM TELLING YOU,
05:30:42PM I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.
05:30:45PM AND EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE STUFF.
05:30:48PM AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE COMING OUT ON '66 AND
05:30:53PM '67.
05:30:53PM THE OLD JEFFERSON.
05:30:57PM SAYS IT NO GOOD FOR US AND YET IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
05:31:01PM AND WE HAD TO LEAVE THE SCHOOL.
05:31:03PM NOT I, BUT THE PEOPLE LEFT OF ME TO GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL.
05:31:08PM BUT I CAN REMEMBER THE YELLOW JACKETS SOMEWHERE IN THE
05:31:12PM MID-80s.
05:31:12PM THEY PLAY WELL FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
05:31:16PM AND ONE KID THAT I SAW PLAY.
05:31:18PM AND I THINK HE WAS DRAFTED FIRST OR SECOND BY THE DODGERS.
05:31:23PM I NEVER FORGET HIS NAME.
05:31:25PM HIS NAME WAS KIKI JONES.
05:31:28PM ALL I SAW WAS BLUR WHEN HE THREW THE BALL.
05:31:32PM I DIDN'T SEE THE BALL.
05:31:33PM A GREAT GAME AND BIG YOUNG MAN.
05:31:38PM HE WAS DRAFTED.
05:31:39PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE HE DID.
05:31:41PM I DIDN'T FOLLOW HIM.
05:31:42PM THEY WERE COMPETITIVE IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID.
05:31:45PM SO WE WILL GET HIM BACK TO DO SOMETHING AT THAT PLACE.
05:31:49PM THAT IS HERITAGE.
05:31:50PM LIKE GOING BACK.
05:31:52PM ANNUAL OF US WHO MADE CASCADIAN.
05:31:56PM CASCADIAN PARK REDONE AGAIN.
05:31:58PM BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN PEOPLE GET OUR AGE, NOT
05:32:04PM MY AGE, BUT AGE.
05:32:08PM DON'T HAVE TOO MANY KIDS.
05:32:09PM YOU NEED A POPULATION REINVESTED.
05:32:11PM THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE LITTLE LEAGUE WITH WEST TAMPA GO DOWN.
05:32:15PM NOT THAT IT WENT DOWN.
05:32:16PM CHILDBEARING PEOPLE ARE NOT THERE BUT NOW THEY ARE COMING IN
05:32:22PM AND YOU WILL SEE THAT PARK TO WHAT IT IS IN THE NEXT THREE
05:32:28PM OR FOUR YEARS.
05:32:29PM IT TAKES ALONG TIME PLANTING AN ACORN AND WATCHING A TREE
05:32:34PM GROW.
05:32:34PM AND YOU JUST DON'T GET THOSE THINGS OVERNIGHT.
05:32:37PM YOU CAN'T REJUVENATE A PARK OVERNIGHT AND I AM TALKING OF
05:32:41PM THE WEST TAMPA EXPERIENCE PAUSE TAKES YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE
05:32:44PM KIDS TO STAY THERE AND BE PART OF THE ACTION.
05:32:47PM SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I TELL YOU WHAT, ANY KID, MALE OR
05:32:51PM FEMALE, THAT EVER STAYED IN ONE PARK NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO
05:32:56PM IN LIFE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE PARK WHERE THEY PLAYED AT.
05:32:59PM THANK YOU.
05:33:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CORPORAL.
05:33:02PM >>COURTNEY ORR: I JUST WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:33:06PM I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION, YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THE HISTORY,
05:33:11PM ESPECIALLY THIS LATE IN THE DAY.
05:33:13PM I RAN FOR OFFICE FOR TWO REASONS, ONE TO FIX THE MISTAKES OF
05:33:17PM THE PAST AND THE OTHER TO CREATE A BETTER VISION FOR OUR
05:33:19PM CITY.
05:33:20PM I AM 100% BEHIND YOU.
05:33:21PM IF YOU FIND THINGS -- BECAUSE OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE IN
05:33:26PM NETWORK.
05:33:26PM YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION THAT -- THAT ALL
05:33:32PM OF US DON'T HAVE AND NOT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HAS AND
05:33:37PM LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING AND HEARING MORE OF THAT AND
05:33:39PM SUPPORTING YOU 100% IN TRYING TO WRITE SOME OF THE WRONGS.
05:33:45PM THANK YOU.
05:33:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO AHEAD.
05:33:50PM I WILL BRING UP SOMETHING ON NEW BUSINESS.
05:33:52PM I WILL WAIT FOR NEW BUSINESS TO SAVE THE BEST PART.
05:33:54PM SO GO AHEAD.
05:33:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:33:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO SHARE THE SENTIMENTS WHICH IS I
05:34:00PM REMEMBER WHEN ROBIN BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP WITH THE RACIAL
05:34:06PM RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
05:34:08PM AND THAT IS THE SPIRIT BEHIND IT.
05:34:09PM GOOD AMERICANS AND DUDE TAMPANOS TO BUILD BRIDGES AND MAKE
05:34:17PM THINGS RIGHT ON THIS ISSUE.
05:34:19PM THESE ARE THE KIND OF ISSUES THAT THAT COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED
05:34:23PM TO LOOK INTO AND HELP US LISTEN AND HELP US JUST DO BETTER
05:34:28PM ON ISSUES OF JUSTICE AND EQUITY THAT CAUSE ME TO RUN FOR
05:34:31PM OFFICE AND WHO ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
05:34:35PM I AGREE WITH THOSE SENTIMENT THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID OF
05:34:39PM LISTENING TO YOU AND DOING EVERYBODY WE CAN TO SUPPORT YOU
05:34:43PM ON THIS ISSUE.
05:34:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:34:45PM THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
05:34:46PM GEL GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
05:34:48PM THE BEST PART.
05:34:49PM I WILL START OFF CONGRATULATING MR. SHELBY ON 20 YEARS OF
05:34:53PM SERVICE TO THE CITY.
05:34:53PM [APPLAUSE]
05:34:55PM APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.
05:34:59PM WHAT WAS YOUR EXACT DATE AGAIN?
05:35:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: STILL HAVE THE FIRST PAYCHECK?
05:35:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ACTUALLY -- THIS IS NOT MY ORIGINAL ID.
05:35:10PM I BELIEVE IT WAS JUNE 15, 004.
05:35:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
05:35:14PM AND -- I WOULD LIKE TO WISH MARY BRIAN A VERY HAPPY EARLY
05:35:19PM BIRTHDAY.
05:35:19PM HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARY BRYANT.
05:35:23PM I KNOW YOU ARE LISTENING.
05:35:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 27 YEARS OLD.
05:35:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE NEW
05:35:28PM BUSINESS?
05:35:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON ITEM 72.
05:35:31PM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE POSSIBLY AN ACCOUNT ON WHERE WE ARE
05:35:37PM GOING AND WHAT CALENDAR.
05:35:38PM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF, THE BOARD OF
05:35:42PM REALTORS GET TOGETHER ON A WORKSHOP TOP WORK THESE THINGS
05:35:46PM OUT SO WE CAN NOT POINT FINGERS OR THE PERSON WHOEVER DID
05:35:49PM THE WRONG, TO MAKE THAT PERSON RESPONSIBLE.
05:35:52PM I AM NOT HERE TO -- IT IS JUST GOING TO GO OFF WHEREVER THIS
05:35:56PM IS GOING TO MUSHROOM.
05:35:57PM NOT THE FIRST CASE I HAVE TO TALK TO.
05:36:00PM I HAVE TWO OR THREE.
05:36:02PM AND THAT WILL GET MUCH BIGGER WHEN WE GROW.
05:36:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A FORMAL MOTION.
05:36:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
05:36:07PM GIVE ME ONE DAY ON THE CALENDAR.
05:36:10PM I DON'T CARE WHAT DAY IT IS.
05:36:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEM OF SOMEONE
05:36:15PM DOING ILLEGAL WORK.
05:36:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOEVER INHERITS THIS, AND BUYS THE
05:36:19PM THING.
05:36:19PM A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.
05:36:21PM IN MY OPINION, THEY HAVE DONE MOST OF IT.
05:36:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE OCCASION.
05:36:28PM MAY I MAKE SUGGESTION?
05:36:30PM PERHAPS SEPTEMBER 19.
05:36:32PM DO IT AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
05:36:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A FINE GATE DAYTONA FOR ME SHELBY SDHOELZ
05:36:37PM IT AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT AND ASSESS WHERE YOU WANT TO
05:36:40PM TAKE IT THERE.
05:36:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: INVITE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MAYOR, CHIEF
05:36:44PM OF STAFF, US AND SOMEBODY FROM THE BOARD OF REALTORS COME
05:36:47PM TOGETHER AND TRY TO WORK THIS THINGS UP.
05:36:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WANT A WORKSHOP.
05:36:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO SEPTEMBER 26.
05:36:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE FOR ME 250.
05:36:58PM A MOTION AND A SECOND.
05:36:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
05:37:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OPPOSED?
05:37:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT A WRITTEN REPORT BUT A WORKSHOP.
05:37:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 26 WORKSHOP.
05:37:09PM BEFORE MOTIONS KEEP GETTING MADE, AUGUST 2, 2024 IS VERY,
05:37:14PM VERY FULL.
05:37:15PM IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR THAT DAY, I SUGGEST ANOTHER
05:37:18PM DATE.
05:37:18PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:37:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO I DON'T HAVE ANY.
05:37:21PM I DIDN'T SAY THIS PUBLICLY WHEN THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD
05:37:25PM WAS HERE BUT JOE WHO MANY OF YOU KNOW SERVED TO THEREIN FOR
05:37:28PM SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS IS LEAVING.
05:37:31PM NOTHING JUST TIME CONSTRAINTS AND FAMILY AND ALL THAT GOOD
05:37:34PM STUFF.
05:37:34PM I WANTED TO THANK HIM -- YOU KNOW WHAT, ACTUALLY, I WILL.
05:37:38PM I WILL DO -- PROBABLY DO AN OFF-PREMISE BUT TAMPA
05:37:43PM COMMENDATION.
05:37:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
05:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND A
05:37:48PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:37:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY LIKELY.
05:37:51PM AND WE ARE GETTING ANOTHER JOE ON THAT BOARD AND MANY OF YOU
05:37:56PM ARE FRIENDS WITH JOE GRECO.
05:37:58PM I AM APPOINTING MY MAIN MAN, MICE FRIEND JOE GRECO TO THE
05:38:05PM CITIZENS BOARD.
05:38:06PM I LOVE JOE.
05:38:07PM HE IS --
05:38:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT BY MOTION NOW.
05:38:11PM SEE IF I HAVE TO FORMALIZE -- YOUR INTENT, BY THE WAY,
05:38:14PM COUNCILMAN.
05:38:15PM I HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. GRECO.
05:38:18PM IF YOU AS A MOTION WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AND FIVE TO BRING
05:38:21PM SOMETHING IN WRITING, I WILL.
05:38:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I MAKE THAT NOW?
05:38:25PM IF I MAY, JOE GRECO TO BE APPOINTED TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY
05:38:29PM BOARD OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
05:38:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
05:38:33PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:38:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND YOU RETURN A RESOLUTION.
05:38:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL DO IT.
05:38:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: QUICK QUESTION.
05:38:41PM DOESN'T VERY TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION GO THROUGH THE
05:38:44PM APPROVAL PROCESS.
05:38:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DIRECTLY APPOINT.
05:38:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UH-O.
05:38:50PM I STAND CORRECTED.
05:38:52PM THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
05:38:53PM WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WITHHOLD THAT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
05:38:58PM >>LUIS VIERA: SHOULD I RESCIND THAT MOTION?
05:39:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, PLEASE.
05:39:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: I RESCIND THAT MOTION.
05:39:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RESCIND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:39:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE MAKING IT ANYWAY.
05:39:11PM THAT'S IT .
05:39:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, ONE MORE THING.
05:39:13PM WHILE ON THE SUBJECT OF NEW BUSINESS.
05:39:15PM A GOOD TIME TO REMIND YOU OF YOUR NEW RULE, RULE 7B.
05:39:19PM COUNCILMEMBERS -- COUNCILMEMBERS SHOULD CLEAR AN AVAILABLE
05:39:23PM DATE ON THE CALENDAR BEFORE MAKING A MOTION FOR AN ITEM TO
05:39:27PM BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
05:39:29PM EACH DISTRICT OFFICE IS RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONFIRMING
05:39:33PM AVAILABILITY OF SPACE ON THE CALENDAR BEFORE A MOTION IS
05:39:37PM MADE.
05:39:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
05:39:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:39:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT.
05:39:44PM I WILL NEED A LITTLE GRACE FOR NEW RULES.
05:39:47PM EVEN FOR NEW RULES, THE TARDY POLICY, GIVE THEM TIME TO GET
05:39:53PM USED TO THE TARDY POLICY.
05:39:55PM WE WILL GET THERE AND I THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
05:39:58PM A COUPLE OF THINGS.
05:39:59PM A HOT WEEK FOR ME, SO I GOT TO KEEP IT GOING PLEASE BEAR
05:40:05PM WITH ME.
05:40:05PM FIRST ONE IS THE YELLOW JACKETS.
05:40:08PM SINCE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE
05:40:14PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURAL ARTS CENTER ON
05:40:18PM A DIFFERENT SITE, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO
05:40:21PM REPORT ON WHAT AMENDMENTS CAN BE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY
05:40:24PM BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR ROME YARD TO MAKER IS IRS
05:40:27PM CONSIDERATION FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS ON THAT PROPERTY.
05:40:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
05:40:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND A
05:40:37PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:40:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EVERYTHING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 5 BECAUSE
05:40:42PM THAT IS AVAILABLE.
05:40:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND YOU CHECKED.
05:40:44PM MOTION AND A SECOND.
05:40:45PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:40:46PM THAT IS SEPTEMBER 5.
05:40:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND ONE.
05:40:52PM DARLENE NEEDS TO GO TO THE PODIUM FOR A LITTLE VISUAL ON
05:40:58PM THIS.
05:40:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU NEED YOEFRT HEAD.
05:41:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
05:41:00PM WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON JULIAN B. LANE.
05:41:04PM IT IS TREATED LIKE COUNTRY CLUB.
05:41:06PM THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THIS PLACE.
05:41:10PM AND OUR CURRENT POLICY IN TERMITES OF WHO GETS TO CATER
05:41:14PM THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I AM CONSTANTLY WORKING ON AND DOING
05:41:20PM HOMEWORK ON.
05:41:21PM HERE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS -- THAT HAPPENS.
05:41:24PM IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PARTICULARLY CATER -- AND WILL HAVE TO
05:41:28PM BE A PART OF LISTED ON OUR LIST.
05:41:31PM AND SO, I WANT TO YOU DROP DOWN -- DROP DOWN THE PICTURES
05:41:35PM FIRST.
05:41:35PM YEAH, THAT IS FIRST.
05:41:37PM SO THEY SAY THAT THIS -- THIS SPACE.
05:41:42PM WE HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT APPROVED CATERERS.
05:41:45PM AN EVENT BY CREATIVE LOAFING THAT IS CALLED EVERY YEAR
05:41:48PM CALLED "BRUNCHED."
05:41:50PM AND HAPPENS A JULIAN B. LANE PARK.
05:41:53PM THE PART THAT IS IMPORTANT, IT SAYS "ALL YOU CAN EAT."
05:41:57PM THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT THIS EVENT HAPPENS AT
05:42:02PM JULIAN B. LANE PARK.
05:42:02PM DARLENE, I WANT TO YOU DROP DOWN THE OTHER ONE.
05:42:06PM HERE ARE THE FOOD VENDORS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT
05:42:10PM THAT ARE NOT ON OUR CATERING LIST.
05:42:12PM I WANT YOU -- THAT HAS TO SIT THERE FOR A WHILE AND WE NEED
05:42:20PM TO LOOK AT THIS.
05:42:21PM THESE ARE THE CATERERS.
05:42:22PM NONE OF THEM ARE APPROVED AND DID NOT GO THROUGH AN
05:42:27PM APPLICATION PROCESS, BUT SOMEHOW, THEY GET TO BRING FOOD IN
05:42:31PM THE RIVER CENTER.
05:42:32PM NOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, I WANT TO
05:42:36PM USE SUCH AND SUCH PERSON.
05:42:38PM I HAVE A PERSON I WANT TO USE FOR THE RIVER CENTER AND
05:42:41PM CONSTANTLY TOLD BY OUR STAFF, NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ON
05:42:44PM THE CATERING LIST.
05:42:45PM THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT LISTED.
05:42:47PM I ASKED FOR ALL THE DOCUMENTATION.
05:42:49PM AND NOWHERE ANYWHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE LISTED TO DO BUSINESS
05:42:53PM IN THE RIVER CENTER.
05:42:57PM SO I WOULD LIKE FOR ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT PUBLICLY
05:43:02PM BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE DO IT PUBLICLY.
05:43:05PM AND EVERY ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR EVENT IN PARTICULAR THAT
05:43:11PM HAPPENS YEAR AFTER YEAR AT JULIAN B. LANE.
05:43:14PM I WANT FOR THE STAFF TO REPORT WHY IT HAPPENS, IS IT
05:43:20PM CONTRACTUALLY BOUND, WHEN IT OCCURS, HOW THEY GET APPROVED
05:43:24PM AND IF THEY ARE CERTIFIED.
05:43:26PM IF THEY ARE CERTIFIED, PROVIDE ALL THE APPLICATIONS TO US,
05:43:29PM ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS.
05:43:30PM AND THIS REPORT SHOULD COME BACK PUBLICLY ON SEPTEMBER 5.
05:43:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:43:37PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:43:39PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:43:40PM OPPOSED?
05:43:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, TWO OUT OF THREE.
05:43:44PM I HAVE ONE MORE.
05:43:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
05:43:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY STOMACH HURT ON THIS ONE.
05:43:48PM OH, MY GOD.
05:43:50PM I KNOW YOU PROBABLY -- IF YOU WERE A PAPER READER "TAMPA BAY
05:43:55PM TIMES" AN NATURAL CAME OUT.
05:43:57PM AND I AM TELLING YOU, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE BRING ME THINGS OR
05:44:05PM PARTICULARLY THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH -- WITH COLLEGE HILL
05:44:10PM CEMETERY, WHAT WAS SAID TO ME.
05:44:12PM I WATCH YOU ON COLONEL AND I BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING TO DO THE
05:44:16PM RIGHT THING AND SO I DECIDED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO
05:44:21PM THE TAMPA BAY TIMES BECAUSE I RAN INTO THE REPORTER
05:44:26PM IRONICALLY.
05:44:27PM I JUST HAVE BEEN SO BUSY AND I WENT ON AND GAVE HIM
05:44:30PM SOMETHING THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE
05:44:34PM READ IT.
05:44:34PM SO WHAT -- THIS IS BIGGER THAN US.
05:44:36PM AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO WRITE A LETTER TO -- FROM
05:44:42PM CITY COUNCIL TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA OFFICE.
05:44:45PM I AM NOT SURE WHICH OFFICE IT IS THAT CAN POSSIBLY OPEN UP
05:44:49PM AN INVESTIGATION REGARDING COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY.
05:44:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:44:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
05:44:57PM LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE.
05:44:58PM I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY SO MANY MEDIA PEOPLE THAT I DON'T
05:45:02PM WANT TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES GIVING MY OPINION AND COMMENTS AND
05:45:06PM WHAT HAVE YOU.
05:45:06PM BECAUSE THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER.
05:45:08PM CEMETERIES HAVE BEEN COMING -- THE CEMETERY ISSUE IS PUBLIC.
05:45:13PM OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE VERY UPSET OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
05:45:18PM SO I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT CAN'T BE IN OUR HANDS.
05:45:22PM WE ARE TOO CLOSE TO IT.
05:45:23PM WE ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND A STATE ISSUE TO AT LEAST
05:45:30PM OPEN UP AN INVESTIGATION.
05:45:31PM IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE
05:45:35PM REACHED OUT AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THEM AS WELL.
05:45:38PM I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT REGARDING COLLEGE
05:45:43PM HILL CEMETERY AND THE ITALIAN CLUB, THERE ARE IS A LITTLE
05:45:47PM BIT BIGGER THAN US AND I AM HOPE HAPPENING THIS I AM NOT
05:45:51PM SURE IF THE LETTER WILL COME FROM YOU OR IF IT SHOULD COME
05:45:54PM FROM ME AND IF YOU WANT FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER
05:45:59PM AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO SO.
05:46:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT COME FROM CITY COUNCIL AS A BODY?
05:46:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WOULD LIKE TO COME FROM CITY COUNCIL AS
05:46:09PM BODY.
05:46:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE MOTION.
05:46:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IF YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF.
05:46:13PM I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON --
05:46:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT.
05:46:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU TONIGHT HAVE THE CONFLICT.
05:46:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WAS ERRONEOUS OF THE STORY THAT
05:46:22PM SOMEBODY PITCHED.
05:46:23PM I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT I READ IN THE MEDIA,
05:46:26PM IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY WILL BE CULPABLE ON THIS IF IT WAS
05:46:30PM SOMETHING.
05:46:30PM THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
05:46:31PM THE CITY WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF THIS AND THE CITY WILL BE
05:46:34PM LIABLE.
05:46:35PM SO, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT, BUT
05:46:40PM WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS ASK THE STATE FOR HELP IN
05:46:44PM INVESTIGATING THIS.
05:46:45PM BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT IF THERE WAS ANY WRONGDOING ON THE
05:46:49PM PART OF STATE.
05:46:50PM AGAIN, I AM ONLY GOING FOR STORIES IN THE MEDIA.
05:46:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK THEY ARE ALL DOING -- OKAY.
05:46:55PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THIS HAPPENED -- WHEN
05:47:01PM YOU LOOK AT THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THIS IS -- I
05:47:04PM CAN KEEP IT REAL WITH YOU ALL.
05:47:05PM JUST THE STRAIGHT-UP DISRESPECT OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
05:47:09PM COMMUNITY AND POSSIBLY THE LATINO COMMUNITY TOO BLATANT AT
05:47:16PM THIS TIME.
05:47:16PM COME THING OUT OF THE '70s.
05:47:20PM IT WAS VERY EASY TO DISREGARD EVEN THE DEAD IF THE LIVING IS
05:47:25PM BEING DISRESPECTED.
05:47:26PM SO THE PART OF THE TEXT MESS AGE THAT GOT TO ME WAS WHEN HE
05:47:31PM SAID TOMBSTONES WERE FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
05:47:35PM THAT WAS THE MOST EGREGIOUS PART OF IT.
05:47:38PM WHETHER TRUE OR NOT, I AM NOT HERE TO SAY THAT.
05:47:44PM BECAUSE I REDACTED THE NAMES INI THINK IT IS ALLEY.
05:47:47PM NOT JUST THE CITY.
05:47:48PM THEY ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE LIVING THAT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO
05:47:51PM THIS A REPORT THAT THE ITALIAN CLUB HAS ACTUALLY HAS AND
05:47:59PM THEY WON'T RELEASE IT.
05:48:00PM WE COMPELLED THEM TO.
05:48:02PM THE PUBLIC HAS SAID IT.
05:48:04PM I SAID IT IN MY COMMENTS TO A REPORTER ALREADY, BUT WE CAN'T
05:48:07PM MAKE THEM DO IT.
05:48:08PM BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOW AT LEAST THE STATE BEGINNING THE
05:48:17PM INVESTIGATION, YOU KNOW, REMOVES US FROM IT.
05:48:20PM BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT.
05:48:21PM IT IS NOT JUST -- IT IS NOT JUST CITY.
05:48:24PM ALSO PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE COVERING THIS UP
05:48:28PM AS WELL.
05:48:28PM MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU TELLING MR. CARLSON NOT TO SAY ANYTHING?
05:48:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, FORGIVE ME, BUT THERE IS A RULE ABOUT
05:48:40PM BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR WHEN YOU WANT THE FLOOR.
05:48:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING THAT ALL DAY,
05:48:47PM SO, THANK YOU.
05:48:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE
05:48:50PM RECOGNIZED.
05:48:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED.
05:48:53PM OTHER THING HERE -- AGAIN, I AM GOING FOR THE STORIES IN THE
05:48:56PM PREVIOUS CASES THAT WE LOOKED AT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER
05:48:59PM CEMETERIES OR PARTS OF CEMETERIES THAT WERE CONVEYED BY THE
05:49:02PM CITY TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
05:49:06PM AND -- AND THE -- YOU KNOW, SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS HAVE GONE
05:49:10PM ON.
05:49:11PM AND I THINK WHAT WE -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE WERE
05:49:14PM RESOLVED.
05:49:15PM ONE OF THEM WAS A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER -- AND I WON'T
05:49:19PM MENTION THE NAME THAT HAS A PRETTY BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY AND
05:49:24PM WANTS -- THIS IS A PRIVATE OWNER THAT SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY
05:49:28PM ON PROPERTY TRYING TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL FACILITY.
05:49:30PM SO IF THE CITY IN THE PAST ON PURPOSE OR ACCIDENTALLY
05:49:34PM CONVEYED PROPERTY LIKE THAT.
05:49:35PM AND NOW IT IS IN THE HANDS OF -- OF PRIVATE OWNERS, THERE
05:49:39PM HAVE GOT TO BE SOME SOLUTION WHAT TO DO.
05:49:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS TRUE -- YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS
05:49:44PM TRUE.
05:49:45PM THIS IS LIKE A DIALOGUE.
05:49:46PM NOT NECESSARILY -- BUT IF YOU SAW BODIES COMING OUT OF THE
05:49:51PM GROUND AND TOMBSTONES, THAT THE POINT WHERE EVEN THOUGH IT
05:49:55PM WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO STOP
05:49:59PM THE TOW TRUCKS.
05:50:00PM SO, YOU KNOW, THAT OBLIGATION OF RESPONSIBILITY GOES JUST --
05:50:03PM YOU KNOW, IT CAN GO IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
05:50:06PM WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, YOU KNOW, FOR -- WE CAN'T JUST LET THE
05:50:10PM NEWSPAPER REPORT BE THE REPORT.
05:50:14PM THIS IS JUST LIKE, Y'ALL, PRESENTING RESOLUTION 568, YOU
05:50:20PM KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
05:50:21PM THESE ARE ONE OF THE HARD THINGS THAT WE AT LEAST GOT TO PUT
05:50:24PM ON THE TABLE.
05:50:25PM I CANNOT GO THROUGH MY FOUR IN-YEAR TERM AND WATCH THESE
05:50:28PM PEOPLE COME IN FRONT OF ME EVERY DAY TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE
05:50:31PM HILL CEMETERY AND WE JUST STAY SILENT.
05:50:34PM I CAN'T DO IT.
05:50:35PM NOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS.
05:50:39PM SO I AM TRYING TO AT LEAST INVOLVE THE STATE OR AT LEAST
05:50:43PM OPENING IT UP WITH THE HELP OF MAYBE OUR REPRESENTATIVE
05:50:46PM FRANCIS DRISCOL WHO IS ALREADY INVOLVED IN CEMETERY MATTERS.
05:50:50PM AND JUST TAKING THAT OUT OF OUR HANDS.
05:50:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:50:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: A LETTER OF SUPPORT -- A LETTER REQUEST
05:50:58PM TO STATE REPRESENTATIVE FRANCIS DRISCOL TO SEE WHAT CAN
05:51:03PM POSSIBLY BE DONE TO DIVE INTO THIS ISSUE.
05:51:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:51:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
05:51:08PM I AM GLAD TO SECOND THIS NO MATTER WHAT.
05:51:11PM YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THIS MOVES FORWARD THIS ISSUE.
05:51:14PM AND THING IS AN ISSUE OF -- OF CITY IN A GREAT, GREAT, GREAT
05:51:18PM PUBLIC IMPORTANCE I AM GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS FROM
05:51:29PM REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOL OR THE COMMUNITY.
05:51:31PM WHOEVER IS CULPABLE, 50/50 TO THE EXTENT, I DON'T CARE.
05:51:37PM I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED SO WE CAN HAVE SOME -- HOW
05:51:41PM SHOULD WE SAY IT, SOME RESOLUTION ON THIS ISSUE, AND THAT'S
05:51:44PM IT.
05:51:44PM ISSUE THAT IS VERY, VERY PAINFUL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE
05:51:48PM HAVE TO LISTEN TO.
05:51:50PM I THINK OF THE LATE ROBERT JOHNSON IN 1934 HERE IN THE CITY
05:51:54PM OF TAMPA WAS LYNCHED ON ACCOUNT OF BEING A BLACK MAN AND HE
05:51:58PM IS BURIED RIGHT NOW AT A PAUPER'S CEMETERY.
05:52:01PM WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HE LIES.
05:52:03PM HE WAS DISRESPECTED IN LIFE AND LYNCHED IN LIFE.
05:52:05PM AND DISRESPECTED IN DEATH.
05:52:07PM AND THAT IS TRUE FOR APPARENTLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE
05:52:11PM CEMETERIES LIKE THIS.
05:52:12PM SO ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS, WHAT HAPPENED SOMEBODY IN I AM
05:52:16PM CERTAINLY NOT POINTING FINGERS -- ALL I EVER SAID WAS, LOOK,
05:52:20PM LET THE TRUTH COME OUT.
05:52:22PM LET THE TRUTH COME TO OUT.
05:52:23PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PUTS -- THAT IS WHAT PUBLIC OFFICE IS
05:52:26PM FOR TO USE YOUR OFFICE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
05:52:29PM IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE TO STAY
05:52:33PM OUT OF THE KITCHEN AS HARRY TRUMAN SAYS.
05:52:36PM THIS PUTS US ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE AND I WOULD
05:52:40PM SUGGEST THAT YOU, AGAIN, DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY, BUT WRITE IT
05:52:44PM TO WHOMEVER IT MAY BE TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED NOT JUST
05:52:47PM HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER DRISCOL WHO I LOVE TO DEATH AN ONE OF
05:52:52PM MY FAVORITE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE UNITED STATES OF
05:52:54PM AMERICA AND A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE, BUT TO EVERYBODY, TO THE
05:52:57PM EXTENT WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE.
05:52:59PM I DON'T WANT TO WRITE --
05:53:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:53:02PM I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S OFFICE TO
05:53:05PM BE ABLE TO PREPARE A COURSE OF ACTION AND THEN WE CAN BRING
05:53:09PM IN YOUR OFFICE WHEN SOMETHING IS READY TO BE GIVEN TO PUT ON
05:53:13PM STATIONARY PERHAPS AND BROUGHT TO COUNCIL IF YOU WISH OR
05:53:18PM DEPENDS --
05:53:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
05:53:20PM WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH A MOTION.
05:53:22PM WE CAN TAKE THAT THANK BACK AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE
05:53:25PM ARTICLE WHICH I DO APPRECIATE.
05:53:26PM I SAID A LOT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM.
05:53:28PM BUT, YOU KNOW, I AM ALWAYS ABOUT FORGIVENESS.
05:53:33PM IT JUST FREES YOU UP FOR SO MUCH.
05:53:36PM ESPECIALLY AS A -- YOU KNOW, AS A BLACK WOMAN AND REALLY
05:53:40PM LEARNING HISTORY, THE GOOD STUFF, AND THE HARD STUFF, AND
05:53:44PM THE TERRIBLE STUFF, YOU KNOW, I AM CONSTANTLY TURNING OVER
05:53:47PM FORGIVENESS.
05:53:48PM I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
05:53:50PM I WANT BOTH SIDES TO KNOW THAT THAT IT IS -- WHATEVER IT IS,
05:53:54PM THE TOUGH PART OF IT, IT IS OUR JOB TO FORGIVE SO WE CAN
05:53:58PM HEAL.
05:53:58PM AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
05:54:02PM SO I WILL -- THAT ONE IS VERY -- THERE IS NO MOTION, CHAIR.
05:54:07PM I WILL WORK WITH MY CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND BRING BACK
05:54:13PM SOMETHING JUST -- JUST TO FINE TUNE IT SO WE CAN GET IT
05:54:17PM RIGHT THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT.
05:54:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
05:54:22PM IF YOU WERE DONE?
05:54:24PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:54:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM SORRY.
05:54:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT.
05:54:29PM WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING IT.
05:54:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM DONE.
05:54:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE A REQUEST.
05:54:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING.
05:54:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO HAVE A REQUEST THOUGH.
05:54:37PM I THOUGHT THE WAY YOU FRAMED THAT MOTION AND IT WAS SECONDED
05:54:41PM AND -- THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
05:54:43PM YOU CAN WITHDRAW IT, BUT I THINK IF YOU AMENDED IT THE WAY
05:54:47PM YOU SAID TO WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO BRING
05:54:50PM SOMETHING TO COUNCIL.
05:54:51PM IT IS IN THE RECORD AND WILL BE IN THE ACTION SUMMARY AND
05:54:54PM WILL BE MEMORIALIZED THAT YOU TOOK THIS ACTION TODAY.
05:54:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I NEED THE ADVICE.
05:54:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
05:55:00PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:55:01PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:55:02PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
05:55:03PM ANY NEW BUSINESS?
05:55:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
05:55:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:55:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
05:55:11PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DAME FROM MISS ZELMAN WITH REGARDS TO
05:55:15PM SOME OF THE LIVE LOCAL THINGS.
05:55:17PM I REQUEST THAT LEGAL STAFF AND CITY ADMINISTRATION PROVIDE A
05:55:21PM WRITTEN REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL ON WHETHER THE CITY CAN AND
05:55:24PM SHOULD DO WHAT PASCO COUNTY DID AND OPT OUT OF THE PROPERTY
05:55:29PM TAX EXEMPTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSE IN THE 80% TO 120% RANGE
05:55:37PM OF AMI.
05:55:38PM I AM REQUESTING THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORT COME BACK AUGUST 1.
05:55:41PM IT IS NOT A -- IT IS A -- IT IS SIMPLY A WRITTEN REPORT AND
05:55:46PM FROM THE WRITTEN REPORT WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO TALK
05:55:49PM ABOUT.
05:55:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:55:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
05:55:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:55:55PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:55:56PM OPPOSE?
05:55:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, ON THE AGENDA ON
05:56:00PM AUGUST 1, THE ITALIAN CLUB IS SLATED TO COME AND TALK ABOUT
05:56:04PM THE CEMETERY.
05:56:05PM SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT.
05:56:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT DAY ARE THEY COMING?
05:56:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AUGUST 1.
05:56:12PM JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
05:56:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:56:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, TWO, PLEASE.
05:56:17PM STEVE MICHELINI WAS SPEAKING EARLIER ABOUT A SECURITY PLAN
05:56:23PM FOR YBOR.
05:56:24PM AND I FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM AND HAD A DISCUSSION.
05:56:26PM THE IDEA IS THAT IF -- TO -- TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CRA MONEY
05:56:33PM IN YBOR FOR -- FOR SECURITY.
05:56:35PM WE NEED TO HAVE A SECURITY PLAN.
05:56:37PM AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO
05:56:40PM REPORT IN PERSON ON SEPTEMBER 5 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF
05:56:45PM CREATING A SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN FOR YBOR CITY THAT WILL
05:56:49PM COMPLY WITH CRA FUNDING RULES.
05:56:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM CARLSON.
05:56:55PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:56:56PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
05:56:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND ONE.
05:57:00PM A LOT OF DEPARTURES IN THE CITY AND GETTING CALLS FROM
05:57:04PM ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT ABOUT MORALE AND HOW PEOPLE FEEL.
05:57:08PM THAT A SEPARATE ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF
05:57:12PM EMPLOYEES ASK ME OR SUGGEST A POSITIVE IDEA THAT COULD BE
05:57:18PM HELPFUL.
05:57:19PM YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN SOME DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF
05:57:23PM PEOPLE RETIRING.
05:57:23PM SO WE HAVE A VOID OF LEADERSHIP.
05:57:25PM SO WHAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED TO ME IS THAT WE ASK THE
05:57:29PM ADMINISTRATION ABOUT -- ABOUT LEADERSHIP TRAINING PROGRAMS
05:57:33PM TO DEVELOP INTERNAL LEADERS TO -- SO THEY CAN TAKE OVER AND
05:57:38PM LEAD IN PROGRAMS.
05:57:38PM I UNDERSTAND BEFORE ANDREA COMES IN, THAT IS AN
05:57:41PM ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION, BUT I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE THE STAFF
05:57:45PM TO -- TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY.
05:57:47PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO REPORT
05:57:52PM SEPTEMBER 5 AS A POSSIBILITY TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP TRAINING
05:57:56PM FOR MID- TO SENIOR LEVEL EMPLOYEES TO DEVELOP INTERNAL
05:57:59PM LEADERS.
05:58:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:58:02PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:58:03PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:58:04PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
05:58:05PM NO?
05:58:06PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
05:58:06PM YOU SAID YOU HAVE SOMETHING.
05:58:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I NEGLECTED.
05:58:09PM IT WAS FROM PARKLAND ESTATES.
05:58:12PM WHEN THEY HAD THAT TORRENTIAL RAIN THIS PAST WEEK, I
05:58:15PM HAPPENED TO -- I WENT OVER AND LOOKED AT PARKLAND ESTATES.
05:58:18PM THE FLOODING WAS HORRIFIC.
05:58:20PM I AM IN MY CAR AND UP ALMOST GOT SWAMPED.
05:58:23PM SEVERAL CARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SWAMPED.
05:58:25PM WATER -- IT WAS PROBABLY THREE FEET DEEP ON THE STREETS AND
05:58:31PM -- I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE HOUSE BUS IT WAS BAD.
05:58:34PM YOU COULD NOT GO -- YOU COULD NOT ACCESS MAJOR PARTS OF THAT
05:58:38PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:58:38PM COMPLETELY INACCESSIBLE.
05:58:39PM WATER WAS FLOWING DOWN AND REPRESENTING THE MITIGATION
05:58:45PM ISSUES.
05:58:46PM ISSUE THERE IS ARE ABSOLUTELY REAL.
05:58:48PM I KNOW WE -- THERE HAS OPINION A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND I
05:58:51PM TALKED TO VIK OF THIS, THE IDEA OF GOING THROUGH BRISTOL --
05:58:55PM I WANT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO LISTEN THAT IT IS OFF THE
05:58:58PM TABLE.
05:58:58PM A PARK-LIKE STREET.
05:58:59PM NO WAY IN THE WORLD THEY NEED TO PURSUE, YOU KNOW, THE
05:59:04PM SWANN, HOWARD TO OPTION, OTHER OPTION.
05:59:06PM SO THE ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED.
05:59:09PM WHAT THEY CAME FORWARD BEFORE WAS A NONSTARTER.
05:59:12PM THEY NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
05:59:14PM AND PUT THIS -- THE NOTION THAT THEY WILL GO ON BRISTOL TO
05:59:19PM BED.
05:59:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM ASKING.
05:59:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY ELIMINATE
05:59:28PM THE IDEA OF USING BRISTOL AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE -- FOR
05:59:32PM THESE.
05:59:33PM AND BYPASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WORK TO RESOLVE THE
05:59:38PM FLOODING ISSUE.
05:59:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND WITH AN AMENDMENT.
05:59:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MA'AM.
05:59:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AS COUNCIL WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR A PLAN OR
05:59:45PM FUNDING TO GO BEHIND IT THAT PUTS IT ON BRISTOL.
05:59:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CONCUR.
05:59:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
5:59:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHEN I WENT ON THE TOUR AND FOLLOWED UP --
5:59:53PM HURTAK USUALLY TELLS ME TO DO THAT.
5:59:56PM THEY SAID THEY DEFINITELY WEREN'T GOING TO PUT IT ON
5:59:58PM BRISTOL.
5:59:59PM THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU?
6:00:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU READ THE E-MAIL?
6:00:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DIDN'T READ IT.